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Post by kampucheagas on Feb 24, 2021 14:37:54 GMT
The team isnt terrible, just lacks eperience, and a proven goalscorer. So we’re not terrible apart from having no leaders, no experience and no goalscorer? Not too many issues to iron out then! |
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Post by Gassy on Feb 24, 2021 14:43:03 GMT
The team isnt terrible, just lacks eperience, and a proven goalscorer. So we’re not terrible apart from having no leaders, no experience and no goalscorer? Not too many issues to iron out then! I honestly believe a fit Jaakola and 2/3 strong, experienced additions to the squad and we’d be pretty good. Without them though, it’s terrible. |
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 24, 2021 16:40:20 GMT
I'm inclined to agree but your talking about 4 key players short. Sure, if we had Anssi, Craig and JCH we would be higher up the league. But we haven't and nobody in this squad has stepped up to become a key player. They are all capable of playing well in the odd match (eg the Portsmouth game) but only sustain that level of performance in the occassional game.
This squad is demonstrably weaker than last season's as evidenced by the league table. If we have the annual clear out of players in the summer (again) it will be interesting to see where they end up. A few of them would be OK L1 players in a good team with plenty of leaders around them. It's just that we've collected a load of lambs that need shepherding.
I bet teams must love playing against us. That is the one thing I find upsetting.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 24, 2021 17:19:21 GMT
I'm inclined to agree but your talking about 4 key players short. Sure, if we had Anssi, Craig and JCH we would be higher up the league. But we haven't and nobody in this squad has stepped up to become a key player. They are all capable of playing well in the odd match (eg the Portsmouth game) but only sustain that level of performance in the occassional game. This squad is demonstrably weaker than last season's as evidenced by the league table. If we have the annual clear out of players in the summer (again) it will be interesting to see where they end up. A few of them would be OK L1 players in a good team with plenty of leaders around them. It's just that we've collected a load of lambs that need shepherding. I bet teams must love playing against us. That is the one thing I find upsetting. Absolutely. We just played one of the worst teams in the league at home and lost. Wigan didn't have to play well, they didn't even have set out for the win or try very hard....and they still go away with 3 points. If you can't win at home against a side like that with a new manager to impress, you have to wonder where the points will come from especially when training days are so scarce with playing Sat-Tue-Sat. Im resigning myself to the very real possibility of L2 again next season. Feel sorry for Barton I think we've wasted his time by appointing an outsider for a seemingly impossible job. |
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Post by theduke on Feb 24, 2021 17:31:33 GMT
Hanlan is a talent, but has so much to learn. I think he will go on to be a very good player, but needs a lot of work on the training ground.
I don't think the wants to be "the man" so to speak, he's somebody who wants to play off somebody else. Due to his size, he's been miscast in leading the line but he needs to have a foil.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 24, 2021 19:25:54 GMT
I worry that Joey is pinning his hopes on Hanlan. Hanlan is a player I rate but his finishing is one of the weaker parts of his game. He's also not in great form. I have confidence that all our forward players are capable of scoring but I don't have confidence in any of them being prolific.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 24, 2021 19:30:48 GMT
I worry that Joey is pinning his hopes on Hanlan. Hanlan is a player I rate but his finishing is one of the weaker parts of his game. He's also not in great form. I have confidence that all our forward players are capable of scoring but I don't have confidence in any of them being prolific. Barton singled out our forward who can’t score at the moment and the two centre backs who can’t defend set pieces ...... for praise. I think this was purely to try and boost them a bit as he knows there’s no one he can bring in at this time to replace them. |
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Post by pucklegas on Feb 24, 2021 20:32:03 GMT
I worry that Joey is pinning his hopes on Hanlan. Hanlan is a player I rate but his finishing is one of the weaker parts of his game. He's also not in great form. I have confidence that all our forward players are capable of scoring but I don't have confidence in any of them being prolific. Agree with Yatton he hasn't got a transfer window, out of contract is the only means of changing it up top. Ayunga with Hanlon behind or on one wing and Nicho the other is something I would look at. McCormick is looking our best attacking option at the moment, Turkish messi post covid seems off the pace maybe understandably. Trying to get some confidence into him. |
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Feb 25, 2021 7:06:54 GMT
I worry that Joey is pinning his hopes on Hanlan. Hanlan is a player I rate but his finishing is one of the weaker parts of his game. He's also not in great form. I have confidence that all our forward players are capable of scoring but I don't have confidence in any of them being prolific. Agree with Yatton he hasn't got a transfer window, out of contract is the only means of changing it up top. Ayunga with Hanlon behind or on one wing and Nicho the other is something I would look at. McCormick is looking our best attacking option at the moment, Turkish messi post covid seems off the pace maybe understandably. Trying to get some confidence into him. Would like to see that front three. Brandon looks far more comfortable out wide running at people than he does trying to hold the ball up. Think we'd create more chances with him out wide of a 3. |
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 25, 2021 9:09:53 GMT
When you say the team is weaker than last season I am not sure that you are strictly correct as without the first half of the season under Coughlan we would have been relegated as the results after Christmas were3 barely better than this seasons results. In fact if you stuck JCH in this current team I would say it would have had a chance with a top 10 finish because although we have lost a hell ofa lot of games there has been a fine line in most of them where we have had a lot of chances where JCH would have put them away and we probably would have turned as lot of games.
I honestly think that most supporters at the very start of the season could see there were not enough goals in this team but could not foresee the regular errors that the defence would be making. If supporters could see there were not many goals in the side then why couldn't the Manager and coaches? I blame Tisdale as well for not bringing in at least one striker and if we go down (which I think is very likely) then the blame will lie at the January window when other teams around us improved and we didn't.
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Post by kampucheagas on Feb 25, 2021 9:17:44 GMT
When you say the team is weaker than last season I am not sure that you are strictly correct as without the first half of the season under Coughlan we would have been relegated as the results after Christmas were3 barely better than this seasons results. In fact if you stuck JCH in this current team I would say it would have had a chance with a top 10 finish because although we have lost a hell ofa lot of games there has been a fine line in most of them where we have had a lot of chances where JCH would have put them away and we probably would have turned as lot of games. I honestly think that most supporters at the very start of the season could see there were not enough goals in this team but could not foresee the regular errors that the defence would be making. If supporters could see there were not many goals in the side then why couldn't the Manager and coaches? I blame Tisdale as well for not bringing in at least one striker and if we go down (which I think is very likely) then the blame will lie at the January window when other teams around us improved and we didn't. Incredible wasn’t it? Wael is now paying about 5 managers, endless coaches. endless players like Barrett, Tutonda, Koiki, who were not needed, and no one was mentioning in his ear that the wisest investment might well be a goalscorer? Can you imagine owning a business and seeing the outgoings going on literally nothing at all? Really hope Wael learns the lessons of this disaster. It might well mean a complete clear out of the imbeciles offering him their advice. Unfortunately we will probably have to start again from the basement. UTG |
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 25, 2021 9:27:50 GMT
In truth I do put a lot of blame on JCH as well because players have short memories- in many ways he was worse than Matty Taylor (other than he didn't go to City) because he had a year left on his contract and IMO as we "saved" him from being a very ordinary bench player into a first team regular. He could easily have behaved like Lambert and signed a new contract- the club deserved that rather than to be pressurised into selling him.There is little doubt in my mind that had he stayed he would have had another good season and at the end of this season have joined at least a Championship club.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 25, 2021 9:28:38 GMT
I find it amazing that people don't think Tisdale was desperate for an established striker just because he wasn't whining about not having one in every post-match interview (until he did, and pretty much got sacked for it).
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 25, 2021 9:39:13 GMT
Tisdale was holding out for the impossible instead of setting his targets on a possible. All strikers that were so say on his list would have signed early on in the window if they had WANTED to play for us. The further the window went on ,the results got worse and worse so come the window end we were a team facing relegation rather than at the start of the window where we had games in hand and the chance of a top half of the table finish. We needed to go in January for a JCH type of player that was not on clubs radar and surprised we didn't if TW had been working two or three windows ahead.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 25, 2021 9:49:58 GMT
Tisdale was holding out for the impossible instead of setting his targets on a possible. All strikers that were so say on his list would have signed early on in the window if they had WANTED to play for us. The further the window went on ,the results got worse and worse so come the window end we were a team facing relegation rather than at the start of the window where we had games in hand and the chance of a top half of the table finish. We needed to go in January for a JCH type of player that was not on clubs radar and surprised we didn't if TW had been working two or three windows ahead. That doesn't make any sense at all. JCH came to us on the last day of the window. By your logic he was impossible to sign coz he didn't roll up at the Mem with his boots on on the first of Jan. |
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Post by RD on Feb 25, 2021 9:50:40 GMT
Tisdale was holding out for the impossible instead of setting his targets on a possible. All strikers that were so say on his list would have signed early on in the window if they had WANTED to play for us. The further the window went on ,the results got worse and worse so come the window end we were a team facing relegation rather than at the start of the window where we had games in hand and the chance of a top half of the table finish. We needed to go in January for a JCH type of player that was not on clubs radar and surprised we didn't if TW had been working two or three windows ahead. But that's exactly the problem Steve. Widdrington works three windows ahead, meaning his targets were identified 3 years ago! You can just see it now. Tis: "Widders - I need a striker! Ideally someone strong and powerful who can finish" TW: "No problem Paul! I work 3 windows ahead for this very reason - there's nobody in the game better prepared than me!" *** Phone rings *** Receptionist: "Hello, Bradford City Football Club, how may I help?" TW: "Put me through to the owner please" Receptionist: "Please hold" TW: "Hi. We'd like to put in an offer for Charlie Wyke please. Name your price - money is no object for our owner these days." Bradford Owner: "What?" TW: "We want Wyke - name your price." Bradford Owner: "But he left for Sunderland 3 years ago?" TW: "Ah. Riiiiight. Sorry about that." *** Hangs up phon e*** *** Flicks through black book *** TW: "Maybe I'll try and look up this Jamie Vardy chap. Seems to be doing a good job in non-league." |
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 25, 2021 11:08:34 GMT
Me and pirate were having a yarn yesterday via WhatsApp, and he identified that Marc Pugh was available on a free transfer.
After a bit of stat looking between us (sceptism from me as well I will add) that it was a player who was available and who could play wide and up top and exacty the sort of foil that Hanlan would need. In fact you could argue that playing Ayunga at the top with Hanlan and Pugh would give you a great attacking front 3.
Hanlan has been playing mostly as the target man, but thats not his natural game, despite being our number 9. He is better off the shoulder of a big man IMO dragging defenders wide and creating space using his footwork to draw fouls and pens as well as finishing.
Nicholson when free could revert to a more wide midfield role.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Feb 25, 2021 11:25:32 GMT
Tisdale was holding out for the impossible instead of setting his targets on a possible. All strikers that were so say on his list would have signed early on in the window if they had WANTED to play for us. The further the window went on ,the results got worse and worse so come the window end we were a team facing relegation rather than at the start of the window where we had games in hand and the chance of a top half of the table finish. We needed to go in January for a JCH type of player that was not on clubs radar and surprised we didn't if TW had been working two or three windows ahead. But that's exactly the problem Steve. Widdrington works three windows ahead, meaning his targets were identified 3 years ago! You can just see it now. Tis: "Widders - I need a striker! Ideally someone strong and powerful who can finish" TW: "No problem Paul! I work 3 windows ahead for this very reason - there's nobody in the game better prepared than me!" *** Phone rings *** Receptionist: "Hello, Bradford City Football Club, how may I help?" TW: "Put me through to the owner please" Receptionist: "Please hold" TW: "Hi. We'd like to put in an offer for Charlie Wyke please. Name your price - money is no object for our owner these days." Bradford Owner: "What?" TW: "We want Wyke - name your price." Bradford Owner: "But he left for Sunderland 3 years ago?" TW: "Ah. Riiiiight. Sorry about that." *** Hangs up phon e*** *** Flicks through black book *** TW: "Maybe I'll try and look up this Jamie Vardy chap. Seems to be doing a good job in non-league." 3 windows is not 3 years though. The list of potential targets for Jan this year would probably have been identified within the last 12-14 months and continually monitored over that time. Recruitment isn't helped with constant managerial changes and different player requirements from each one. Cogs wanted battlers, BG wanted young technical players, Tis wanted a mix and JB will want his preferred style of player. Stability over a sustained period of time is required for the 3 windows ahead model to work properly which is something we definitely haven't had over the last few years. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 25, 2021 11:44:53 GMT
I'm inclined to agree but your talking about 4 key players short. Sure, if we had Anssi, Craig and JCH we would be higher up the league. But we haven't and nobody in this squad has stepped up to become a key player. They are all capable of playing well in the odd match (eg the Portsmouth game) but only sustain that level of performance in the occassional game. This squad is demonstrably weaker than last season's as evidenced by the league table. If we have the annual clear out of players in the summer (again) it will be interesting to see where they end up. A few of them would be OK L1 players in a good team with plenty of leaders around them. It's just that we've collected a load of lambs that need shepherding. I bet teams must love playing against us. That is the one thing I find upsetting. Absolutely. We just played one of the worst teams in the league at home and lost. Wigan didn't have to play well, they didn't even have set out for the win or try very hard....and they still go away with 3 points. If you can't win at home against a side like that with a new manager to impress, you have to wonder where the points will come from especially when training days are so scarce with playing Sat-Tue-Sat. Im resigning myself to the very real possibility of L2 again next season. Feel sorry for Barton I think we've wasted his time by appointing an outsider for a seemingly impossible job. Joey had plenty of time to look at the games and assess the squad and took the job. He would have easily got a job in league 1 if he had waited around for a bit. He obviously thinks it is possible. This is what gives me hope. Be honest, we dominated several games we’ve lost. We are more than capable in football terms. It genuinely is ironing out mistakes and fluffs in front of goal. It’s confidence as well. Question is, if Barton fails and we go down, does he stay? He’s not going to be hot property following relegation. He may well stay and try to get us promoted. The way we are now with ownsership situation, training ground etc we are much more set up for league one and I think we would be stronger in that league than we were before. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 25, 2021 12:00:55 GMT
Absolutely. We just played one of the worst teams in the league at home and lost. Wigan didn't have to play well, they didn't even have set out for the win or try very hard....and they still go away with 3 points. If you can't win at home against a side like that with a new manager to impress, you have to wonder where the points will come from especially when training days are so scarce with playing Sat-Tue-Sat. Im resigning myself to the very real possibility of L2 again next season. Feel sorry for Barton I think we've wasted his time by appointing an outsider for a seemingly impossible job. Joey had plenty of time to look at the games and assess the squad and took the job. He would have easily got a job in league 1 if he had waited around for a bit. He obviously thinks it is possible. This is what gives me hope. Be honest, we dominated several games we’ve lost. We are more than capable in football terms. It genuinely is ironing out mistakes and fluffs in front of goal. It’s confidence as well. Question is, if Barton fails and we go down, does he stay? He’s not going to be hot property following relegation. He may well stay and try to get us promoted. The way we are now with ownsership situation, training ground etc we are much more set up for league one and I think we would be stronger in that league than we were before. Agree with everything you said. Tisdale had the time and budget in the Jan window to strengthen the spine of the team, and he failed. People will blame TW for it too, but his job is to present available targets based on the managers requirements. Tis also got strung along by Stockley, when, in reality, he should have had a striker signed and sealed within the first week, if that wasnt to be Stockley, then we should have gone after someone else. With Nicholson injured, we should have gone after 2 signings. I think that Baldwin and Ehmer have been massive disappointments based on their history and reputations at previous clubs, the expectation was that these were upgrades on Craig and Menayese, which they should rightly be, however on current form, either of our 2 released players would walk into the current team and tighten up the defence. We have enjoyed controlling spells in games in the middle and wide areas of the park and in fact, in possession we look fairly decent, but the issues have always been the same, a loss of concentration at the back, not clearing our lines properly, sitting too deep, the final ball not going into the box or being a poorly delivered ball or simply not reading real time situations to take advantage of or press the opposition defence. The one player I would like to see back in the game is Josh Hare, people said he couldnt defend, but he is no worse than Leahy or Williams has been and yet he is one of the best deliverers of the ball into the box from the right we have. I said months ago that pairing him with Rodman could be the same as when we had Monky and Brown in the conference. The elder statesmen guiding the younger dynamo. Rodman did ok Tuesday, won more in the air than we have previously in that area as well as getting his foot on the ball and bringing others into play. I think Barton will keep us up and even if he didnt, we need to keep him on regardless next season to rebuild. |
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