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Post by 4d on Mar 11, 2021 19:49:55 GMT
3 defeats and 2 draws following his appointment, will he survive until the summer if Port Vale keep failing to win games/drop into the bottom 2? DC's turning into the next Paul Trollope, in fact he's been in a slow decline since he suggested that he'd spoken to him about his time at Rovers! This is the reality - Vale had a strong post Christmas period last season and we missed out on the playoffs after the season halting agreement by something ridiculous like 0.06 ppg. Many of us were expecting another strong shout to go up this year. Then manager John Askey had a recruitment nightmare to end all nightmares. Lazy signings galore. Signed some utter, utter, utter gash. Our spine of the team, which is quite old, got another year older and lost another 3 yards of pace. After a decent start the season went tits up in October and has been downhill since. Compounding the poor recruitment is the fact that 6 first team starters are constantly injured and have been out for months. Tom Pope, David Amoo, David Worrall, James Gibbons, Monty, Manny Oyeleke, they've all been long term and/or frequent injuries. This meant the side having to be put out is full of Askey's summer signings - some of whom are simply not professional footballers. The point is DC will do well to keep this band of wasters up. We then need a violent clear out in the Summer, literally dragging players off the premises if required, and a total fresh start. Root to branch. Spray Weedol on the fckers and get them out. Vale got rid of their parasitic owner in 2019 and we now have the excellent Shanahan family in charge. Vale have money, they're quite prepared to invest, the owner Carol stuck in another £1m this season to cover the Covid losses. It is incredibly infuriating that she has so far been rewarded for her commitment and investment by the threat of relegation because of this dogshlt squad, a mixture of incompetence by the previous manager, and certain players in the current camp who don't care as much as they should. They had their furlough wages topped up, they're looked after incredibly well by Carol, PVFC is night and day from what it was under the previous weapons in the boardroom, it's a completely different club. Some are taking advantage of her good nature and need culling. I know what you may be thinking after the 'Vale have money' comments but this isn't a typical FL owner plaything scenario. She has run a charity for years and since last March, Vale have produced and donated over 300,000 free meals to families in Stoke on Trent who are registered below the poverty line. There is some interaction with foodbanks but I believe her main target is working with the headteachers of local schools who know which of their kids are struggling and she makes sure those kids get fed. There is also lots of socially distanced doorstep visits of the elderly who were/are lonely over lockdown, and she had the players ring thousands of ST holders. Her investment in Vale (she and her husband have a very successful IT/data security business) is not an ego thing where she expects results instantly in a kneejerk fashion, it's very much a long term project for the community thing, she is putting stuff in place now the benefits of which won't be seen for many years, but that bedrock foundation has been missing for 20 years under a succession of parasitic, scumbag owners and it's finally being put back in place. I am not judging DC too harshly on the results of this season, he can only work with what he's got, and what he's got is a rag tag bunch of mouthbreathers. DC needs to be judged on what he does next year tbh. I was a little unsure by his somewhat brash personality at first but recently he's softened up a bit. I'm looking forward to him building a squad from scratch working with DOF David Flitcroft and his recently appointed assistant Andy Crosby from the Northern Ireland international set up. Stay up this year and, surprisingly given our position in the table at the moment, it's actually all looking very promising going forward. Aren’t you after a chief scout as well? If Barton wants more control over signings than Tommy Widdrington likes to give I wouldn’t be massively surprised to see Widdrington rock up at port vale too - didn’t he used to be your captain?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 11, 2021 21:12:07 GMT
This is the reality - Vale had a strong post Christmas period last season and we missed out on the playoffs after the season halting agreement by something ridiculous like 0.06 ppg. Many of us were expecting another strong shout to go up this year. Then manager John Askey had a recruitment nightmare to end all nightmares. Lazy signings galore. Signed some utter, utter, utter gash. Our spine of the team, which is quite old, got another year older and lost another 3 yards of pace. After a decent start the season went tits up in October and has been downhill since. Compounding the poor recruitment is the fact that 6 first team starters are constantly injured and have been out for months. Tom Pope, David Amoo, David Worrall, James Gibbons, Monty, Manny Oyeleke, they've all been long term and/or frequent injuries. This meant the side having to be put out is full of Askey's summer signings - some of whom are simply not professional footballers. The point is DC will do well to keep this band of wasters up. We then need a violent clear out in the Summer, literally dragging players off the premises if required, and a total fresh start. Root to branch. Spray Weedol on the fckers and get them out. Vale got rid of their parasitic owner in 2019 and we now have the excellent Shanahan family in charge. Vale have money, they're quite prepared to invest, the owner Carol stuck in another £1m this season to cover the Covid losses. It is incredibly infuriating that she has so far been rewarded for her commitment and investment by the threat of relegation because of this dogshlt squad, a mixture of incompetence by the previous manager, and certain players in the current camp who don't care as much as they should. They had their furlough wages topped up, they're looked after incredibly well by Carol, PVFC is night and day from what it was under the previous weapons in the boardroom, it's a completely different club. Some are taking advantage of her good nature and need culling. I know what you may be thinking after the 'Vale have money' comments but this isn't a typical FL owner plaything scenario. She has run a charity for years and since last March, Vale have produced and donated over 300,000 free meals to families in Stoke on Trent who are registered below the poverty line. There is some interaction with foodbanks but I believe her main target is working with the headteachers of local schools who know which of their kids are struggling and she makes sure those kids get fed. There is also lots of socially distanced doorstep visits of the elderly who were/are lonely over lockdown, and she had the players ring thousands of ST holders. Her investment in Vale (she and her husband have a very successful IT/data security business) is not an ego thing where she expects results instantly in a kneejerk fashion, it's very much a long term project for the community thing, she is putting stuff in place now the benefits of which won't be seen for many years, but that bedrock foundation has been missing for 20 years under a succession of parasitic, scumbag owners and it's finally being put back in place. I am not judging DC too harshly on the results of this season, he can only work with what he's got, and what he's got is a rag tag bunch of mouthbreathers. DC needs to be judged on what he does next year tbh. I was a little unsure by his somewhat brash personality at first but recently he's softened up a bit. I'm looking forward to him building a squad from scratch working with DOF David Flitcroft and his recently appointed assistant Andy Crosby from the Northern Ireland international set up. Stay up this year and, surprisingly given our position in the table at the moment, it's actually all looking very promising going forward. Good luck with DC rebuilding the squad in the summer as that led to his downfall at Rovers and he hardly seems to have done much better at Walsall. I can't see there's any evidence that DC's forte is rebuilding squads/signing players. Other than the squad he built with the players he signed that earned 2 promotions and our highest league position in 20 years, I completely agree with you.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 11, 2021 22:10:03 GMT
Just fed the Vale results into my tableau to see how your managers this season compare. Obvs small sample size for Danny and Darrell but you may find it interesting. View AttachmentTake away for me from this is that it seems like Darrell is attempting to make you more solid at the back first and foremost then build on that. Goals conceded is current 1.0 per match under Darrell. Shots on target against you per match has reduced to 3.7 from 4.3 under John Askey. This however as you have probably noticed has meant that your goals have dried up a bit as have your shots on target. Interestingly though Darrell has the team taking the most shots per game, so a bit more accuracy might just get the results you all want. Hope you find that interesting. Thanks for that mate. Definitely tightened up a bit. We created a frankly daft amount of chances on Tuesday night against Oldham but Askey's donkeys up front could do nothing with them. 23 shots and no goals, absurd. We were extremely close to signing Nicky Maynard/Jamille Matt in the Summer and then ended up with Theo wheelchair Robinson. David Worrall who you can see playing on the right here is constantly at the top of the football league 'chance creation' tables, I think there's a graphic going round from Sky Sports News from earlier in the season where he was being listed next to premier league and top Bundesliga players in terms of chances made per minutes played or whatever, he's too good for L2. DC needs to build a team around him playing on the RW. It's all about the recruitment this summer. He has the opportunity to effectively build an entire squad of his own players under Flitcroft's oversight around a core of 4/5 existing players. Unfortunately (given his Rovers links) I don't think I'd offer Montano a new contract on the basis that he's constantly injured. You wouldn't believe Vale's injury woes, RWB Gibbons was out for months with a hamstring problem, came back, played about an hour over appearances and then snapped it again last week. We have a CM called Oyeleke who on his day takes the plss out of L2, he is genuinely quality, but he's made of glass and has averaged 15 games a season. He's out for two months, plays a game and is then out for another few weeks, it's a joke. Unfortunately he might have to get the chop too, on the basis that we pay a lot of money just to carry him. 3 quality appearances every 3 months doesn't make up for it. DC has sacked the clearly incompetent fitness and conditioning guy. Well if he is in the market for Rovers players there are plenty up at the end of the season I believe: Luke Leahy, Ed Upson, Tom Davies, Josh Hare, Mark Little, Jordi van Stappershoef, Alexis Andre jnr, Abu Ogogo, Kyle Bennett, Alex Rodman and maybe more... Some of these have been performing well under Joey Barton though so may get offered new contracts
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 11, 2021 22:11:52 GMT
Good luck with DC rebuilding the squad in the summer as that led to his downfall at Rovers and he hardly seems to have done much better at Walsall. I can't see there's any evidence that DC's forte is rebuilding squads/signing players. Other than the squad he built with the players he signed that earned 2 promotions and our highest league position in 20 years, I completely agree with you. In addition didn’t they (Walsall) just sell a striker to Huddersfield, must have been performing well under DC
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 11, 2021 22:25:46 GMT
This is the reality - Vale had a strong post Christmas period last season and we missed out on the playoffs after the season halting agreement by something ridiculous like 0.06 ppg. Many of us were expecting another strong shout to go up this year. Then manager John Askey had a recruitment nightmare to end all nightmares. Lazy signings galore. Signed some utter, utter, utter gash. Our spine of the team, which is quite old, got another year older and lost another 3 yards of pace. After a decent start the season went tits up in October and has been downhill since. Compounding the poor recruitment is the fact that 6 first team starters are constantly injured and have been out for months. Tom Pope, David Amoo, David Worrall, James Gibbons, Monty, Manny Oyeleke, they've all been long term and/or frequent injuries. This meant the side having to be put out is full of Askey's summer signings - some of whom are simply not professional footballers. The point is DC will do well to keep this band of wasters up. We then need a violent clear out in the Summer, literally dragging players off the premises if required, and a total fresh start. Root to branch. Spray Weedol on the fckers and get them out. Vale got rid of their parasitic owner in 2019 and we now have the excellent Shanahan family in charge. Vale have money, they're quite prepared to invest, the owner Carol stuck in another £1m this season to cover the Covid losses. It is incredibly infuriating that she has so far been rewarded for her commitment and investment by the threat of relegation because of this dogshlt squad, a mixture of incompetence by the previous manager, and certain players in the current camp who don't care as much as they should. They had their furlough wages topped up, they're looked after incredibly well by Carol, PVFC is night and day from what it was under the previous weapons in the boardroom, it's a completely different club. Some are taking advantage of her good nature and need culling. I know what you may be thinking after the 'Vale have money' comments but this isn't a typical FL owner plaything scenario. She has run a charity for years and since last March, Vale have produced and donated over 300,000 free meals to families in Stoke on Trent who are registered below the poverty line. There is some interaction with foodbanks but I believe her main target is working with the headteachers of local schools who know which of their kids are struggling and she makes sure those kids get fed. There is also lots of socially distanced doorstep visits of the elderly who were/are lonely over lockdown, and she had the players ring thousands of ST holders. Her investment in Vale (she and her husband have a very successful IT/data security business) is not an ego thing where she expects results instantly in a kneejerk fashion, it's very much a long term project for the community thing, she is putting stuff in place now the benefits of which won't be seen for many years, but that bedrock foundation has been missing for 20 years under a succession of parasitic, scumbag owners and it's finally being put back in place. I am not judging DC too harshly on the results of this season, he can only work with what he's got, and what he's got is a rag tag bunch of mouthbreathers. DC needs to be judged on what he does next year tbh. I was a little unsure by his somewhat brash personality at first but recently he's softened up a bit. I'm looking forward to him building a squad from scratch working with DOF David Flitcroft and his recently appointed assistant Andy Crosby from the Northern Ireland international set up. Stay up this year and, surprisingly given our position in the table at the moment, it's actually all looking very promising going forward. Aren’t you after a chief scout as well? If Barton wants more control over signings than Tommy Widdrington likes to give I wouldn’t be massively surprised to see Widdrington rock up at port vale too - didn’t he used to be your captain? Add that to the rumour of Gary Penrice returning and the bookies might stop all bets
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Post by 1986gashead on Mar 11, 2021 22:53:34 GMT
Not really. DC had 2 decent seasons with us in L1 before losing it at the end. Whilst he didn’t set the world alight at Walsall, he didn’t get sacked after 12 games like PT did. DC was a victim of his own success and didn’t know L1 well enough. PT was guided by LL (IMO) where as soon as he left, he was completely found out as a manager. As for Vale, very early days yet. Pretty sure PT lasted two seasons and a then further 12 games as our manager, like DC the issues came when he tried to rebuild the promoted squad, their demise is uncannily similar. I agree 100% with the similarities in the end of Trollope and DC, neither replaced the player out with better players in I think. TP replaced the likes of Disley with Blizard and Elliot with Tunnicliff. DC lost the better players for different reasons of course but replacing them was still not good enough... Luke James?? Lol
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Post by oldgas on Mar 13, 2021 10:12:51 GMT
Reading the Walsall forum they hate and despise DC, I mean really, really despise him. They can't believe they've actually received compo for him from Port Vale and are laughing their socks off and are busy telling Vale fans what they can expect.
The Walsall fans were sick and tired of DC's 'projects' and the constant team changes, unbelievable substitutions and in-match formation changes. They were also baffled by his secretiveness regarding injuries and angered at his bombastic interviews and the way he constantly interrupted the interviewer. They also commented that J Clarke and The Beard were 2 of the worst players ever to play for them, and were in hysterics when DC said his squad at Port Vale was better than his Walsall squad and they couldn't wait to point out that he spent 2 years building his squad. They had also got totally fed up with him banging on about his coaching medals. Sound familiar?
I just wonder how it all went so wrong, from the Comference and L2 sides to what he left us with. Very, very sad.
Vale fans are even now starting to question DC, constant team changes, secretive about injuries, baffling tactics, hoof ball etc etc.
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Post by BrightonGas on Mar 13, 2021 10:23:42 GMT
Reading the Walsall forum they hate and despise DC, I mean really, really despise him. They can't believe they've actually received compo for him from Port Vale and are laughing their socks off and are busy telling Vale fans what they can expect. The Walsall fans were sick and tired of DC's 'projects' and the constant team changes, unbelievable substitutions and in-match formation changes. They were also baffled by his secretiveness regarding injuries and angered at his bombastic interviews and the way he constantly interrupted the interviewer. They also commented that J Clarke and The Beard were 2 of the worst players ever to play for them, and were in hysterics when DC said his squad at Port Vale was better than his Walsall squad and they couldn't wait to point out that he spent 2 years building his squad. They had also got totally fed up with him banging on about his coaching medals. Sound familiar? I just wonder how it all went so wrong, from the Comference and L2 sides to what he left us with. Very, very sad. Vale fans are even now starting to question DC, constant team changes, secretive about injuries, baffling tactics, hoof ball etc etc. Sometimes things don't always turn out how you expect.....sound familiar?
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 13, 2021 10:40:10 GMT
Loved DC and FWIW: In his first few months with us he was lucky to survive, going down when we shouldn’t and after Braintree he was fortunate not to lose his job. But the board kept their nerve and we recovered and his new team bedded in and it came good. Gasheads are an emotional bunch and he got better and better. In League 2 we were poor in the Autumn, couldn’t win at home but again got better and had some good fortune and were swept along to that great day against D/R. But when his team started to fracture and move on he was never able to recruit better players than he lost. It seemed to be his Achilles heel, recruiting players as good as those he lost. In 2018 it all caught up with him and recruitment was awful. Not sure that it was all his fault but as manager he carried the can. It’s not unusual, Chris Wilder, a top, top manager suffered the same this week. Lots of other managers have been the same. Good luck at PV but I fear that DC is depending on past glories with us rather than anything more recent. I don’t usually worry about what other fans say but as Oldgas said the Walsall fans hate him as much as we love him. There’s usually a reason for that. UTG!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 10:53:38 GMT
Whether DC has lost his managerial touch or not remains to be seen as its early days at Port Vale and he didn’t actually do that bad at Walsall. Early this season they were in the running for the playoffs and it’s only in the last month or so that they’ve hit an inconsistent run of form and fallen away....
DC was magnificent for us and so we’re Sincs and James Clarke during their time and that’s what counts - have players and managers at their prime.
For all those people who criticise ‘the project’ approach - JB and all our managers as well as most I’ve seen interviewed from other clubs always talk about it only being about the next game, the next project and never look too far ahead or dwell on the past - just focus on how to try and win the next game.
Re substitutions, fans are fickle - if the game isn’t going your way or you want to change something or create a spark or reaction or even look to solidify etc, subs need to be made. It’s also extremely important to maintain and use the squad this season to mitigate fatigue or burn out. No one other than the coaching staff really know what condition players are in, how fatigued they are, whether they are playing through injury etc and if you’re 1-0 down with 10 to go, you don’t always have to put a forward on - could be defenders to change shape, could be midfielders to try to get more being created, could be a different player to try and stimulate more energy.
Re injuries I’ve always felt it was right to not disclose as you don’t want to give oppositions any unnecessary advantages and if they know you’re injury positions that have time to be able to react to that.
So, for me DC was and should be respected as the fantastic manager he was for us. It doesn’t matter about other clubs - we should view him on how he performed with us
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Post by oldgas on Mar 13, 2021 10:55:13 GMT
Reading the Walsall forum they hate and despise DC, I mean really, really despise him. They can't believe they've actually received compo for him from Port Vale and are laughing their socks off and are busy telling Vale fans what they can expect. The Walsall fans were sick and tired of DC's 'projects' and the constant team changes, unbelievable substitutions and in-match formation changes. They were also baffled by his secretiveness regarding injuries and angered at his bombastic interviews and the way he constantly interrupted the interviewer. They also commented that J Clarke and The Beard were 2 of the worst players ever to play for them, and were in hysterics when DC said his squad at Port Vale was better than his Walsall squad and they couldn't wait to point out that he spent 2 years building his squad. They had also got totally fed up with him banging on about his coaching medals. Sound familiar? I just wonder how it all went so wrong, from the Comference and L2 sides to what he left us with. Very, very sad. Vale fans are even now starting to question DC, constant team changes, secretive about injuries, baffling tactics, hoof ball etc etc. Sometimes things don't always turn out how you expect.....sound familiar? If you're referring to the appointment of Garner then I'm afraid I never had very high hopes for him. It seemed like we were putting a college kid in charge of the 4th year remedial class abnd expecting grade A passes at A level. GC was more of a surprise to me, I never expected him to be so successful and couldn't understand the antipathy towards him. I was at Ipawich for his last game and we were brilliant and I thought we were going places with him. I was gutted when he left and couldn't understand the jubilation on here. Turned to rat sh1t since hasn't it? Lets hope Joey can be a combination of the great parts of DC and GC. That would do me.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 13, 2021 11:18:20 GMT
Whether DC has lost his managerial touch or not remains to be seen as its early days at Port Vale and he didn’t actually do that bad at Walsall. Early this season they were in the running for the playoffs and it’s only in the last month or so that they’ve hit an inconsistent run of form and fallen away.... DC was magnificent for us and so we’re Sincs and James Clarke during their time and that’s what counts - have players and managers at their prime. For all those people who criticise ‘the project’ approach - JB and all our managers as well as most I’ve seen interviewed from other clubs always talk about it only being about the next game, the next project and never look too far ahead or dwell on the past - just focus on how to try and win the next game. Re substitutions, fans are fickle - if the game isn’t going your way or you want to change something or create a spark or reaction or even look to solidify etc, subs need to be made. It’s also extremely important to maintain and use the squad this season to mitigate fatigue or burn out. No one other than the coaching staff really know what condition players are in, how fatigued they are, whether they are playing through injury etc and if you’re 1-0 down with 10 to go, you don’t always have to put a forward on - could be defenders to change shape, could be midfielders to try to get more being created, could be a different player to try and stimulate more energy. Re injuries I’ve always felt it was right to not disclose as you don’t want to give oppositions any unnecessary advantages and if they know you’re injury positions that have time to be able to react to that. So, for me DC was and should be respected as the fantastic manager he was for us. It doesn’t matter about other clubs - we should view him on how he performed with us Definitely. It’s results based. Yes, DC made a lot of in-game changes for us but in the most part they worked. At the end it became a stick to beat him with once the results were not going our way. Garner and Tisdale went the other way and were far too safe with substitutions, which rarely had any positive effect on the game. They were obviously criticised for it too because results were poor. With injuries it’s the modern way. Why give an edge to your opponents? Small margins and everything. I hope DC gets himself back on track. You’re right that Walsall can’t be seen as a failure, albeit maybe it was slightly underwhelming. If he keeps Port Vale up and gets the chance to shape the squad his way then I can see him having more success.
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Post by doha2 on Mar 17, 2021 1:13:18 GMT
Got his first win tonight against 4th placed Newport while Smallsall are dropping like a stone. 6 pointer on Saturday against Colchester. Looking forward to binning this season off and seeing him build his own squad over the Summer under David Flitcroft's supervision and with the Shanahans generous funding. Just need to get out of this dreadful league!
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 17, 2021 9:09:32 GMT
Hope DC. brings you success , Doha, great memories of his days with the gas ! Utg 💙
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Mar 17, 2021 9:32:54 GMT
Hope DC. brings you success , Doha, great memories of his days with the gas ! Utg 💙 Never felt more connected to the club than during his time here. Great bunch of lads. The back to back promotions helped too!
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Post by mariobalotelli on Mar 20, 2021 21:00:26 GMT
Another win for DC today. PV fans very happy with the last two games, looks like DC finally getting them to play how he wants.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Mar 20, 2021 22:56:46 GMT
Really hope it works out for him at Port Vale . 👍
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Post by mariobalotelli on Apr 2, 2021 18:11:16 GMT
4 wins in a row for DC, against some good teams too.
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Post by doha2 on Apr 5, 2021 16:15:33 GMT
5 now!
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Apr 5, 2021 16:18:50 GMT
What a guy!
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