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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 11, 2021 21:58:52 GMT
I certainly am moaning and I think with justification. Anyone with any experience watching football could see Tisdale was a hopeless appointment. I’m not moaning after the event I said it prior to the appointment. Starnes has just chucked away a very large part of our playing budget sacking Garner and appointing Tisdale on a two and half year contract. His actions I think are negligent and any other public company with shareholders would be screaming blue murder at the this cock up. I will be fascinated to hear Starnes defence of his actions. Not only is he chucking money away hand over fist he’s picking up a good salary for the privilege of doing it. So too right I’m moaning Really after the success he had at Exeter with multiple playoff finishes, promotion and giant killings and cup runs as well as selling on a number of developed players for significant profit and also his success with MK Dons in getting them promoted? To me, if you were looking for an experienced manager with a decent CV (which we were) , he’d be a very credible candidate? I can also understand how and why Garner was recruited and why he was supported and backed despite the poor 2nd half of the 19/20 season when he was first appointed. Now people could question hiring an inexperienced manager and then sticking with him but Tisdales CV very much fitted the brief of what we all wanted post Garner - an experienced manager (not coach) who has had success..... people may not like him and could say they’d prefer someone else but they can’t say his profile didn’t fit what was needed. I don’t think anyone could have predicted results would have been so poor under him (although I personally do think injuries, the 2 week COVID break etc has had a major impact on his ability to deliver results) For me, whilst the outcome hasn’t turned out how we wanted, I don’t think Starnes has done too much wrong or should I temper that with I can understand how and why he has taken the actions he has. The only bit I’m surprised at is how quickly Tisdale was sacked - he didn’t have a huge amount of time and personally I’d have given him longer so maybe something else is part of it.... Im sure if a struggling fourth division club are looking for a manager Paul will stabilise the team and in time will get them to the play offs and then bring them back down again. We’ve had a few of them at the club over the last couple of decades. I thought the plan with training ground etc was to look up not down
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Feb 11, 2021 22:04:51 GMT
Why do posters keep suggesting we need to be as successful as Accrington, it's not like they are running away with the L1 championship, they were promoted to L1 after us and will probably finish mid table again, it must be fairly easy for them to pick up young players in the north west, given how many Premiership/Championship clubs are based in the area, there must be 10+ releasing players every summer? P'bor have had their set up running for a decade or more, so it's not something they've built overnight, as far as employing a DoF and building up the scouting network, isn't that TW's new role, not sure he had any real involvement in Garner's or Tisdale's appointment, the former seems Wael's choice the latter Starnes. Starting block maybe. Always over achieve so maybe we don’t give them enough credit there, minimal budget to continually over achieve, again welding fleetwood. That’s where we are, envious of fleetwood. Sad times. But no where near the worst of times.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2021 22:06:37 GMT
Really after the success he had at Exeter with multiple playoff finishes, promotion and giant killings and cup runs as well as selling on a number of developed players for significant profit and also his success with MK Dons in getting them promoted? To me, if you were looking for an experienced manager with a decent CV (which we were) , he’d be a very credible candidate? I can also understand how and why Garner was recruited and why he was supported and backed despite the poor 2nd half of the 19/20 season when he was first appointed. Now people could question hiring an inexperienced manager and then sticking with him but Tisdales CV very much fitted the brief of what we all wanted post Garner - an experienced manager (not coach) who has had success..... people may not like him and could say they’d prefer someone else but they can’t say his profile didn’t fit what was needed. I don’t think anyone could have predicted results would have been so poor under him (although I personally do think injuries, the 2 week COVID break etc has had a major impact on his ability to deliver results) For me, whilst the outcome hasn’t turned out how we wanted, I don’t think Starnes has done too much wrong or should I temper that with I can understand how and why he has taken the actions he has. The only bit I’m surprised at is how quickly Tisdale was sacked - he didn’t have a huge amount of time and personally I’d have given him longer so maybe something else is part of it.... Im sure if a struggling fourth division club are looking for a manager Paul will stabilise the team and in time will get them to the play offs and then bring them back down again. We’ve had a few of them at the club over the last couple of decades. I thought the plan with training ground etc was to look up not down Yes I agree that the idea was to look up but again, looking at his history and CV it wouldn’t smack of a bad candidate? I guess bearing in mind we’d be unlikely to pay out huge compensation to buy a manager from another club and the manager would actually have to want to come to us; who would have been your looking upwards choice? I’m struggling to think of anyone realistic ......
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Post by aghast on Feb 11, 2021 22:40:25 GMT
Great o p! Perhaps Starnesy can issue a letter of apology? In an age where media is quicker; more sophisticated; easier to create and stronger than ever, the lack of public communication between the board and fanbase is as wide as it's ever been. I couldn’t disagree more with your last sentence. The clubs communications have vastly improved in recent years. Of course we could always go back to Higgs’s annual “chairman’s report”. They're very good at releasing good news. Not quite so forthcoming when bad stuff happens or things like stadium ambitions fail to materialise. Probably much like most other clubs, actually.
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Post by chilly1883 on Feb 11, 2021 23:06:36 GMT
What am I going to do about it? What an odd thing to ask! I suppose I’ll keep on supporting, like I have done for forty years, and pray they can start making the correct football decisions Why's it odd your saying things at the top must change but the only that'll happen is if Wael's replaced, as that looks unlikely we just have to hope he chooses the right manager this time. Posters are living in dreamland if they think Wael's going to dismiss Starnes and Widdrington and pay them a fortune in compensation, whilst he's already paying off two managers. Who’s actually said about dismissing people? I’ve said they need to start making better football decisions. People at the top, do make bad decisions, as we’ve clearly seen. Hopefully there gonna Learn. Why are you so touchy about our leaders? Have I hit a nerve?
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Post by Gasshole on Feb 12, 2021 5:04:33 GMT
5 minute warning , next Manager
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Post by bluegas on Feb 12, 2021 7:55:23 GMT
Why's it odd your saying things at the top must change but the only that'll happen is if Wael's replaced, as that looks unlikely we just have to hope he chooses the right manager this time. Posters are living in dreamland if they think Wael's going to dismiss Starnes and Widdrington and pay them a fortune in compensation, whilst he's already paying off two managers. Who’s actually said about dismissing people? I’ve said they need to start making better football decisions. People at the top, do make bad decisions, as we’ve clearly seen. Hopefully there gonna Learn. Why are you so touchy about our leaders? Have I hit a nerve? I wouldn't have said touchy - more like stark staringly realistic. Perhaps touchy about facile posts.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 12, 2021 8:18:10 GMT
Why's it odd your saying things at the top must change but the only that'll happen is if Wael's replaced, as that looks unlikely we just have to hope he chooses the right manager this time. Posters are living in dreamland if they think Wael's going to dismiss Starnes and Widdrington and pay them a fortune in compensation, whilst he's already paying off two managers. Who’s actually said about dismissing people? I’ve said they need to start making better football decisions. People at the top, do make bad decisions, as we’ve clearly seen. Hopefully there gonna Learn. Why are you so touchy about our leaders? Have I hit a nerve? Suggest you read the entire thread, certain posters are suggesting Weal brings in a new CEO, even a consultant, and a DoF. As far as hitting a nerve, any chance you could explain what you mean by that comment, as I'm intrigued by it?
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Post by RD on Feb 12, 2021 9:11:38 GMT
So is there really a press conference this morning? If so, any idea on what time?
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Feb 12, 2021 9:23:11 GMT
Never know what time... cmon mate Good morning Thanks for joining us Gasheads. There is a busy day ahead for Rovers with caretaker boss Tommy Widdrington holding his pre-match press conference this morning.
That will be followed by a press conference with CEO Martyn Starnes.
Stay tuned!Link:https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/next-bristol-rovers-manager-live-4995721
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Feb 12, 2021 9:40:32 GMT
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Post by RD on Feb 12, 2021 9:49:46 GMT
Blimey - some real nuggets their TBF. Sounds like Tisdale certainly would have been backed and it was his decision to not sign anyone (stupid!!). To then publicly criticise what is a young squad obviously meant there was no way back for him. Think it was 100% the right decision. Does make me think there could be in something in it with regards to that young Cardiff coach though? A lot of people saying he sounds like a clone of Garner - perhaps the Board seen how gutted the players were when BG left and how they didn't particularly take to PT and are thinking someone in a similar mould to BG might get the best out of them.
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Post by kruger on Feb 12, 2021 9:49:48 GMT
Anyone know what time?
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 12, 2021 9:53:34 GMT
Looks like Widdrington (not a proper Gashead) is briefing Frost (not even close to a Gashead) that it's Tisdale's (not really a Gashead) fault that we didn't get a striker in. I'm f**king sick to death of all these lady gardens sniffing around our club for their own ends.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 12, 2021 9:54:47 GMT
Sounds like Tisdale certainly would have been backed and it was his decision to not sign anyone (stupid!!). I'd suggest reading that a bit more carefully. There's some proper weasel words in that bit of the article.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Feb 12, 2021 9:54:56 GMT
Blimey - some real nuggets their TBF. Sounds like Tisdale certainly would have been backed and it was his decision to not sign anyone (stupid!!). To then publicly criticise what is a young squad obviously meant there was no way back for him. Think it was 100% the right decision. Does make me think there could be in something in it with regards to that young Cardiff coach though? A lot of people saying he sounds like a clone of Garner - perhaps the Board seen how gutted the players were when BG left and how they didn't particularly take to PT and are thinking someone in a similar mould to BG might get the best out of them. Wondering if that is why we kept Jack Mesure too... maybe his coaching is good and the players love it?
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Post by TAGas on Feb 12, 2021 9:59:47 GMT
Sounds like Tisdale certainly would have been backed and it was his decision to not sign anyone (stupid!!). I'd suggest reading that a bit more carefully. There's some proper weasel words in that bit of the article. That word always makes me laugh It's true though, I think there are some weasel's in that board room.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 12, 2021 10:09:01 GMT
I certainly am moaning and I think with justification. Anyone with any experience watching football could see Tisdale was a hopeless appointment. I’m not moaning after the event I said it prior to the appointment. Starnes has just chucked away a very large part of our playing budget sacking Garner and appointing Tisdale on a two and half year contract. His actions I think are negligent and any other public company with shareholders would be screaming blue murder at the this cock up. I will be fascinated to hear Starnes defence of his actions. Not only is he chucking money away hand over fist he’s picking up a good salary for the privilege of doing it. So too right I’m moaning Really after the success he had at Exeter with multiple playoff finishes, promotion and giant killings and cup runs as well as selling on a number of developed players for significant profit and also his success with MK Dons in getting them promoted? To me, if you were looking for an experienced manager with a decent CV (which we were) , he’d be a very credible candidate? I can also understand how and why Garner was recruited and why he was supported and backed despite the poor 2nd half of the 19/20 season when he was first appointed. Now people could question hiring an inexperienced manager and then sticking with him but Tisdales CV very much fitted the brief of what we all wanted post Garner - an experienced manager (not coach) who has had success..... people may not like him and could say they’d prefer someone else but they can’t say his profile didn’t fit what was needed. I don’t think anyone could have predicted results would have been so poor under him (although I personally do think injuries, the 2 week COVID break etc has had a major impact on his ability to deliver results) For me, whilst the outcome hasn’t turned out how we wanted, I don’t think Starnes has done too much wrong or should I temper that with I can understand how and why he has taken the actions he has. The only bit I’m surprised at is how quickly Tisdale was sacked - he didn’t have a huge amount of time and personally I’d have given him longer so maybe something else is part of it.... The problem with Tisdale was that he had several shots at L1 football, and hasnt managed any period of sustained success after getting promoted from L2. His track record suggests he should be a very good football manager higher up the leagues, but hes never been given/taken the opportunity to be successful. Just drilling down on his stats gave me cause from concern from the off. I think that because he didnt improve anything of note, failed in the transfer window and then started blaming everyone else around him other than himself, then it was the absolute right decision to get rid of him.
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Feb 12, 2021 10:20:03 GMT
I'd suggest reading that a bit more carefully. There's some proper weasel words in that bit of the article. That word always makes me laugh It's true though, I think there are some weasel's in that board room. Not sure that's quite right? This is an excellent piece (and I hate the Post because they normally cut & paste). The article appears multi sourced from both players, management & ex staff. Any criticism could be portrayed as "weasel words", even if it was/is justified. We do know that PT was given a budget for a striker because he said so in his own Presser on at least two occasions that I can remember. If he put all his hopes on just one player - ie Stockley without a plan B or C then coupled with his comments post Oxford then it was right that he was sacked. It's TW job to sort out the selling club, Agents, transfer/loan fees, signing on fee, medical, accommodation etc, etc. All PT had to do was produce a list. Sounds like that did'nt happen.
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 12, 2021 10:23:13 GMT
So is there really a press conference this morning? If so, any idea on what time? Already happened according to radio Bristol. Now seen any details on it yet though.
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