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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 22:35:01 GMT
Absolutely, it’s worth reminding the kids who weren’t old enough to remember that one that we have benefited from having referees in our pockets. We literally got promoted off the back of it that time. Swings and roundabouts. It evens out. And I’ll bet that time that the “play the game at all costs” guys like Eric were applauding the ref for calling the game off and not actually asking any questions as to how the pitch actually got waterlogged in the first place. Difference was the pitch was actually waterlogged, it was nothing to do with having a ref in our pocket. It certainly was waterlogged but you missed the last sentence from gas365.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 22:46:19 GMT
Absolutely, it’s worth reminding the kids who weren’t old enough to remember that one that we have benefited from having referees in our pockets. We literally got promoted off the back of it that time. Swings and roundabouts. It evens out. And I’ll bet that time that the “play the game at all costs” guys like Eric were applauding the ref for calling the game off and not actually asking any questions as to how the pitch actually got waterlogged in the first place. Difference was the pitch was actually waterlogged, it was nothing to do with having a ref in our pocket. Apparently, if you run a hose on a pitch all day and night you can water log it. Who knew?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 22:48:17 GMT
No wonder the referee concerned made an early inspection and cleared off. He lives 195miles away from the Mem in Freckleton Lancashire. Which was my point, assuming refs can't stay in hotels due to COVID then what was he doing in Bristol so early. He must have set off around 6 or 7am. Let me guess, he was on Swindon’s pay roll, am I right am I right am I right?
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Feb 13, 2021 22:50:45 GMT
No wonder the referee concerned made an early inspection and cleared off. He lives 195miles away from the Mem in Freckleton Lancashire. Seriously. If that is the case then which idiot at the EFL forgot to think that maybe during these times a more local - non biased - ref would be more ideal. In the past didn't local refs do early pitch inspections so that matchday refs didn't have a wasted journey or weren't too far from home before being advised to turn back
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Post by cockergas on Feb 13, 2021 22:52:49 GMT
Which was my point, assuming refs can't stay in hotels due to COVID then what was he doing in Bristol so early. He must have set off around 6 or 7am. Let me guess, he was on Swindon’s pay roll, am I right am I right am I right? don’t think anyone has suggested that, but how can the ref today call the match off over 3 hours before kick off when there was time for the ground staff to work on the part of the pitch that caused concern. in contrast up in Accrington it was OK to delay kick off whilst the pitch was worked on
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Feb 13, 2021 22:57:46 GMT
Which was my point, assuming refs can't stay in hotels due to COVID then what was he doing in Bristol so early. He must have set off around 6 or 7am. Let me guess, he was on Swindon’s pay roll, am I right am I right am I right? Swindon’s players aren’t even on their payroll currently.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 22:59:33 GMT
Let me guess, he was on Swindon’s pay roll, am I right am I right am I right? Swindon’s players aren’t even on their payroll currently. Hahaha touché 😂
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 23:02:53 GMT
Let me guess, he was on Swindon’s pay roll, am I right am I right am I right? don’t think anyone has suggested that, but how can the ref today call the match off over 3 hours before kick off when there was time for the ground staff to work on the part of the pitch that caused concern. in contrast up in Accrington it was OK to delay kick off whilst the pitch was worked on Who knows, but we need to wait and see if the FA see it as worthy enough of taking action. For me: Widdrington himself has cast doubt on the touchlines so that has suggested the ref may have had an angle to suspend the game. We all fully backed the ref v Stockport in 2007, yet when it goes against us we reject the referee’s decision. Imo we need to be better than that and just respect the referee’s decision whatever. Being one eyed about it and cherry picking when the ref is right and when He isn’t is one eyed bullshit. But I guess that’s the nature of the football supporter. Rovers good, Swindon bad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 23:03:56 GMT
No wonder the referee concerned made an early inspection and cleared off. He lives 195miles away from the Mem in Freckleton Lancashire. Which was my point, assuming refs can't stay in hotels due to COVID then what was he doing in Bristol so early. He must have set off around 6 or 7am. Hotels are open and you can stay in them as long as it is for business reasons so yes a referee can stay overnight as can football teams.
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Feb 13, 2021 23:09:12 GMT
He right though, why is he at the training ground when he would have known the ref was inspecting the pitch? Why does the CEO need to oversee a pitch inspection? Our referees should have enough integrity it doesn’t need to be overseen. I am friends and work with a ex premier league linesman and still has authority to call off a local fixture close to my proximity. He can’t understand why it was called so early and used the word ‘dodgy’. The man I mention may be on Radio brizzle Monday lunchtime???
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 23:19:09 GMT
I think you might be on to something actually. I’ve just seen an advert from Irwin Mitchell Solicitors asking “Have you suffered life changing injuries whilst being forced to run an EFL when it was a bit cold outside? If so you may be due substantial damages with no costs to pay up front”. Come on then Eric, what were your thoughts in 2007? watered off that the game was called off just because of a bit of water on the pitch? Judging by the way you are so vocal about games taking place at all costs you must have been raging that Rovers, in the middle of an awful run, got the game postponed against a team who, at the time, we’re flying. It must have kept you up at night. You really are hilarious. When have I ever said games must be played at all costs? If a pitch is GENUINELY unplayable or GENUINELY unsafe then I have no objections to games being abandoned or postponed. Today the referee made a very premature and incorrect decision. Simple. I guess if I’m a “Game must be played at all costs” sort of person you must be a “Game must be cancelled if at all possible” sort of person. You’d make a good VAR official searching for ways to disallow goals!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 23:21:36 GMT
Why does the CEO need to oversee a pitch inspection? Our referees should have enough integrity it doesn’t need to be overseen. I am friends and work with a ex premier league linesman and still has authority to call off a local fixture close to my proximity. He can’t understand why it was called so early and used the word ‘dodgy’. The man I mention may be on Radio brizzle Monday lunchtime??? He doesn’t know what he’s talking about. It was clearly far too dangerous to officiate a match in today’s awful conditions !!!
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Post by yetigas on Feb 13, 2021 23:33:44 GMT
Terrible decision by the referee. The condition of the edge of the pitch is irrelevant at 11.45 - the ref would have more credibility if he had made the decision on 2.45. The usual reasons for not waiting that long is fans travelling the game (not relevant today). Starnes is quite entitled to be angry and I would be too in a similar situation. This has got nothing to do with 2007 or 1947 or whatever historical event people want to quote. This is about a very poor decision taken today and I applaud he club for complaining to the EFL. I would love to hear from the referee why he couldn't have waiting another 3 hours before making his decision. Complete joke.
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Post by yetigas on Feb 13, 2021 23:37:44 GMT
Perhaps they need to think about whether they should carry out such a hazardous hobby as being a linesman. If it’s so dangerous that it could affect their livelihood then clearly not worth taking a chance. I guess getting insurance cover would be prohibitively expensive because it’s such a risky pastime. It’s not risky if the ref, who is in charge of safety, has the minerals to decide what is dangerous and what isn’t. Hence today, rightly or wrongly, the ref erred on the side of caution. I’m not saying it was the right decision but rather than in this day and age if our own manager admitted that footing was dodgy on the touch line then it’s self explanatory why it was called off. You wouldn’t want to be sued for breaching protocol because you screamed in the refs face “I WANT THE GAME ON” and the ref went ahead under duress and there was a serious injury, I’m sure. Not sure why you are backing the referee - but since you are, can you explain why the decision had to be made so early? Why not wait until 2.45?
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Post by Jomo on Feb 13, 2021 23:42:02 GMT
don’t think anyone has suggested that, but how can the ref today call the match off over 3 hours before kick off when there was time for the ground staff to work on the part of the pitch that caused concern. in contrast up in Accrington it was OK to delay kick off whilst the pitch was worked on Who knows, but we need to wait and see if the FA see it as worthy enough of taking action. For me: Widdrington himself has cast doubt on the touchlines so that has suggested the ref may have had an angle to suspend the game. We all fully backed the ref v Stockport in 2007, yet when it goes against us we reject the referee’s decision. Imo we need to be better than that and just respect the referee’s decision whatever. Being one he’d about it and cherry picking when the ref is right and when He isn’t is one eyed bullshit. But I guess that’s the nature of the football supporter. Rovers good, Swindon bad. I certainly see where you're coming from, I do agree that a lot of football supporters have that tendency to polarise these things, which is just being stupidly biased and is quite moronic to see things that way. But not everyone that feels today's postponement was not justifiable also thought we have always been blameless ourselves. In 2007 the referee may have made the right call, and today the referee may have made an error of judgement and then was inflexible in the aftermath. To me it seemed that in 2007 the club made his decision easy by being somewhat underhanded, which I did think that at the time was suspicious and I thought the whole feud with Gannon was a bit cringe, as he may have had legitimate grounds to be angry. Having said that, I did enjoy us pipping them to the playoffs immensely! Today the club seem to think the pitch was perfectly playable, which it may well have been, and if it was then theres no reason not to feel aggrieved, just because "you win some, you lose some". The whole thing about Swindon not wanting to play tomorrow is nothing to do with the ref, as if Swindon don't want to play then that's their right under the letter of the law. Might be annoying for us, and worthy of expressing that annoyance, regardless of what has happened in the past. We can objectively consider Swindon to be weasels today and yet still appreciate that we might not have been angels in other instances.
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Post by biggles on Feb 13, 2021 23:43:36 GMT
should have gone to var!
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Post by Gassy on Feb 13, 2021 23:48:28 GMT
Who knows, but we need to wait and see if the FA see it as worthy enough of taking action. For me: Widdrington himself has cast doubt on the touchlines so that has suggested the ref may have had an angle to suspend the game. We all fully backed the ref v Stockport in 2007, yet when it goes against us we reject the referee’s decision. Imo we need to be better than that and just respect the referee’s decision whatever. Being one he’d about it and cherry picking when the ref is right and when He isn’t is one eyed bullshit. But I guess that’s the nature of the football supporter. Rovers good, Swindon bad. I certainly see where you're coming from, I do agree that a lot of football supporters have that tendency to polarise these things, which is just being stupidly biased and is quite moronic to see things that way. But not everyone that feels today's postponement was not justifiable also thought we have always been blameless ourselves. In 2007 the referee may have made the right call, and today the referee may have made an error of judgement and then was inflexible in the aftermath. To me it seemed that in 2007 the club made his decision easy by being somewhat underhanded, which I did think that at the time was suspicious and I thought the whole feud with Gannon was a bit cringe, as he may have had legitimate grounds to be angry. Having said that, I did enjoy us pipping them to the playoffs immensely! Today the club seem to think the pitch was perfectly playable, which it may well have been, and if it was then theres no reason not to feel aggrieved, just because "you win some, you lose some". The whole thing about Swindon not wanting to play tomorrow is nothing to do with the ref, as if Swindon don't want to play then that's their right under the letter of the law. Might be annoying for us, and worthy of expressing that annoyance, regardless of what has happened in the past. We can objectively consider Swindon to be weasels today and yet still appreciate that we might not have been angels in other instances. Tbf though, the pitch against Stockport at the time probably wasn't playable. The referee made a late decision (I think) and that was that. Whether we deliberately let it get to that state is a different matter, I personally think we did tbh. The main issue on today is why it was called off so early, 99% of the time the referee calls a later inspection around 1pm and 2pm. To call it off when he did is beyond bizarre and needs looking at.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Feb 14, 2021 0:51:20 GMT
I assume the ref still got paid along with his expenses?
Maybe he was on a promise? would have been back home early for some afternoon delight!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 0:51:36 GMT
Come on then Eric, what were your thoughts in 2007? watered off that the game was called off just because of a bit of water on the pitch? Judging by the way you are so vocal about games taking place at all costs you must have been raging that Rovers, in the middle of an awful run, got the game postponed against a team who, at the time, we’re flying. It must have kept you up at night. You really are hilarious. When have I ever said games must be played at all costs? If a pitch is GENUINELY unplayable or GENUINELY unsafe then I have no objections to games being abandoned or postponed. Today the referee made a very premature and incorrect decision. Simple. I guess if I’m a “Game must be played at all costs” sort of person you must be a “Game must be cancelled if at all possible” sort of person. You’d make a good VAR official searching for ways to disallow goals! Hey, you’re the one mocking the safety of the linesman not me. Starnes said it was playable, Widdrington conceded the touchlines could be an issue. The ref called it off. You, sat at home, know best and think that the only issue is that ambulance chasers might be able to get involved. “You do you” as the saying goes....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2021 0:59:31 GMT
Who knows, but we need to wait and see if the FA see it as worthy enough of taking action. For me: Widdrington himself has cast doubt on the touchlines so that has suggested the ref may have had an angle to suspend the game. We all fully backed the ref v Stockport in 2007, yet when it goes against us we reject the referee’s decision. Imo we need to be better than that and just respect the referee’s decision whatever. Being one he’d about it and cherry picking when the ref is right and when He isn’t is one eyed bullshit. But I guess that’s the nature of the football supporter. Rovers good, Swindon bad. I certainly see where you're coming from, I do agree that a lot of football supporters have that tendency to polarise these things, which is just being stupidly biased and is quite moronic to see things that way. But not everyone that feels today's postponement was not justifiable also thought we have always been blameless ourselves. In 2007 the referee may have made the right call, and today the referee may have made an error of judgement and then was inflexible in the aftermath. To me it seemed that in 2007 the club made his decision easy by being somewhat underhanded, which I did think that at the time was suspicious and I thought the whole feud with Gannon was a bit cringe, as he may have had legitimate grounds to be angry. Having said that, I did enjoy us pipping them to the playoffs immensely! Today the club seem to think the pitch was perfectly playable, which it may well have been, and if it was then theres no reason not to feel aggrieved, just because "you win some, you lose some". The whole thing about Swindon not wanting to play tomorrow is nothing to do with the ref, as if Swindon don't want to play then that's their right under the letter of the law. Might be annoying for us, and worthy of expressing that annoyance, regardless of what has happened in the past. We can objectively consider Swindon to be weasels today and yet still appreciate that we might not have been angels in other instances. Absolutely I agree re Stockport- was I glad the game was called off? Yes! But do I think we got away with one? Absolutely. I think the boot is on the other foot today and I’ll give the ref the benefit of the doubt mainly because we got away with one before. As I said if it was down to the footage then yes it looks bang out wrong, but from what I remember of the widdrington quote it seems like the touchlines were pretty solid and maybe that was the excuse the ref needed to put his feet up? Not worth crying over spilt milk imo, we might be on a decent run come the re-arrangement and it may work in our favour after all. To use a D.C.-ism let s stop looking for conspiracy and dust ourselves down and move on
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