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Post by keygas on Mar 11, 2021 11:29:30 GMT
Agree Zains quality has started to come to the fore since JB ‘s appointment, I am sure all our midfielders will learn & improve their game considering Joey was a premiership midfielder . IMHO Zain reminds me of a younger Chris Lines with his passing & set piece abilities, let’s hope he goes on & have a long & similar career as Linesy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 11:34:15 GMT
ZW played well under Garner...was terrible under Tisdale, and has been excellent under Barton, at least in spells. I guess he plays well when the manager appreciates his skills and vision, and lets him play to those strengths. The challenge for ZW now (and indeed for the whole team) is to find consistency. The occasional good display has too often been followed by awful performances. I guess the Wimbledon game on Saturday will be a good indicator of whether high standards can be maintained. I think that consistency is being found due to “big guy up front” I think few managers have understood just how vital it is to have a guy who can hold the ball up - it’s so, so important and I’ve always been a fan of it. Hanlan for all his work cannot play this role currently. Hanlan spends a lot of the time going down for FK which are never given. He looks ace on the ball, running. He’s a wing forward in my eyes, or, if he sticks a stone in in the gym, he can be a 9. Poor Hanlan, he was asked to do a role he isn’t physically cut out for yet all year. I think with Hanlan it’s a technique rather than physical issue. He seems to struggle holding the ball up with his back to goal but when he does get the opportunity to turn and face up an opponent he looks as strong as an Ox. Perhaps he needs someone to coach him on the art of playing with his back to goal. I’m not sure we have that person on the coaching staff at the moment?
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 11, 2021 11:49:45 GMT
Westbrooke has been a microcosm of Rovers issues this season. A good player, slightly streaky, a bit lightweight but when the going is good looks very good. Another player benefiting from playing aside some experience and under a manager that allows him to play to his strengths.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 11, 2021 11:58:44 GMT
I think that consistency is being found due to “big guy up front” I think few managers have understood just how vital it is to have a guy who can hold the ball up - it’s so, so important and I’ve always been a fan of it. Hanlan for all his work cannot play this role currently. Hanlan spends a lot of the time going down for FK which are never given. He looks ace on the ball, running. He’s a wing forward in my eyes, or, if he sticks a stone in in the gym, he can be a 9. Poor Hanlan, he was asked to do a role he isn’t physically cut out for yet all year. I think with Hanlan it’s a technique rather than physical issue. He seems to struggle holding the ball up with his back to goal but when he does get the opportunity to turn and face up an opponent he looks as strong as an Ox. Perhaps he needs someone to coach him on the art of playing with his back to goal. I’m not sure we have that person on the coaching staff at the moment? Andy Mangan (part of JB's coaching staff) could be a useful coach for Hanlan... 109 career goals - might be able to get him into that other type of striker and let Ayunga be the no.9 type. Alternatively we play better or more useful balls to him which you can already see is happening under Barton. Mangs:
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 12:13:31 GMT
I think with Hanlan it’s a technique rather than physical issue. He seems to struggle holding the ball up with his back to goal but when he does get the opportunity to turn and face up an opponent he looks as strong as an Ox. Perhaps he needs someone to coach him on the art of playing with his back to goal. I’m not sure we have that person on the coaching staff at the moment? Andy Mangan (part of JB's coaching staff) could be a useful coach for Hanlan... 109 career goals - might be able to get him into that other type of striker and let Ayunga be the no.9 type. Alternatively we play better or more useful balls to him which you can already see is happening under Barton. Mangs: I don’t know much about Mangan other than he was a striker - was he someone who played off someone else, ran the channels or was he back to goal type of number 9? Hopefully he can help Hanlan and the other strikers. I think you are right about the type of ball played to him, in behind and down the sides would be a better match than hitting long balls in to his feet when static and back to goal. If playing a 4-3-3 would be a good fit for one of the wider attacking positions in the way Martial and Rashford are for Man Utd.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 11, 2021 12:19:45 GMT
Andy Mangan (part of JB's coaching staff) could be a useful coach for Hanlan... 109 career goals - might be able to get him into that other type of striker and let Ayunga be the no.9 type. Alternatively we play better or more useful balls to him which you can already see is happening under Barton. Mangs: I don’t know much about Mangan other than he was a striker - was he someone who played off someone else, ran the channels or was he back to goal type of number 9? Hopefully he can help Hanlan and the other strikers. I think you are right about the type of ball played to him, in behind and down the sides would be a better match than hitting long balls in to his feet when static and back to goal. If playing a 4-3-3 would be a good fit for one of the wider attacking positions in the way Martial and Rashford are for Man Utd. There were so many talks of square pegs in round holes under Tisdale but for majority of matches this season we have been lumping balls up to a player like you said is suited to a much different type of striker mould. I am really excited about our strikers and the future... especially Saturday against Wimbledon
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Post by yetigas on Mar 11, 2021 12:34:43 GMT
ZW played well under Garner...was terrible under Tisdale, and has been excellent under Barton, at least in spells. I guess he plays well when the manager appreciates his skills and vision, and lets him play to those strengths. The challenge for ZW now (and indeed for the whole team) is to find consistency. The occasional good display has too often been followed by awful performances. I guess the Wimbledon game on Saturday will be a good indicator of whether high standards can be maintained. I think that consistency is being found due to “big guy up front” I think few managers have understood just how vital it is to have a guy who can hold the ball up - it’s so, so important and I’ve always been a fan of it. Hanlan for all his work cannot play this role currently. Hanlan spends a lot of the time going down for FK which are never given. He looks ace on the ball, running. He’s a wing forward in my eyes, or, if he sticks a stone in in the gym, he can be a 9. Poor Hanlan, he was asked to do a role he isn’t physically cut out for yet all year. I like Hanlan a lot as he always puts in 100% effort and given a bit of space has a good shot. But you are right, moves often broke down because the ball was not controlled. Also, I swear Hanlan's studs are not long enough - he often seems to slip over and lose control!
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 11, 2021 12:36:20 GMT
Agree Zains quality has started to come to the fore since JB ‘s appointment, I am sure all our midfielders will learn & improve their game considering Joey was a premiership midfielder . IMHO Zain reminds me of a younger Chris Lines with his passing & set piece abilities, let’s hope he goes on & have a long & similar career as Linesy. A bit. Zain is more about clever passing and doesn’t have the driving runs of lines.
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Post by spiess1 on Mar 11, 2021 12:42:06 GMT
Ed ''just the 420 games in Champ/Lge 1'' - Upson. .....aka 'not good enough'.
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Post by chilly1883 on Mar 11, 2021 12:49:32 GMT
Agree Zains quality has started to come to the fore since JB ‘s appointment, I am sure all our midfielders will learn & improve their game considering Joey was a premiership midfielder . IMHO Zain reminds me of a younger Chris Lines with his passing & set piece abilities, let’s hope he goes on & have a long & similar career as Linesy. A bit. Zain is more about clever passing and doesn’t have the driving runs of lines. Hanlans goal against Shrewsbury, would suggest Zain definitely has the capability for driving runs, he needs to be picking the ball up in the right areas
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Post by axegas on Mar 11, 2021 13:38:51 GMT
Upson and Zain are both very good footballers and with Upson it is now at least three Managers who have selected him so he can';t be as bad as some are making out. At the end of the day we can all have opinions but the only one that matters at the moment is Joey Barton. I really felt that Kilgour should have been dropped after last Saturday but JB played him and he played very well. Long may it continue...but that is the test. I actually think that we have been pretty good since JB came in and could so easily have had a lot more points All managers pick Upson and the drop him when the confirm for themselves what the previous manager dropped him for. I agree that on his day, Upson is a very good footballer for this division, sadly his day isn’t that often anymore. Coughlan and DC never dropped Upson and they were the most successful managers out of the lot. He gets us on the ball, works hard and provides a good defensive screen for the defence. I think he’s underrated actually and I hope we see him in the team over Grant going forward.
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Post by justin blue on Mar 11, 2021 14:06:03 GMT
Westbrooke has been a microcosm of Rovers issues this season. A good player, slightly streaky, a bit lightweight but when the going is good looks very good. Another player benefiting from playing aside some experience and under a manager that allows him to play to his strengths. Very well put Zain and most of the squad are technically good players when they are allowed to play to their strengths. Joey seemed to have done that Tuesday and we are starting to look like a decent team. Green shoots of recovery we hope, but one swallow doesn't make a summer and we need to keep it going Saturday.
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 11, 2021 14:42:57 GMT
The toughest game is always the next one and Wimbledon is a true 6 pointer and IMO we need to target at least 6 points from the next 4 games with Wimbledon and Swindon being the "best" ones to win. If we could beat Wimbledon on Saturday it could really give us the boost to get something at both Charlton and Plymouth.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 11, 2021 15:29:07 GMT
Visually I thought Westbrooke looked like he put a lot more effort in against Accrington then when I have seen him previously. There has never been any doubt about his potential but I don't think he's put enough in and you can't blame that solely on the manager. He has to take some of that on himself too. Now if he can get some consistency into his game he may prove to be a very good player.
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Post by CrispPusher on Mar 11, 2021 16:11:10 GMT
The minimum I expect is a bit of effort, which he has started putting in since Barton arrived and as he's our highest paid player I hope it continues.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Mar 11, 2021 17:50:10 GMT
ZW would look a good player in a good team. At Coventry he thrived but that team is much better than us. He doesn't strike me as a gutsy player and I hope that I'm not doing him a disservice. When we start to really dominate matches and play with a load of confidence ZW will flourish. Put succinctly, he needs better players around him. When that happens he will look a class act.
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Post by socrates on Mar 12, 2021 18:59:54 GMT
Agree Zains quality has started to come to the fore since JB ‘s appointment, I am sure all our midfielders will learn & improve their game considering Joey was a premiership midfielder . IMHO Zain reminds me of a younger Chris Lines with his passing & set piece abilities, let’s hope he goes on & have a long & similar career as Linesy. Agreed I thought from the first time I saw him that he reminds me of Lines and as this season has progressed he reminded me more and more of him the first time he was with us in that he is clearly a good player , great vision sweet pass, decent free kicks but doesn’t get stuck in or mark up. But since JB has been here he reminds me more of the Chris Lines we had that DC brought back ,does put more of a shift in and not jumping out of tackles as much. Don’t get me wrong that side of the game isn’t there’s but they have to work hard without the ball or they’re not keeping their place. Barton and DC wouldn’t have it any other way.
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