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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 10, 2021 20:24:05 GMT
So, were all unified and enjoying our latest win. That will never do, this is a football forum and debate, disagreements and the occasional threat to fill in another poster are the hallmarks of a vibrant forum.
While I would appreciate keeping threats of violence to a minimum, I will go out on a limb here and say I think ZW has been excellent recently since JB came here, and he deserved a little appreciation.
A goal and an assist last night, a great backheel to set up Rodman (can’t remember which game) and an assist for Hanlans goal v shrews.
I think he’s one of the most exciting talents we’ve had now we are seeing the best of him.
“Ducks”
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Post by dmacca65 on Mar 10, 2021 20:31:34 GMT
It was good to see him doing the hard work a part of his game we haven't seen a lot of until now! He also got between man and ball at one stage last night which shows real commitment for the cause, talks very well in interview also.
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Post by Jomo on Mar 10, 2021 20:43:23 GMT
I completely agree, he's been a revelation since JB came in. He's clearly been told to press and get stuck in, and to play further forward. He seems to be relishing his new role, and I do believe that if he continues in this vein, we will have an excellent player on our hands.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Mar 10, 2021 20:47:34 GMT
I have always liked Westbrooke and he got alot of stick when things weren't going well and totally dropped out the picture under Tisdale. He has always been a player that isn't scared to try a flick,trick,and creative pass and it's no coincidence that most of our better moves,goals and general good play has been when he has been in the side and played higher up the pitch or a free roll. Last night showed what a great signing he will be and under JB will be one of our most important players.
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Post by graceyboy on Mar 10, 2021 21:16:23 GMT
So, were all unified and enjoying our latest win. That will never do, this is a football forum and debate, disagreements and the occasional threat to fill in another poster are the hallmarks of a vibrant forum. While I would appreciate keeping threats of violence to a minimum, I will go out on a limb here and say I think ZW has been excellent recently since JB came here, and he deserved a little appreciation. A goal and an assist last night, a great backheel to set up Rodman (can’t remember which game) and an assist for Hanlans goal v shrews. I think he’s one of the most exciting talents we’ve had now we are seeing the best of him. “Ducks” He has definitely improved no question. I'm still not convinced by him and the jury is still out. I reckon he's going to be one of these infuriating players with loads of talent but only shows it in 1 game out of 10 and is anonymous in the other 9. For me he is far too lightweight and skinny and could do with putting some muscle on in the summer by hitting the gym
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Post by pucklegas on Mar 10, 2021 21:21:19 GMT
Has some great tricks, and last night was a joy to watch him flourishing, has been lambasted on here by a few, but in an advanced position if the flicks dont come off they re not costing us goals.
He played further forward for Cov and that is his best position.
Tearsdale dropped him and clearly evident Joey recognises the talent, compliments Josh Grant really well.
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Post by phillistine on Mar 10, 2021 21:50:06 GMT
Upson is often derided but he was great last night and barely misplaced a pass. He sat back and enabled bothe Westbrook and Mc Cormack to go forward
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Post by Qatar Gas on Mar 11, 2021 4:58:54 GMT
He is being played to his strengths, its as simple as that! I mentioned a few weeks ago that other managers were playing him as a typical ball winning or box to box center midfielder which he is not. I'm looking forward to seeing more of him in this role and he can really push on now.
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Post by yetigas on Mar 11, 2021 7:09:01 GMT
ZW played well under Garner...was terrible under Tisdale, and has been excellent under Barton, at least in spells. I guess he plays well when the manager appreciates his skills and vision, and lets him play to those strengths. The challenge for ZW now (and indeed for the whole team) is to find consistency. The occasional good display has too often been followed by awful performances. I guess the Wimbledon game on Saturday will be a good indicator of whether high standards can be maintained.
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 11, 2021 7:38:07 GMT
ZW played well under Garner...was terrible under Tisdale, and has been excellent under Barton, at least in spells. I guess he plays well when the manager appreciates his skills and vision, and lets him play to those strengths. The challenge for ZW now (and indeed for the whole team) is to find consistency. The occasional good display has too often been followed by awful performances. I guess the Wimbledon game on Saturday will be a good indicator of whether high standards can be maintained. I think that consistency is being found due to “big guy up front” I think few managers have understood just how vital it is to have a guy who can hold the ball up - it’s so, so important and I’ve always been a fan of it. Hanlan for all his work cannot play this role currently. Hanlan spends a lot of the time going down for FK which are never given. He looks ace on the ball, running. He’s a wing forward in my eyes, or, if he sticks a stone in in the gym, he can be a 9. Poor Hanlan, he was asked to do a role he isn’t physically cut out for yet all year.
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Post by playtowin on Mar 11, 2021 7:43:27 GMT
So, were all unified and enjoying our latest win. That will never do, this is a football forum and debate, disagreements and the occasional threat to fill in another poster are the hallmarks of a vibrant forum. While I would appreciate keeping threats of violence to a minimum, I will go out on a limb here and say I think ZW has been excellent recently since JB came here, and he deserved a little appreciation. A goal and an assist last night, a great backheel to set up Rodman (can’t remember which game) and an assist for Hanlans goal v shrews. I think he’s one of the most exciting talents we’ve had now we are seeing the best of him. “Ducks” As with all the players this can not be a blip. A blip because they have probably been told that those who dont perform dont play and those players will end up leaving. Leaving downwards ,if they can even find a club. JAB should have pointed to the ones who left last year and the fact they are in league two. That the players are literally playing to keep a career in football.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 7:59:14 GMT
So, were all unified and enjoying our latest win. That will never do, this is a football forum and debate, disagreements and the occasional threat to fill in another poster are the hallmarks of a vibrant forum. While I would appreciate keeping threats of violence to a minimum, I will go out on a limb here and say I think ZW has been excellent recently since JB came here, and he deserved a little appreciation. A goal and an assist last night, a great backheel to set up Rodman (can’t remember which game) and an assist for Hanlans goal v shrews. I think he’s one of the most exciting talents we’ve had now we are seeing the best of him. “Ducks” Like a couple of others across this season, Westbrooke has been targeted for continual criticism no matter what. Personally I think whilst he hadn’t set the world alight, he has played pretty well all season and that criticism has been unfair. He is clearly a talented and creative player and was brought in to help create opportunities but he seemed to get a rough deal for perceived lack of tackling or backing out of challenges and was called a luxury we couldn’t afford. I always felt that he did what he was brought in to do fairly well but in a low confidence team and an inexperienced front line, it wasn’t coming off. The formations often didn’t help. Since JB has come in I agree it looks like he’s stepped it up but I think that’s more down to a tweak in formation and JBs infectious man management improving confidence in the whole team so everyone is on the same wavelength now. The main difference I see is that he seems to be putting more 50/50 tackles in.... So I think he was good before but agree he’s been excellent since JBs arrival
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2021 8:13:34 GMT
Upson is often derided but he was great last night and barely misplaced a pass. He sat back and enabled bothe Westbrook and Mc Cormack to go forward I have absolutely been Upsons biggest critic for the last season or so and in many games he has been absent BUT last night he was brilliant. So I will definitely keep quiet for a few games at least. I think JB will get the best out of some of these players, for sure ZW / EU look like to have more purpose already and I sense Sam has a new bounce as well. Mix in big Jonah and we have a decent side led by an energetic and well voiced Luke Leahy.
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Post by chilly1883 on Mar 11, 2021 8:18:16 GMT
So, were all unified and enjoying our latest win. That will never do, this is a football forum and debate, disagreements and the occasional threat to fill in another poster are the hallmarks of a vibrant forum. While I would appreciate keeping threats of violence to a minimum, I will go out on a limb here and say I think ZW has been excellent recently since JB came here, and he deserved a little appreciation. A goal and an assist last night, a great backheel to set up Rodman (can’t remember which game) and an assist for Hanlans goal v shrews. I think he’s one of the most exciting talents we’ve had now we are seeing the best of him. “Ducks” agree totally with that, I’ve never thought anything else, he’s a great player, but it’s obvious he’s getting pretty clear messages from his manager now. He’s also playing in his right position, very clever footballer, he’s also putting in a proper shift. Long may it continue 👍🏽
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Post by GasAttacK on Mar 11, 2021 9:17:26 GMT
I've been critical of Westbrooke and I think there are clear weaknesses in his game that he can improve on.
He was poor under Garner and Tisdale, too often being asked to play deep. When he played that role he slowed the game down way too much.
However, he has looked much better in an advanced role and for the first time this season looks an important member of the team.
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 11, 2021 9:22:31 GMT
Upson is often derided but he was great last night and barely misplaced a pass. He sat back and enabled bothe Westbrook and Mc Cormack to go forward I have absolutely been Upsons biggest critic for the last season or so and in many games he has been absent BUT last night he was brilliant. So I will definitely keep quiet for a few games at least. I think JB will get the best out of some of these players, for sure ZW / EU look like to have more purpose already and I sense Sam has a new bounce as well. Mix in big Jonah and we have a decent side led by an energetic and well voiced Luke Leahy. This is the probelm with Upson though, he will dine out on that performance now and be utter toilet for the foreseeable. Thats why I'm his biggest critic, he lacks just the basics of consistency. With Lines, Cams, Dis, Mans and a few others we could name who played in the engine room, bad games were once every 10 games, you knew they would put their heart and soul in every time they were on. I cant say the same about that with Upson. With him its 10 bad games for every 1 good one and you never know which Upson is going to turn up.
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Mar 11, 2021 10:07:27 GMT
I've been a critic of Zain and the midfield in general, but JB really seems to have sorted us out in the middle of the park. Zain looks like a different player now and both him and mcormick close down quickly and win plenty of ball. Teams have nowhere near as much space in the middle of the park now. Hopefully the goal will help his confidence. We have to make sure we keep him involved during the game though as he's the sort of player that against certain teams the game might pass him by.
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Post by cheamgas on Mar 11, 2021 10:32:15 GMT
I've been a critic of Zain and the midfield in general, but JB really seems to have sorted us out in the middle of the park. Zain looks like a different player now and both him and mcormick close down quickly and win plenty of ball. Teams have nowhere near as much space in the middle of the park now. Hopefully the goal will help his confidence. We have to make sure we keep him involved during the game though as he's the sort of player that against certain teams the game might pass him by. Zain does cover a lot of ground and can defensively put himself in good positions. The problem is that he rarely actually makes a tackle and when we are on the backfoot it is a big problem and teams exploit it. When we are going forward and he is playing high up the pitch he is a very good player although is still too inconsistant for my liking. When on form a great player to watch.
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Post by stevek192 on Mar 11, 2021 11:03:07 GMT
Upson and Zain are both very good footballers and with Upson it is now at least three Managers who have selected him so he can';t be as bad as some are making out. At the end of the day we can all have opinions but the only one that matters at the moment is Joey Barton. I really felt that Kilgour should have been dropped after last Saturday but JB played him and he played very well. Long may it continue...but that is the test. I actually think that we have been pretty good since JB came in and could so easily have had a lot more points
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 11, 2021 11:05:04 GMT
Upson and Zain are both very good footballers and with Upson it is now at least three Managers who have selected him so he can';t be as bad as some are making out. At the end of the day we can all have opinions but the only one that matters at the moment is Joey Barton. I really felt that Kilgour should have been dropped after last Saturday but JB played him and he played very well. Long may it continue...but that is the test. I actually think that we have been pretty good since JB came in and could so easily have had a lot more points All managers pick Upson and the drop him when the confirm for themselves what the previous manager dropped him for. I agree that on his day, Upson is a very good footballer for this division, sadly his day isn’t that often anymore.
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