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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 13, 2021 21:24:20 GMT
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 13, 2021 21:24:51 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 21:26:36 GMT
Riffing on it a bit further Eric would you as the figurehead of the U.K. game want to be seen to put livelihoods at stake by forcing linesmen to run a frozen line and then dealing with the bad PR as well as the insurance premiums that would sky rocket if those linesmen were to get injured? No, you wouldnât. Itâs pretty obvious why companies would not risk the safety of their employees even if we, as the public, know that really they donât give a sh** about their employees. they run up and down in a straight line, canât see that the conditions today would have been any more dangerous than the usual quagmire assistant referees have to work in, ref called it far too early imho You do realise that we will be 200 miles north next season at 2pm ranting that the ref should gave called it off early so that we could have saved a wasted journey. I do agree that today he could have waited until 2-50pm as he didn't need to pre guess the kick off time pitch conditions. Can older viewers remember the season we got relegated to the 4th tier for the first time in our history. We were playing (Hartlepool???) and were winning 1-0 when the ref called it off after 20 minutes and we lost the rearranged fixture. The ref wanted to call it off 15 minutes before kick off but our safety officer insisted the game had to kick off to ensure all fans were inside before calling it off to avoid a crush situation and allow the stewards to be able to issue vouchers as supporter left.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 21:28:53 GMT
Riffing on it a bit further Eric would you as the figurehead of the U.K. game want to be seen to put livelihoods at stake by forcing linesmen to run a frozen line and then dealing with the bad PR as well as the insurance premiums that would sky rocket if those linesmen were to get injured? No, you wouldnât. Itâs pretty obvious why companies would not risk the safety of their employees even if we, as the public, know that really they donât give a sh** about their employees. they run up and down in a straight line, canât see that the conditions today would have been any more dangerous than the usual quagmire assistant referees have to work in, ref called it far too early imho Iâd have risked life and limb and stood in for one of the linesmen and taken their match fee if they were too scared, I could do with an extra few hundred quid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 21:29:00 GMT
See above, linesmen are effectively volunteers. We couldnât have a game if they had no cover if they got injured due to poor conditions. So someone has to pay the guys wages if they have an accident and I bet you as a business owner would not be willing to do so. Perhaps they need to think about whether they should carry out such a hazardous hobby as being a linesman. If itâs so dangerous that it could affect their livelihood then clearly not worth taking a chance. I guess getting insurance cover would be prohibitively expensive because itâs such a risky pastime. Itâs not risky if the ref, who is in charge of safety, has the minerals to decide what is dangerous and what isnât. Hence today, rightly or wrongly, the ref erred on the side of caution. Iâm not saying it was the right decision but rather than in this day and age if our own manager admitted that footing was dodgy on the touch line then itâs self explanatory why it was called off. You wouldnât want to be sued for breaching protocol because you screamed in the refs face âI WANT THE GAME ONâ and the ref went ahead under duress and there was a serious injury, Iâm sure.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 21:31:46 GMT
they run up and down in a straight line, canât see that the conditions today would have been any more dangerous than the usual quagmire assistant referees have to work in, ref called it far too early imho You do realise that we will be 200 miles north next season at 2pm ranting that the ref should gave called it off early so that we could have saved a wasted journey. I do agree that today he could have waited until 2-50pm as he didn't need to pre guess the kick off time pitch conditions. Can older viewers remember the season we got relegated to the 4th tier for the first time in our history. We were playing (Hartlepool???) and were winning 1-0 when the ref called it off after 20 minutes and we lost the rearranged fixture. The ref wanted to call it off 15 minutes before kick off but our safety officer insisted the game had to kick off to ensure all fans were inside before calling it off to avoid a crush situation and allow the stewards to be able to issue vouchers as supporter left. Exactly, listening to football supporters griping is kinda pointless because the same people watering their pants that it was called off would be the same people applauding the refâs decision if we had an injury crisis and had the cards stacked against us. You take the rough with the smooth. We benefited from a âwaterlogged pitchâ in 2007 and we potentially lost out today. It balances itself out ultimately.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 21:33:22 GMT
You do realise that we will be 200 miles north next season at 2pm ranting that the ref should gave called it off early so that we could have saved a wasted journey. I do agree that today he could have waited until 2-50pm as he didn't need to pre guess the kick off time pitch conditions. Can older viewers remember the season we got relegated to the 4th tier for the first time in our history. We were playing (Hartlepool???) and were winning 1-0 when the ref called it off after 20 minutes and we lost the rearranged fixture. The ref wanted to call it off 15 minutes before kick off but our safety officer insisted the game had to kick off to ensure all fans were inside before calling it off to avoid a crush situation and allow the stewards to be able to issue vouchers as supporter left. Exactly, listening to football supporters griping is kinda pointless because the same people watering their pants that it was called off would be the same people applauding the refâs decision if we had an injury crisis and had the cards stacked against us. You take the rough with the smooth. We benefited from a âwaterlogged pitchâ in 2007 and we potentially lost out today. It balances itself out ultimately. Don't mention the waterlogged pitch, we got away with that one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 21:34:45 GMT
Exactly, listening to football supporters griping is kinda pointless because the same people watering their pants that it was called off would be the same people applauding the refâs decision if we had an injury crisis and had the cards stacked against us. You take the rough with the smooth. We benefited from a âwaterlogged pitchâ in 2007 and we potentially lost out today. It balances itself out ultimately. Don't mention the waterlogged pitch, we got away with that one. Absolutely, itâs worth reminding the kids who werenât old enough to remember that one that we have benefited from having referees in our pockets. We literally got promoted off the back of it that time. Swings and roundabouts. It evens out. And Iâll bet that time that the âplay the game at all costsâ guys like Eric were applauding the ref for calling the game off and not actually asking any questions as to how the pitch actually got waterlogged in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 21:40:39 GMT
Perhaps they need to think about whether they should carry out such a hazardous hobby as being a linesman. If itâs so dangerous that it could affect their livelihood then clearly not worth taking a chance. I guess getting insurance cover would be prohibitively expensive because itâs such a risky pastime. Itâs not risky if the ref, who is in charge of safety, has the minerals to decide what is dangerous and what isnât. Hence today, rightly or wrongly, the ref erred on the side of caution. Iâm not saying it was the right decision but rather than in this day and age if our own manager admitted that footing was dodgy on the touch line then itâs self explanatory why it was called off. You wouldnât want to be sued for breaching protocol because you screamed in the refs face âI WANT THE GAME ONâ and the ref went ahead under duress and there was a serious injury, Iâm sure. I think you might be on to something actually. Iâve just seen an advert from Irwin Mitchell Solicitors asking âHave you suffered life changing injuries whilst being forced to run an EFL when it was a bit cold outside? If so you may be due substantial damages with no costs to pay up frontâ.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 21:43:07 GMT
Itâs not risky if the ref, who is in charge of safety, has the minerals to decide what is dangerous and what isnât. Hence today, rightly or wrongly, the ref erred on the side of caution. Iâm not saying it was the right decision but rather than in this day and age if our own manager admitted that footing was dodgy on the touch line then itâs self explanatory why it was called off. You wouldnât want to be sued for breaching protocol because you screamed in the refs face âI WANT THE GAME ONâ and the ref went ahead under duress and there was a serious injury, Iâm sure. I think you might be on to something actually. Iâve just seen an advert from Irwin Mitchell Solicitors asking âHave you suffered life changing injuries whilst being forced to run an EFL when it was a bit cold outside? If so you may be due substantial damages with no costs to pay up frontâ. It's ok, one of the partners in the Bristol Office is a Gashead so we would have been fine.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 13, 2021 22:01:13 GMT
Those being the areas the staff were working on with heat lamps. There were still hours before ko - ref was way too premature with his decision. Is the ground being a bit firm under the linesmanâs feet justification for matches being postponed these days? Just repeating what The DOF said. I guess the ref was thinking of his assistants when he made the decision. If their wellbeing doesn't matter then I agree with you. With no fans being allowed into games I do agree that there is nothing wrong with leaving the decision until 10 minutes before kick off. I've never heard of a game being called off because a ref was concerned about his assistant's welfare, not even sure that's in the rule book as I'm pretty sure it's all about players welfare.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 22:01:27 GMT
Itâs not risky if the ref, who is in charge of safety, has the minerals to decide what is dangerous and what isnât. Hence today, rightly or wrongly, the ref erred on the side of caution. Iâm not saying it was the right decision but rather than in this day and age if our own manager admitted that footing was dodgy on the touch line then itâs self explanatory why it was called off. You wouldnât want to be sued for breaching protocol because you screamed in the refs face âI WANT THE GAME ONâ and the ref went ahead under duress and there was a serious injury, Iâm sure. I think you might be on to something actually. Iâve just seen an advert from Irwin Mitchell Solicitors asking âHave you suffered life changing injuries whilst being forced to run an EFL when it was a bit cold outside? If so you may be due substantial damages with no costs to pay up frontâ. Â Come on then Eric, what were your thoughts in 2007? watered off that the game was called off just because of a bit of water on the pitch? Judging by the way you are so vocal about games taking place at all costs you must have been raging that Rovers, in the middle of an awful run, got the game postponed against a team who, at the time, weâre flying. It must have kept you up at night.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 22:05:17 GMT
Just repeating what The DOF said. I guess the ref was thinking of his assistants when he made the decision. If their wellbeing doesn't matter then I agree with you. With no fans being allowed into games I do agree that there is nothing wrong with leaving the decision until 10 minutes before kick off. I've never heard of a game being called off because a ref was concerned about his assistant's welfare, not even sure that's in the rule book as I'm pretty sure it's all about players welfare. So playerâs safety trumps linesmanâs safety? Okay then.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 22:06:26 GMT
The thing I find strange is that the ref made one inspection before midday and did not give the club a chance to sort out his area of concern. He simply made his decision and cleared off home and the clubs request to the EFL to get him back was refused. Our opponents only faced a very short journey down a very quiet M5 so a late decision would not have been a problem. This stinks of double standards, our recent game at AS kicked off over half an hour late to allow the pitch to be made playable and even then the surface was lightyears behind what we have at the Mem. Very surprised nobody from Swindon appear to have not even turned up at the Mem to look at the pitch and didn't even want to entertain playing tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 22:17:14 GMT
The thing I find strange is that the ref made one inspection before midday and did not give the club a chance to sort out his area of concern. He simply made his decision and cleared off home and the clubs request to the EFL to get him back was refused. Our opponents only faced a very short journey down a very quiet M5 so a late decision would not have been a problem. This stinks of double standards, our recent game at AS kicked off over half an hour late to allow the pitch to be made playable and even then the surface was lightyears behind what we have at the Mem. Very surprised nobody from Swindon appear to have not even turned up at the Mem to look at the pitch and didn't even want to entertain playing tomorrow. Youâre assuming Swindon want to play the game. They donât. Itâs all down to the referee and once the decision is made the FA go with it, the same as the referee having control during a match. Maybe he will be sanctioned retrospectively, weâll have to wait and see. For me the key bit of information of the whole thing is that Widdrington admitted that the touchlines were dodgy. So itâs okay for the players safety to not be be compromised according to Rovers fans, but itâs okay for the linesmen to run the line on a part of the pitch that isnât 100%? Itâs seeing out of one eye stuff. We would be screaming blue murder about linesman safety if we wanted the game off. You have to take it on the chin and roll with the punches.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 22:19:57 GMT
Just seen the area of the pitch that the referee deemed unplayable. Was posted on SamFrosts twitter.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 22:27:30 GMT
Just repeating what The DOF said. I guess the ref was thinking of his assistants when he made the decision. If their wellbeing doesn't matter then I agree with you. With no fans being allowed into games I do agree that there is nothing wrong with leaving the decision until 10 minutes before kick off. I've never heard of a game being called off because a ref was concerned about his assistant's welfare, not even sure that's in the rule book as I'm pretty sure it's all about players welfare. Games have been called off due to the surrounding area of the stadium being deemed dangerous so it's not just limited to the playing surface. Normally the referee meets with the managers or club representatives and even the clubs safety officer before making a decision. It's not just a case of putting a stud in the pitch or bouncing a ball. Sometimes it's not even the match referee but a local referee called in if it is before the day of the game.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 13, 2021 22:30:14 GMT
Don't mention the waterlogged pitch, we got away with that one. Absolutely, itâs worth reminding the kids who werenât old enough to remember that one that we have benefited from having referees in our pockets. We literally got promoted off the back of it that time. Swings and roundabouts. It evens out. And Iâll bet that time that the âplay the game at all costsâ guys like Eric were applauding the ref for calling the game off and not actually asking any questions as to how the pitch actually got waterlogged in the first place. Difference was the pitch was actually waterlogged, it was nothing to do with having a ref in our pocket.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 22:30:21 GMT
No wonder the referee concerned made an early inspection and cleared off. He lives 195miles away from the Mem in Freckleton Lancashire.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 13, 2021 22:34:42 GMT
No wonder the referee concerned made an early inspection and cleared off. He lives 195miles away from the Mem in Freckleton Lancashire. Which was my point, assuming refs can't stay in hotels due to COVID then what was he doing in Bristol so early. He must have set off around 6 or 7am.
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