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Post by stevek192 on Feb 21, 2021 0:38:34 GMT
The problem is that Harries,Kilgour and Baldwin are all slow and for their size are not good in the air.All three unfortunately play well for 85 minutes but the other 5 minutes whenever it occurs is a bloody disaster.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 21, 2021 9:16:11 GMT
TW claims otherwise but lets not let the truth alter a Gaschat fact. What truth? So with the benefit of hindsight he said that but didn’t hear this mentioned before even in his November interview? Show me the part when asked about his summer recruitment did he say we’ve actually shorted ourselves out in the experienced striker department? TW claims he disagreed with BG that 3 strikers were sufficient, if BG was going down the inexperienced route not sure there's anyway TW could sign say Pitman and then say "there you go play him" forget this inexperienced nonsense. TW is getting grief for a direction BG decided to take the club, I assume with Wael's full support. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 21, 2021 9:20:23 GMT
The problem is that Harries,Kilgour and Baldwin are all slow and for their size are not good in the air.All three unfortunately play well for 85 minutes but the other 5 minutes whenever it occurs is a bloody disaster. Akinda beat us on the ground with a simple turn for the first goal, I sense the real issue is they are not good enough or simply can't concentrate for a full game, hence why Baldwin was playing in L2 last season and Harries in U23 football, perhaps with a leader like Craig or even Davis they would have helped them cut out the mistakes. |
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Post by blueridge on Feb 21, 2021 9:26:17 GMT
The problem is that Harries,Kilgour and Baldwin are all slow and for their size are not good in the air.All three unfortunately play well for 85 minutes but the other 5 minutes whenever it occurs is a bloody disaster. Add Ehmer to that list and he's even slower. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 21, 2021 9:30:14 GMT
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Post by herbertblake on Feb 21, 2021 9:46:48 GMT
Akinde scored against us in the Conference season way back on 2014 and clearly this type of physical striker we should have signed. Hanlan, Daly and Ayunga are given time able to score but their lack of physical presence and indeed our defenders lack physical presence for the hurly burly of league one.
This needs resolving.
Tommy has a role to play in ensuring this results in better signings. I would not expect any chief scout to get every signing right but there are many poor examples in our squad.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Feb 21, 2021 9:55:12 GMT
But yet again two big boots from the opposition and our CHs couldn’t deal with them. It happens time and time again. Must be soul destroying for everyone It makes me wonder what the point is in us starting with three CBs, really. If you’re gonna have Kilgour/Baldwin/Harries getting beaten by straightforward balls over/through them, then surely we may as well just have two back there and put another man in midfield instead. |
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 21, 2021 10:10:52 GMT
But yet again two big boots from the opposition and our CHs couldn’t deal with them. It happens time and time again. Must be soul destroying for everyone It makes me wonder what the point is in us starting with three CBs, really. If you’re gonna have Kilgour/Baldwin/Harries getting beaten by straightforward balls over/through them, then surely we may as well just have two back there and put another man in midfield instead. Agree. But we actually defended well except for that few minutes and I guess the second goal was when we were chasing. But it counts for nothing if we can’t defend a ball through when the defenders are there to deal with it. Lost concentration, poor play? I don’t know a combination of both I guess. UTG! |
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Post by Langford Gas on Feb 21, 2021 10:42:29 GMT
The problem is that Harries,Kilgour and Baldwin are all slow and for their size are not good in the air.All three unfortunately play well for 85 minutes but the other 5 minutes whenever it occurs is a bloody disaster. Absolutely agree with this, all three are good enough but not together, really need a no nonsense commanding centre back in between the two of them, and unfortunately i don't think Ehmer fits theat brief either |
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Post by bluegas on Feb 21, 2021 10:54:04 GMT
The problem is that Harries,Kilgour and Baldwin are all slow and for their size are not good in the air.All three unfortunately play well for 85 minutes but the other 5 minutes whenever it occurs is a bloody disaster. Akinda beat us on the ground with a simple turn for the first goal, I sense the real issue is they are not good enough or simply can't concentrate for a full game, hence why Baldwin was playing in L2 last season and Harries in U23 football, perhaps with a leader like Craig or even Davis they would have helped them cut out the mistakes. I thought the perceived wisdom was that we would be subjected to an aerial bombardment? The two goals and the penalty came from action on the ground (speaking from memory, so I might be wrong) so it wasn't our CBs aerial ability that let us down. Speed maybe, organisation probably. A Tony Craig badly needed. |
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 21, 2021 10:54:08 GMT
I do think that you need a solid base and personally feel that there is no point having three centre backs all with the same problems. I feel that Tony Craig made Kilgour look a far better player than he actually is by being a leader and carrying him through the game whereas Ehmer is not that type of player.Ehmer was playing in an experienced defence at Gillingham and just needed to concentrate on his game. I would go back to a basic back four and go for Williams Ehmer Baldwin and Leahy. If Ehmer isn't fit I would seriously consider playing Grant there and would consider that as a long term move.This would allow an extra midfielder.Ayunga and Hanlon for me up front with Daly on the bench. Midfield 4 Nicholson Oxtumer McCormick and Rodman. Perhaps we may even sign Ledley and have him in the middle!
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Post by legas on Feb 21, 2021 11:22:49 GMT
To put things in context (and apologies if already said) but I thought we looked the better side for long spells and but for an inch or two on any of the three occasions we hit the woodwork then we would be having a different discussion this morning.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Feb 21, 2021 11:48:03 GMT
To put things in context (and apologies if already said) but I thought we looked the better side for long spells and but for an inch or two on any of the three occasions we hit the woodwork then we would be having a different discussion this morning. Perhaps it’s an oversimplification, but for me it boiled down to Hanlan missing his 1v1 at 0-0, and Akinde taking his. |
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Feb 21, 2021 11:53:02 GMT
Just braved watching the highlights again and made me think we really need a defensive coach in lieu of better defenders. Both the goals and penalty highlight our deficiencies which other teams must be able to see. First goal we were too square at the back and left a big gap (inexcusable with 3 central defenders) for akinde to exploit. Penalty we were again too square and found ourselves not goal side, a regular problem this season. We had enough bodies there but lacking organisation (TC last season would have been doing that). Ok second goal was when we were looking for an equaliser but again eminently avoidable. Harries gets sucked towards the player who passes to akinde leaving him unmarked. Baldwin lets the passing player get away from him forcing Harries to come across. Again why are we leaving their centre forward unmarked? Apart from the odd worldie ever goal scored is due in part to an error somewhere by the opposition but we make it far too easy to penetrate our defence. That's why we need a better set up at the back. If we keep making the number of chances we did yesterday we will score goals but clean sheets mean at least a point and its a well known quote that successful teams start with a strong defence.
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Post by alanrg on Feb 21, 2021 11:54:07 GMT
The simple matter is we are not clinically enough in both boxes hence the record scored 27 conceded 46
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Post by Iliveinbidefordgas on Feb 21, 2021 12:02:38 GMT
Watched the game live and highlights even the most clinical fan can see we where unlucky there not to at least get a point ?
But unfortunately unlucky or not we got no points ! Have to take the positives out of game and move on can’t cry over split milk basically
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Feb 21, 2021 12:05:32 GMT
To put things in context (and apologies if already said) but I thought we looked the better side for long spells and but for an inch or two on any of the three occasions we hit the woodwork then we would be having a different discussion this morning. Perhaps it’s an oversimplification, but for me it boiled down to Hanlan missing his 1v1 at 0-0, and Akinde taking his. Yes - or McCormick scuffing a great chance (made by some fine work by Hanlan) just before Akinde’s opener. |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Feb 21, 2021 12:15:38 GMT
Perhaps it’s an oversimplification, but for me it boiled down to Hanlan missing his 1v1 at 0-0, and Akinde taking his. Yes - or McCormick scuffing a great chance (made by some fine work by Hanlan) just before Akinde’s opener. Yeah. We saw the good & bad of Hanlan yesterday. All-round play was great for most of the match. Fast, strong, tricky, direct - a real handful. But he had two very presentable chances to score, didn’t take them, and the other team’s #9 did. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 12:37:15 GMT
I do think that you need a solid base and personally feel that there is no point having three centre backs all with the same problems. I feel that Tony Craig made Kilgour look a far better player than he actually is by being a leader and carrying him through the game whereas Ehmer is not that type of player.Ehmer was playing in an experienced defence at Gillingham and just needed to concentrate on his game. I would go back to a basic back four and go for Williams Ehmer Baldwin and Leahy. If Ehmer isn't fit I would seriously consider playing Grant there and would consider that as a long term move.This would allow an extra midfielder.Ayunga and Hanlon for me up front with Daly on the bench. Midfield 4 Nicholson Oxtumer McCormick and Rodman. Perhaps we may even sign Ledley and have him in the middle! Have you seen much of Grant playing centre half? Had he played many league games in the centre of defence for Plymouth before being switched to centre midfield? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 12:43:29 GMT
What truth? So with the benefit of hindsight he said that but didn’t hear this mentioned before even in his November interview? Show me the part when asked about his summer recruitment did he say we’ve actually shorted ourselves out in the experienced striker department? TW claims he disagreed with BG that 3 strikers were sufficient, if BG was going down the inexperienced route not sure there's anyway TW could sign say Pitman and then say "there you go play him" forget this inexperienced nonsense. TW is getting grief for a direction BG decided to take the club, I assume with Wael's full support. Interviewer: “Are there the goals in this team to stay up” Widdrington: “100%” |
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