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Post by francegas on Mar 10, 2021 13:16:04 GMT
Back on topic: A few things I can’t really figure out, so excuse me if it’s obvious to some. Why broadcast this at all at this time. They’re banging on about insensitivity within the royal household but they do just that, at a time when his grandfather is lying very seriously ill in hospital and his grandmother is probably worried sick about his condition and knowing full well the ramifications this was going to have. Personally I wouldn’t expect this in any family let alone broadcasting it to tens millions of people in trying to seemingly gain imo the moral high ground. The so-called racist remark was clearly made by someone very close to Harry (one of two people imo). Why would Harry, knowing the fragility of his wife’s mind set at the time, relate that message to her, knowing full well the upset it would cause her.  An untrue analogy - a bit like my brother saying to me - you’re wife’s got a fat arse - would I go and tell her that if I knew it would upset her - no I’d have it out with him there and then. It was their decision to move to a $14.5 million mansion in California - how can they reasonable expect the Privy Purse (the taxpayer) to pay for their full time security over 5000 miles away? Personally I thought the broadcast was cynical,(Meghan was an actor apparently) sickly and unnecessary - the perceived problems should of been kept within the confines of the family, Sadly it appears to me that irreparable damage has been done particularly to Harry and his family. Meghan had few if any family ties to damage already being estranged from her father and I believe from her sister. I think Meghan has come out of this extremely well,she’s actually a far better actress than she was previously given credit for. Well it is oscar season. She must be up for a nomination after her performance. |
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Post by peterparker on Mar 10, 2021 13:23:00 GMT
I think Meghan has come out of this extremely well,she’s actually a far better actress than she was previously given credit for. Well it is oscar season. She must be up for a nomination after her performance. I don't know whether Meghan was lying or not about feeling suicidal and it's dangerous for people like Piers Morgan to say that, because there is only one way to prove him wrong. If she was self harming for instance, there would probably be some people who would still call her fake, or say it was all for show if she whipped out cut marks on her arms. |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 10, 2021 13:42:36 GMT
Well it is oscar season. She must be up for a nomination after her performance. I don't know whether Meghan was lying or not about feeling suicidal and it's dangerous for people like Piers Morgan to say that, because there is only one way to prove him wrong. If she was self harming for instance, there would probably be some people who would still call her fake, or say it was all for show if she whipped out cut marks on her arms. I agree re her mental health issues,what I can't get my head around is did she ask the Palace medical team for help and They refused,I would be amazed. If so I assume Harry would have been all over it and we would have known about this a long time ago,if she didn't ask for help and assuming she confided in Harry then what did they think would happen. Easy for her/him to through a pebble in the pond knowing that it's impossible for the Palace to reply without revealing confidential data. |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 10, 2021 13:50:26 GMT
My Grandfather was on the beaches at Dunkirk and I recall some of his memories that he relayed to me. He was a Captain in the Royal Engineers at the time and had a number of men under his command. He told me of the constant bombings by the German airforce of the beach and seeing many men blown to bits and others losing limbs. Some things he saw and did a bit too graphic to post. He ensured that all men under his command got safely onto boats. When it came to him there were no boats left. He had two decisions either to become a POW or swim. He chose to swim so he took off his boots and jacket put a photo of mum who was a baby in his trouser pocket and swam. He was a very accomplished swimmer and got half way across when he was picked up by a British destroyer. There is an old black and white film based on Dunkirk which ends with a lone swimmer being picked by a destroyer and my Grandfather always said that was based on him. I never had the heart to say he probably wasn't the only one who took the decision to swim. But I was immensely proud of him. Back to the point, I think if I had said to him the Germans let you all escape he would have been highly offended as would anyone who experienced it. Fantastic story and your grandfather was a brave man. I'm talking about the war on the whole though, not the story of individuals that we can relate to. The war is far more complex than the stories we are told. In what way is it more complex? ? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 15:13:55 GMT
Fantastic story and your grandfather was a brave man. I'm talking about the war on the whole though, not the story of individuals that we can relate to. The war is far more complex than the stories we are told. In what way is it more complex? ? Christ, don't have the time or inclination to go right in to it here really, there are thousands of books written on the subject... But different people use different narratives of the same war for their own means. Look at recent wars in the middle East over the last 30 years, they are linked and there are hundreds of not thousands of events that lead to them. Basically, it can't be surmised in a film, news article or persons story. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 10, 2021 15:37:19 GMT
I think Meghan has come out of this extremely well,she’s actually a far better actress than she was previously given credit for. Well it is oscar season. She must be up for a nomination after her performance. So by calling her an actress and performing for the cameras and I guess you’re inferring she’s telling lies , you’re also saying Harry is a liar and acting . Interesting take , a bloke who went to war for this country as well. Edit: I always know I’ve hit the mark when ‘Eric’ dislikes my post 😉 |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 10, 2021 16:44:18 GMT
In what way is it more complex? ? Christ, don't have the time or inclination to go right in to it here really, there are thousands of books written on the subject... But different people use different narratives of the same war for their own means. Look at recent wars in the middle East over the last 30 years, they are linked and there are hundreds of not thousands of events that lead to them. Basically, it can't be surmised in a film, news article or persons story. Oh right, simply it was a war that if ever an ideology and people had to be defeated it was Hitler and Nazism, if you think it was more complex or there was a hidden conspiracy then fine . |
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Post by francegas on Mar 10, 2021 17:30:18 GMT
Well it is oscar season. She must be up for a nomination after her performance. So by calling her an actress and performing for the cameras and I guess you’re inferring she’s telling lies , you’re also saying Harry is a liar and acting . Interesting take , a bloke who went to war for this country as well. Edit: I always know I’ve hit the mark when ‘Eric’ dislikes my post 😉 I've never really had a problem with Harry. Since he has got with Meghan look what's happened to him and his family. She has a history of falling out with family which was evident by only her Mother being at her wedding. Inciting racism because Archie wasn't given a title was bang out of order considering he wouldn't be given a title until such time as Charles becomes King. Inrespect of Harry hasn't he been called out for calling an army colleague a p**i, for calling Taliban insurgents ragheads and when younger wearing a swastika on his arm. Yet his response has been there's no malice intended to his colleague and its army banter calling the Taliban ragheads. However for all we know what could have been an innocent no malice intended comment to him about Archie is blown out of proportion and now the Royal family are looked upon as racist around the world. Why didn't Harry sort the comment out at the time with the individual rather than tell his wife knowing it would upset her. Inrespect of her state of mind at the time did she inform Harry. Are you seriously telling me that if Harry approached senior Royals and said he was getting help for his wife they would have banned him. After all he must have some clout as he's been able to step down from Royal duties, moved his family to the other side of the world and air his dirty laundry in public but he was unable to get help for Meghan? I'm not dismissing her mental health issues (been there got the t-shirt) but Harry has to take some blame for her not receiving any help. With paying security why should the UK fund security for them when it's their choice to live overseas and step down from their duties....do you believe they should be funded? They say they want a quiet life away from the media yet undertake an interview with Oprah, issue official photos when it suits. I would have more respect for them if they did what they wanted, sorted family issues privately and quietly got on with the life they demanded. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 10, 2021 18:02:53 GMT
So by calling her an actress and performing for the cameras and I guess you’re inferring she’s telling lies , you’re also saying Harry is a liar and acting . Interesting take , a bloke who went to war for this country as well. Edit: I always know I’ve hit the mark when ‘Eric’ dislikes my post 😉 I've never really had a problem with Harry. Since he has got with Meghan look what's happened to him and his family. She has a history of falling out with family which was evident by only her Mother being at her wedding. Inciting racism because Archie wasn't given a title was bang out of order considering he wouldn't be given a title until such time as Charles becomes King. Inrespect of Harry hasn't he been called out for calling an army colleague a p**i, for calling Taliban insurgents ragheads and when younger wearing a swastika on his arm. Yet his response has been there's no malice intended to his colleague and its army banter calling the Taliban ragheads. However for all we know what could have been an innocent no malice intended comment to him about Archie is blown out of proportion and now the Royal family are looked upon as racist around the world. Why didn't Harry sort the comment out at the time with the individual rather than tell his wife knowing it would upset her. Inrespect of her state of mind at the time did she inform Harry. Are you seriously telling me that if Harry approached senior Royals and said he was getting help for his wife they would have banned him. After all he must have some clout as he's been able to step down from Royal duties, moved his family to the other side of the world and air his dirty laundry in public but he was unable to get help for Meghan? I'm not dismissing her mental health issues (been there got the t-shirt) but Harry has to take some blame for her not receiving any help. With paying security why should the UK fund security for them when it's their choice to live overseas and step down from their duties....do you believe they should be funded? They say they want a quiet life away from the media yet undertake an interview with Oprah, issue official photos when it suits. I would have more respect for them if they did what they wanted, sorted family issues privately and quietly got on with the life they demanded. Can you imagine for just a second what the tabloids would of made of Meghan seeking help for mental health issues ? No doubt the Royal Family could..... hence why they may of said we can’t have this getting out , so just grin and bear it , stiff upper lip , carry on etc . No the uk shouldn’t fund his security but the Royal Family should do , he’s a terrorist target and even more so after serving his country in a war..... he was born a target and will always be one as will his wife and kids for evermore. His wife has been vilified in the tabloids ( Mail , Sun , Express) , you just have to compare similar events and how they were portrayed between Meghan & Kate . Look up the Advocado or the flowers news articles and tell me one wasn’t treated unfairly compared to the other. yes Harry has been a bit of a dick in his younger days but weren’t we all , the Nazi uniform a prime example. As he’s grown though he’s matured , he said in the interview it wasn’t until he got with his wife that he really started to notice the prejudices around ( he should of been aware before) . why shouldn’t they have a right of reply and put out their side of things? They couldn’t when a part of the firm . im sure you and most others if they felt they’d gotten a rough deal from the media would want a right to put their side of the story . |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 10, 2021 18:39:41 GMT
I've never really had a problem with Harry. Since he has got with Meghan look what's happened to him and his family. She has a history of falling out with family which was evident by only her Mother being at her wedding. Inciting racism because Archie wasn't given a title was bang out of order considering he wouldn't be given a title until such time as Charles becomes King. Inrespect of Harry hasn't he been called out for calling an army colleague a p**i, for calling Taliban insurgents ragheads and when younger wearing a swastika on his arm. Yet his response has been there's no malice intended to his colleague and its army banter calling the Taliban ragheads. However for all we know what could have been an innocent no malice intended comment to him about Archie is blown out of proportion and now the Royal family are looked upon as racist around the world. Why didn't Harry sort the comment out at the time with the individual rather than tell his wife knowing it would upset her. Inrespect of her state of mind at the time did she inform Harry. Are you seriously telling me that if Harry approached senior Royals and said he was getting help for his wife they would have banned him. After all he must have some clout as he's been able to step down from Royal duties, moved his family to the other side of the world and air his dirty laundry in public but he was unable to get help for Meghan? I'm not dismissing her mental health issues (been there got the t-shirt) but Harry has to take some blame for her not receiving any help. With paying security why should the UK fund security for them when it's their choice to live overseas and step down from their duties....do you believe they should be funded? They say they want a quiet life away from the media yet undertake an interview with Oprah, issue official photos when it suits. I would have more respect for them if they did what they wanted, sorted family issues privately and quietly got on with the life they demanded. Can you imagine for just a second what the tabloids would of made of Meghan seeking help for mental health issues ? No doubt the Royal Family could..... hence why they may of said we can’t have this getting out , so just grin and bear it , stiff upper lip , carry on etc . No the uk shouldn’t fund his security but the Royal Family should do , he’s a terrorist target and even more so after serving his country in a war..... he was born a target and will always be one as will his wife and kids for evermore. His wife has been vilified in the tabloids ( Mail , Sun , Express) , you just have to compare similar events and how they were portrayed between Meghan & Kate . Look up the Advocado or the flowers news articles and tell me one wasn’t treated unfairly compared to the other. yes Harry has been a bit of a dick in his younger days but weren’t we all , the Nazi uniform a prime example. As he’s grown though he’s matured , he said in the interview it wasn’t until he got with his wife that he really started to notice the prejudices around ( he should of been aware before) . why shouldn’t they have a right of reply and put out their side of things? They couldn’t when a part of the firm . im sure you and most others if they felt they’d gotten a rough deal from the media would want a right to put their side of the story . Sorry don't buy your first paragraph,the Palace have a full quota off DR'S etc are you telling me that Meghan would need permission from a courtier to see them,don't think so. If that did happen what did Harry do about it,f..k all it seems ,it's just not credible. They aren't replying to anything just make accusations that cannot be substantiated and they know members of the Royal family cannot reply to ,cowardly I call it. More than happy for them to challenge the media but to air private matters in public ..... |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 10, 2021 18:45:52 GMT
Can you imagine for just a second what the tabloids would of made of Meghan seeking help for mental health issues ? No doubt the Royal Family could..... hence why they may of said we can’t have this getting out , so just grin and bear it , stiff upper lip , carry on etc . No the uk shouldn’t fund his security but the Royal Family should do , he’s a terrorist target and even more so after serving his country in a war..... he was born a target and will always be one as will his wife and kids for evermore. His wife has been vilified in the tabloids ( Mail , Sun , Express) , you just have to compare similar events and how they were portrayed between Meghan & Kate . Look up the Advocado or the flowers news articles and tell me one wasn’t treated unfairly compared to the other. yes Harry has been a bit of a dick in his younger days but weren’t we all , the Nazi uniform a prime example. As he’s grown though he’s matured , he said in the interview it wasn’t until he got with his wife that he really started to notice the prejudices around ( he should of been aware before) . why shouldn’t they have a right of reply and put out their side of things? They couldn’t when a part of the firm . im sure you and most others if they felt they’d gotten a rough deal from the media would want a right to put their side of the story . Sorry don't buy your first paragraph,the Palace have a full quota off DR'S etc are you telling me that Meghan would need permission from a courtier to see them,don't think so. If that did happen what did Harry do about it,f..k all it seems ,it's just not credible. They aren't replying to anything just make accusations that cannot be substantiated and they know members of the Royal family cannot reply to ,cowardly I call it. More than happy for them to challenge the media but to air private matters in public ..... Do you also think Harry is a liar 🤥? |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 10, 2021 18:54:33 GMT
Sorry don't buy your first paragraph,the Palace have a full quota off DR'S etc are you telling me that Meghan would need permission from a courtier to see them,don't think so. If that did happen what did Harry do about it,f..k all it seems ,it's just not credible. They aren't replying to anything just make accusations that cannot be substantiated and they know members of the Royal family cannot reply to ,cowardly I call it. More than happy for them to challenge the media but to air private matters in public ..... Do you also think Harry is a liar 🤥? I have no idea if he is,what I do know is that in highly emotional situations misunderstandings occur. So Harry said his father cut him of financiallly,Charles aide stated yesterday that wasn't correct indeed Charles had gone out of his way to support him. Harry says his father didn't answer his calls,quantiFYI it ,how many,over what period have they spoken since. It's easy to throughout an accusation much more difficult to substantiate it and the truth may be somewhere in between. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 10, 2021 18:59:39 GMT
Do you also think Harry is a liar 🤥? I have no idea if he is,what I do know is that in highly emotional situations misunderstandings occur. So Harry said his father cut him of financiallly,Charles aide stated yesterday that wasn't correct indeed Charles had gone out of his way to support him. Harry says his father didn't answer his calls,quantiFYI it ,how many,over what period have they spoken since. It's easy to throughout an accusation much more difficult to substantiate it and the truth may be somewhere in between. Do you believe Meghan when she says she felt suicidal? |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 10, 2021 19:02:56 GMT
I have no idea if he is,what I do know is that in highly emotional situations misunderstandings occur. So Harry said his father cut him of financiallly,Charles aide stated yesterday that wasn't correct indeed Charles had gone out of his way to support him. Harry says his father didn't answer his calls,quantiFYI it ,how many,over what period have they spoken since. It's easy to throughout an accusation much more difficult to substantiate it and the truth may be somewhere in between. Do you believe Meghan when she says she felt suicidal? I have no reason to doubt her feelings. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 10, 2021 19:09:45 GMT
Do you believe Meghan when she says she felt suicidal? I have no reason to doubt her feelings. But you doubt the other stuff she and Harry said ? |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 10, 2021 19:14:05 GMT
I have no reason to doubt her feelings. But you doubt the other stuff she and Harry said ? Yep because already it's being contradicted so why would they be the only people who speak the truth??. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 10, 2021 19:21:49 GMT
But you doubt the other stuff she and Harry said ? Yep because already it's being contradicted so why would they be the only people who speak the truth??. What’s contradicted .... explain ? |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 10, 2021 19:23:50 GMT
Yep because already it's being contradicted so why would they be the only people who speak the truth??. What’s contradicted .... explain ? See my post just now where Harrys claim his father had cut him off financially contradicted by an aide of Charles To broaden this think about what their motivation was,why now,who's got the most to gain,what's the gradual drip drip of info all about. If you are serious why make a soap opera of it,doesn't add up to me. |
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Post by yattongas on Mar 10, 2021 19:26:48 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Mar 10, 2021 19:27:37 GMT
So you are saying Harry is lying .....
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