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Post by eastgas on Mar 10, 2021 23:09:30 GMT
Tbf I know Hanlan has gone off the boil lately (maybe overworked and suffering with injury) but he definitely has the potential to go on to be a successful striker at the gas and move on for a good fee in the future. He has the raw attributes which make a good striker but he needs work on his touch and if we can get the right coaching into him that will come
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Post by Qatar Gas on Mar 11, 2021 4:54:51 GMT
The GK issue is a tricky one. Many teams at this level just get by with a youth/development keeper on the bench as the first choice is often able to get through the season playing every game. Then in the worst case scenario where he gets injured, the team can just get another keep in on loan (including an emergency loan outside of the window)
The problem with Anssi is that he always misses a handful of games through internationals each season and he has spent the best part of half this season out injured and would have been half of last season if the season continued. So you do need someone to come in and be ready to play in his absence. Would Day be happy being a back up keeper? Playing when Anssi is away on international duty, playing in the pizza cup etc? He would probably get at least 10 games a season and more if Anssi's injury problems continue.
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Post by Fat Albert on Mar 11, 2021 8:04:33 GMT
The GK issue is a tricky one. Many teams at this level just get by with a youth/development keeper on the bench as the first choice is often able to get through the season playing every game. Then in the worst case scenario where he gets injured, the team can just get another keep in on loan (including an emergency loan outside of the window) The problem with Anssi is that he always misses a handful of games through internationals each season and he has spent the best part of half this season out injured and would have been half of last season if the season continued. So you do need someone to come in and be ready to play in his absence. Would Day be happy being a back up keeper? Playing when Anssi is away on international duty, playing in the pizza cup etc? He would probably get at least 10 games a season and more if Anssi's injury problems continue. I don’t think Day is as bad as some on here say. Made a few errors for sure but also has been playing behind a defence shipping goals for fun most of the time. Looked at fault for Accy goal the other night but let’s be honest the TV angle was crap, so hard to say what actually happened? Jak has been very good but it wouldn’t bother me to see Joe in goal if his injury drags on. It’s funny thing, but when the defence improves the goal keeper also seems to improve, who would have thought it... UTG
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Post by warwickgas on Mar 11, 2021 8:08:25 GMT
I expect Annssi to drop out of the Finland squad. Whilst he was out with the shoulder injury they called up a young keeper as a replacement who may well keep his place in the squad
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Post by Qatar Gas on Mar 11, 2021 8:46:32 GMT
The GK issue is a tricky one. Many teams at this level just get by with a youth/development keeper on the bench as the first choice is often able to get through the season playing every game. Then in the worst case scenario where he gets injured, the team can just get another keep in on loan (including an emergency loan outside of the window) The problem with Anssi is that he always misses a handful of games through internationals each season and he has spent the best part of half this season out injured and would have been half of last season if the season continued. So you do need someone to come in and be ready to play in his absence. Would Day be happy being a back up keeper? Playing when Anssi is away on international duty, playing in the pizza cup etc? He would probably get at least 10 games a season and more if Anssi's injury problems continue. I don’t think Day is as bad as some on here say. Made a few errors for sure but also has been playing behind a defence shipping goals for fun most of the time. Looked at fault for Accy goal the other night but let’s be honest the TV angle was crap, so hard to say what actually happened? Jak has been very good but it wouldn’t bother me to see Joe in goal if his injury drags on. It’s funny thing, but when the defence improves the goal keeper also seems to improve, who would have thought it... UTG Day is a decent league one keeper which makes me think he wouldn't be interested in signing just to be back up to Anssi. I think we have gotten to used to having a very good keeper at this level so when someone else comes in and makes a mistake they get labeled as rubbish.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 11, 2021 10:19:57 GMT
Couple of thoughts on the GK situation and of course some stats.
Annssi (age 34) 2017-2019 @ Reading played 20 matches, kept 3 cleans and conceded 32. That's 3.95 saves per match, 0.15 clean sheets per match and 1.6 goals conceded per match 2019-2021 @ The Gas played 34.13 matches, kept 10 cleans and conceded 44. That's 2.93 saves per match, 0.29 clean sheets per match and 1.29 goals conceded per match
Joe Day (age 30) 2019-2021 @afc Wimbledon and The Gas has played 23 matches, has kept 5 cleans and conceded 39. That's 2.74 saves per match, 0.22 clean sheets per match and 1.70 goals conceded per match
Jordi Van Stappershoef (age 25) 2019-2021 @ The Gas has played 9.88 matches, kept 3 clean sheets and conceded 19. That's 2.83 saves per match, 0.3 clean sheets per match and 1.92 goals conceded per match
Players that have previously played at The Gas and I believe would be available in the summer on a free:
Jack Bonham (age 27) 2019-2021 @ Gillingham has played 66.37 matches, kept 19 clean sheets and conceded 76. That's 2.77 saves per match, 0.29 clean sheets per match and 1.15 goals conceded per match.
Joe Lumley (age 26) 2018-2021 @ QPR has played 71 matches, kept 18 clean sheets and conceded 108. That's 2.55 saves per match, 0.25 clean sheets per match and 1.52 goals conceded per match.
2020-2021 @ Gillingham and Doncaster has played 10 matches, kept 2 clean sheets and conceded 11. That's 2.1 saves per match, 0.20 clean sheets per match and 1.10 goals conceded per match.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 11, 2021 16:07:38 GMT
Found this data on GK saves in League One matches interesting. I know the role of a keeper comes down to a lot more than saves per match and I guess if you have a high save rate the team is somewhat under the cosh but still.... UT-JvS
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 11, 2021 19:43:56 GMT
Same nonsense got said about Ellis. When Hanlan leaves for £1m you'll be moaning we didn't get enough. I can guarantee that no one will pay a mlion quid for hanlan. Guarantee it.. I was absolutely over the moon when Ipswich were stupid enough to pay what they did for Ellis Harrison. Look what a flop his career has been since then. We snapped their hand off when they gave us 750k for Harrison and rightly so Harrison is playing regularly for Portsmouth and is probably on at least double the wages he was on with us, his career has hardly flopped since he last us. Do you actually follow L1 football or just like to post childish comments for effect?
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Post by graceyboy on Mar 11, 2021 20:47:01 GMT
I can guarantee that no one will pay a mlion quid for hanlan. Guarantee it.. I was absolutely over the moon when Ipswich were stupid enough to pay what they did for Ellis Harrison. Look what a flop his career has been since then. We snapped their hand off when they gave us 750k for Harrison and rightly so Harrison is playing regularly for Portsmouth and is probably on at least double the wages he was on with us, his career has hardly flopped since he last us. Do you actually follow L1 football or just like to post childish comments for effect? Omfg... Do you just like to troll people? I posted that two days ago. What is your problem? He's a striker. Look at his goalscoring record. You are clueless
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 11, 2021 21:04:58 GMT
Harrison is playing regularly for Portsmouth and is probably on at least double the wages he was on with us, his career has hardly flopped since he last us. Do you actually follow L1 football or just like to post childish comments for effect? Omfg... Do you just like to troll people? I posted that two days ago. What is your problem? He's a striker. Look at his goalscoring record. You are clueless Do you really think I choose you to troll? Anyway posted "22 hours ago" is not two days ago, unless you're days are only 12 hours long. Just because Harrison isn't scoring goals doesn't mean his career's "flopped" but you clearly have a better way of judging strikers than either Barton or Jacket.
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Post by graceyboy on Mar 11, 2021 21:30:26 GMT
Omfg... Do you just like to troll people? I posted that two days ago. What is your problem? He's a striker. Look at his goalscoring record. You are clueless Do you really think I choose you to troll? Anyway posted "22 hours ago" is not two days ago, unless you're days are only 12 hours long. Just because Harrison isn't scoring goals doesn't mean his career's "flopped" but you clearly have a better way of judging strikers than either Barton or Jacket. Jesus wept, you're clearly bored so I will indulge you... Ellis did OK for us in an elliot Richards type way. He's carved out a respectable career as a lower league journeyman. Good for him. If it wasn't for him, towards the end of our conference season, we would not have gone straight back up. I thought he was OK for us. We got I believe, 750k for him which was a lot of money when you consider cureton left us for 250k. I believe Ipswich thought they were getting something that Ellis was never going to be and they off loaded him soon after when he flopped for them. Pompey signed him and if you ask their fans about him they will probably say he's a decent squad player but nothing more. I've seen a lot of great strikers at our club over the past 35 years including Randall, white, Penrice, Saunders, Stewart, hayles, cureton, Roberts etc and believe me, hanlan ain't one of them. As stated Ellis was OK but he wasn't one of them either. Maybe you've not followed football or rovers that long and your knowledge is limited and on your limited knowledge you believe that hanlan is decent. Well, I believe that strikers are paid to score goals and if they don't then I expect them to be off loaded. Hanlan, I accept, has been playing up front on his own a lot of the times this season which is tough and leads to a lot of donkey work with little reward goal opportunity wise. However, Ayunga has managed it in the last few games and weighed in with goals. He plays they way a striker must play if up top on his own which is with his back to goal, bringing others from midfield into play by getting them to run on past him, hold the ball up with strength and win headers, all things that hanlan seems unable to do. He's a headless chicken that runs up blind allies and appears to have littke football intelligence about how to play up front on his own. It feels really condescending to have to explain how football works to you topper but with your clearly limited knowledge of the game, is a necessary evil unfortunately. Blimey, talk about having to waste 20 minutes explaining the freaking obvious. Good luck with playing football manager tonight
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Post by graceyboy on Mar 11, 2021 21:40:21 GMT
Maybe some on here think that Tom Nichols and brandon hanlan are value for money for us but I disagree if they don't score which is what they get paid to do. We are in a precarious position and the season has been a disaster. We all love the club and if we aren't doing very well then most of us will come up with observations and suggestions as to how we can improve because that is what we are desperate for. If things are going wrong then of course those comments are going to be negative. I say most people on here play by those rules but there are a few who rather than come up with suggestions themselves, merely read others suggestions and try and bad mouth those suggestions or pick the bones out of them in a pedantic way rather than put up a counter argument or a different opinion. These people are just wasting their posts with nothing constructive to add and waste everyone's time. To those people. Please bore off
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 11, 2021 22:39:02 GMT
Bloody hell del
I think that Hanlan has a future. Reminds me of the Jason Robert’s that first arrived. He fell over a lot. I recall a sending off of his that was basically him falling down and taking the defender with him. In time I could see Hanlan become a Robert’s type player.
Hanlans career before Rovers was a winger, this is why he is prone to attempting to take his man on when facing goal and perhaps why he isn’t so strong at the hold up play. I believe it to be the club and coaching that hasn’t quite been playing to his strengths for most of the season which has made him appear weaker in a typical number 9 role.
Ayunga on the other hand has been brought up and coached as that number 9 so of course will seem more natural and is coming good for us thankfully
I believe both have the ability to get 15-20 goals a season when playing in roles that compliment their strengths.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 11, 2021 23:06:06 GMT
Ps.
Warning explicit lyrics on the backing music. Not mine just saw it and thought o would share
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Post by orgasmic on Mar 11, 2021 23:11:51 GMT
Do you really think I choose you to troll? Anyway posted "22 hours ago" is not two days ago, unless you're days are only 12 hours long. Just because Harrison isn't scoring goals doesn't mean his career's "flopped" but you clearly have a better way of judging strikers than either Barton or Jacket. Jesus wept, you're clearly bored so I will indulge you... Ellis did OK for us in an elliot Richards type way. He's carved out a respectable career as a lower league journeyman. Good for him. If it wasn't for him, towards the end of our conference season, we would not have gone straight back up. I thought he was OK for us. We got I believe, 750k for him which was a lot of money when you consider cureton left us for 250k. I believe Ipswich thought they were getting something that Ellis was never going to be and they off loaded him soon after when he flopped for them. Pompey signed him and if you ask their fans about him they will probably say he's a decent squad player but nothing more. I've seen a lot of great strikers at our club over the past 35 years including Randall, white, Penrice, Saunders, Stewart, hayles, cureton, Roberts etc and believe me, hanlan ain't one of them. As stated Ellis was OK but he wasn't one of them either. Maybe you've not followed football or rovers that long and your knowledge is limited and on your limited knowledge you believe that hanlan is decent. Well, I believe that strikers are paid to score goals and if they don't then I expect them to be off loaded. Hanlan, I accept, has been playing up front on his own a lot of the times this season which is tough and leads to a lot of donkey work with little reward goal opportunity wise. However, Ayunga has managed it in the last few games and weighed in with goals. He plays they way a striker must play if up top on his own which is with his back to goal, bringing others from midfield into play by getting them to run on past him, hold the ball up with strength and win headers, all things that hanlan seems unable to do. He's a headless chicken that runs up blind allies and appears to have littke football intelligence about how to play up front on his own. It feels really condescending to have to explain how football works to you topper but with your clearly limited knowledge of the game, is a necessary evil unfortunately. Blimey, talk about having to waste 20 minutes explaining the freaking obvious. Good luck with playing football manager tonight Personally I enjoyed your lecture explaining how football works. It was an excellent sequel to you adding Tom Parkes and Alefe Santos to your shopping list of players who would improve the current squad. I for 1 am excited at the prospect of Part 3!
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 12, 2021 0:39:08 GMT
graceyboy, neither enjoyed or took your post seriously. I think Joey Barton has far greater knowledge than any of us and if he sees Hanlon as a 15 goal a season striker then that is good enough for me. I thinkj you may well find that in a couple of years we could well be talking about Ayunga and Hanlan as good strikers. Hanlan has scored some good goals this season and I am sure that he will improve immensely under the coaching of the new regime here.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 12, 2021 6:20:36 GMT
Maybe some on here think that Tom Nichols and brandon hanlan are value for money for us but I disagree if they don't score which is what they get paid to do. We are in a precarious position and the season has been a disaster. We all love the club and if we aren't doing very well then most of us will come up with observations and suggestions as to how we can improve because that is what we are desperate for. If things are going wrong then of course those comments are going to be negative. I say most people on here play by those rules but there are a few who rather than come up with suggestions themselves, merely read others suggestions and try and bad mouth those suggestions or pick the bones out of them in a pedantic way rather than put up a counter argument or a different opinion. These people are just wasting their posts with nothing constructive to add and waste everyone's time. To those people. Please bore off Comparing Hanlan to Nichols just shows how little you know about Rovers, in fact it does make you wonder if even watch us play, if you put them in the same bracket. As far as naming players we should sign, what does that actually achieve, do you think TW or JB reads the forum in order to see what players Graceyboy is suggesting they should sign? Regardless hopefully the new management set up as got a longer list than just ex Rovers players/previous targets.
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Post by Quarters on Mar 12, 2021 8:24:53 GMT
Do you really think I choose you to troll? Anyway posted "22 hours ago" is not two days ago, unless you're days are only 12 hours long. Just because Harrison isn't scoring goals doesn't mean his career's "flopped" but you clearly have a better way of judging strikers than either Barton or Jacket. Jesus wept, you're clearly bored so I will indulge you... Ellis did OK for us in an elliot Richards type way. He's carved out a respectable career as a lower league journeyman. Good for him. If it wasn't for him, towards the end of our conference season, we would not have gone straight back up. I thought he was OK for us. We got I believe, 750k for him which was a lot of money when you consider cureton left us for 250k. I believe Ipswich thought they were getting something that Ellis was never going to be and they off loaded him soon after when he flopped for them. Pompey signed him and if you ask their fans about him they will probably say he's a decent squad player but nothing more. I've seen a lot of great strikers at our club over the past 35 years including Randall, white, Penrice, Saunders, Stewart, hayles, cureton, Roberts etc and believe me, hanlan ain't one of them. As stated Ellis was OK but he wasn't one of them either. Maybe you've not followed football or rovers that long and your knowledge is limited and on your limited knowledge you believe that hanlan is decent. Well, I believe that strikers are paid to score goals and if they don't then I expect them to be off loaded. Hanlan, I accept, has been playing up front on his own a lot of the times this season which is tough and leads to a lot of donkey work with little reward goal opportunity wise. However, Ayunga has managed it in the last few games and weighed in with goals. He plays they way a striker must play if up top on his own which is with his back to goal, bringing others from midfield into play by getting them to run on past him, hold the ball up with strength and win headers, all things that hanlan seems unable to do. He's a headless chicken that runs up blind allies and appears to have littke football intelligence about how to play up front on his own. It feels really condescending to have to explain how football works to you topper but with your clearly limited knowledge of the game, is a necessary evil unfortunately. Blimey, talk about having to waste 20 minutes explaining the freaking obvious. Good luck with playing football manager tonight Ellis has stated he realises he is not a 20 goal a season man, he is there to help create, link play and grab some goals. Their manager must see something in his play which enhances the team.
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Post by lympstonegas on Mar 12, 2021 12:08:57 GMT
I wonder if Joey could prise Madden from Fleetwood- we are probably 5 years too late but I have always wished we signed him
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Post by graceyboy on Mar 12, 2021 12:10:48 GMT
graceyboy, neither enjoyed or took your post seriously. I think Joey Barton has far greater knowledge than any of us and if he sees Hanlon as a 15 goal a season striker then that is good enough for me. I thinkj you may well find that in a couple of years we could well be talking about Ayunga and Hanlan as good strikers. Hanlan has scored some good goals this season and I am sure that he will improve immensely under the coaching of the new regime here. I guess we'll see. I'm more concerned about the here and now. Constantly playing a striker who adds nothing to the team, least of all goals (what he gets paid for) plus a shambolic defence means that we were obviously going to struggle this season. The club hasn't got time to waste to see if he becomes decent in a couple of years if were not in lge 1 or worse still, the football league then.
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