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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 18, 2021 9:01:30 GMT
I think you can see a massive lack of preparation pre-season under Garner started to take effect in January and we are being punished by Tisdale not strengthening enough in the Jan window.
Firstly we know players came back post lockdown in poor shape, JCH included. I’m not sure how we monitored players but it was clear there was some who let themselves go and they weren’t fit even after pre-season.
Injuries have really hurt us this year, Annsi, Rodman, Nicholson, Daly, Oztumer, together with Hanlan playing at 80% is killing any strength we do have.
Lack of experience and depth in the squad is another and a terrible Jan window has now meant we have no one to turn to.
JB is absolutely right when he says at 75 mins you are looking at the bench and thinking, who can I bring on to make an impact? I have to be honest, on Tuesday I was thinking exactly the same.
This is probably one of the worst squads at this level we have ever had. Even worse than when we had The likes of Regan and Wright.
I’m just praying we can stay up, clear out all the deadwood and rebuild with JB (porridge permitting) at the wheel and give us some stability.
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 18, 2021 9:41:53 GMT
This is probably one of the worst squads at this level we have ever had. Even worse than when we had The likes of Regan and Wright. I’m just praying we can stay up, clear out all the deadwood and rebuild with JB (porridge permitting) at the wheel and give us some stability. Oddly I still don't think the squad is that bad, it's merely the make up of the squad that has meant we're completely unbalanced. We signed three leftbacks in the summer, gave a fourth a new contract and a fifth who is now captain. To have five leftbacks contracted by the club and three strikers is utter insanity.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 18, 2021 10:00:23 GMT
This is probably one of the worst squads at this level we have ever had. Even worse than when we had The likes of Regan and Wright. I’m just praying we can stay up, clear out all the deadwood and rebuild with JB (porridge permitting) at the wheel and give us some stability. Oddly I still don't think the squad is that bad, it's merely the make up of the squad that has meant we're completely unbalanced. We signed three leftbacks in the summer, gave a fourth a new contract and a fifth who is now captain. To have five leftbacks contracted by the club and three strikers is utter insanity. I still think that somewhere along the line a deal went wrong or didn't go through. Leahy and Kelly out of contract in the summer would have left us with no LB/LWB's in 2021 so Kelly got a 1 year extension (maybe panic mode - probably cheap) Dave Tutonda impressed gets added early in the window - seems sensible - he looked good at first under BG, I love him - the management team now don't or he isn't fit. Ali Koiki - seems sensible if we can loan out Kelly or Sell Leahy - Looks like a beast! Fast and Strong, bit raw needs a bit of development - but probably a good price and young enough to not count toward the squad limit. Ryan Jones - played for WSM scouted my many a decent team, we landed him and loaned him straight back - sensible - one for the future - beat many to his signature... but now we signed 3 and didn't offload any. I reckon the plan at first was to loan out/sell Kelly and/or Leahy but that didn't happen Finally Kelly goes out to Yeovil and good luck to him. Leahy not phased by being dropped under BG has arguably his best attacking return reason in football after being brought back in by both PT and JB - unexpected - new contract? possibly - made that position his own - definitely! Not signing another proven / experienced Striker - an issue for sure. Posted Plymouth vs Us stats and Jephcott has 16 - that is the difference really, everything else is very similar. What ever happens to us in the last 11 games the summer is definitely not going to be a quiet window that's for sure.
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Post by Qatar Gas on Mar 18, 2021 10:30:57 GMT
This is probably one of the worst squads at this level we have ever had. Even worse than when we had The likes of Regan and Wright. I’m just praying we can stay up, clear out all the deadwood and rebuild with JB (porridge permitting) at the wheel and give us some stability. Oddly I still don't think the squad is that bad, it's merely the make up of the squad that has meant we're completely unbalanced. We signed three leftbacks in the summer, gave a fourth a new contract and a fifth who is now captain. To have five leftbacks contracted by the club and three strikers is utter insanity. We have some decent league one players. Anssi, Baldwin, Rodman, Nicholson, Westbrook etc. Unfortunately, some of these have been affected by injury. Davies is a decent league one defender when fit. We also have some potential promising players, Ayunga, Daley, Koki etc. The problem is from that list of decent players we all see where the missing position is and that has in turn cost us. Many people assume that you get relegated by conceding too many. Some of our previous relegations have been more to do with lack of goals.
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Mar 18, 2021 10:37:11 GMT
Just think, if we had ogogo on the bench to bring on, I reckon we would of got at least a point at Charlton
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 10:59:58 GMT
Oddly I still don't think the squad is that bad, it's merely the make up of the squad that has meant we're completely unbalanced. We signed three leftbacks in the summer, gave a fourth a new contract and a fifth who is now captain. To have five leftbacks contracted by the club and three strikers is utter insanity. I still think that somewhere along the line a deal went wrong or didn't go through. Leahy and Kelly out of contract in the summer would have left us with no LB/LWB's in 2021 so Kelly got a 1 year extension (maybe panic mode - probably cheap) Dave Tutonda impressed gets added early in the window - seems sensible - he looked good at first under BG, I love him - the management team now don't or he isn't fit. Ali Koiki - seems sensible if we can loan out Kelly or Sell Leahy - Looks like a beast! Fast and Strong, bit raw needs a bit of development - but probably a good price and young enough to not count toward the squad limit. Ryan Jones - played for WSM scouted my many a decent team, we landed him and loaned him straight back - sensible - one for the future - beat many to his signature... but now we signed 3 and didn't offload any. I reckon the plan at first was to loan out/sell Kelly and/or Leahy but that didn't happen Finally Kelly goes out to Yeovil and good luck to him. Leahy not phased by being dropped under BG has arguably his best attacking return reason in football after being brought back in by both PT and JB - unexpected - new contract? possibly - made that position his own - definitely! Not signing another proven / experienced Striker - an issue for sure. Posted Plymouth vs Us stats and Jephcott has 16 - that is the difference really, everything else is very similar. What ever happens to us in the last 11 games the summer is definitely not going to be a quiet window that's for sure. I think that Leahy was told he could look for another club at the start of the season, but chose to remain and fight for his place.
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Post by henry on Mar 18, 2021 11:06:38 GMT
Barton can have no excuses, he knows it’s individual mistakes which are costing us and if you look back at the charlton game all three could and should’ve been prevented. Day is a reasonable keeper but his positioning for the free kick was poor and their first was easy for any keeper to save. Kilgore was unfortunate as he got nothing on the ball. Take that away and the result would have been entirely different and no one would be calling the squad poor and saying Barton has a hopeless task, unlike Tisdale who was battling more than under performing players. He has got Rovers playing as a team but hasn’t got them to cut out individual mistakes which he identified very early on. Row Z needs to be used more often as well.
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 18, 2021 11:50:34 GMT
Completely agree.
Against Charlton we were 2 up.
Charlton started a bit of pressure.
23/24 teams in this league would have developed cramp at this point, slowed it down with a really long wait before a free kick.
We just kept playing and playing and inviting pressure .
Oxford were the worst I’ve seen. As soon as they got a goal they have tons of “injuries” around the 30 min mark to sap our energy.
It’s the missing piece for us. We are a bunch of mugs.
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 21, 2021 10:42:28 GMT
We're appalling at it, and it's costing us big time. I've looked at the numbers and we've conceded 18/56 goals in the five minutes before half time/full time, in injury time, within five minutes of scoring or a sending off. Charlton were one minute away from making that 19 yesterday with their 84th minute winner. That's 32% of the goals we've conceded at key times in matches. Now up to 19/58 and up to 33%. Great effort, Rovers.
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Post by hardingegas on Mar 22, 2021 0:05:28 GMT
How's this for a radical idea?
With the constant two games a week and with our relatively big squad the manager could have become the ultimate tinkerman and played two separate squads - squad A for the winnable games and squad B for the tough games where we don't expect any return.
Keeps the whole squad fit and players playing every seven days so they have more chance of peforming for 90 minutes in each game!
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Post by Qatar Gas on Mar 22, 2021 5:05:48 GMT
How's this for a radical idea? With the constant two games a week and with our relatively big squad the manager could have become the ultimate tinkerman and played two separate squads - squad A for the winnable games and squad B for the tough games where we don't expect any return. Keeps the whole squad fit and players playing every seven days so they have more chance of peforming for 90 minutes in each game! Maybe I am clutching at straws a little but after Saturday we are finally back to one game a week (Easer weekend aside) which I really hope will benefit us. More time on the training pitch, players able to keep up a pressing game by only playing once a week etc
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 8:00:23 GMT
Referring to the OP. I am very concerned about Barton’a in game management.
Double subs in the last 5 mins are usually for teams in winning positions.
We are now starting to see players looking like they are giving up and not fighting for JB just as they did under PT.
Additionally, looking at the “unfit at pre season” comment. Under Garner we only lost once this season after being in a winning position, this was against Hull.
The players under Garner didn’t look unfit or did they fade in the final 15 mins. Neither did they stop playing for him.
Barton is sounding like Tisdale now. Going from “good squad, great young players” to “climb Everest together” and finally to the classic “it’s not my fault, the squad is rubbish and it’s the bloke in charge 9 months agos fault”
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 22, 2021 8:10:51 GMT
How's this for a radical idea? With the constant two games a week and with our relatively big squad the manager could have become the ultimate tinkerman and played two separate squads - squad A for the winnable games and squad B for the tough games where we don't expect any return. Keeps the whole squad fit and players playing every seven days so they have more chance of peforming for 90 minutes in each game! Maybe I am clutching at straws a little but after Saturday we are finally back to one game a week (Easer weekend aside) which I really hope will benefit us. More time on the training pitch, players able to keep up a pressing game by only playing once a week etc Going back to game management. If you come in to a team, see they have 2 games a week that won’t suit a high pressing game as no time to recover. Why would you continue and do it anyway?
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Mar 22, 2021 8:16:31 GMT
we do seem to fade badly in the last 15 mins of games , must be fitness ? We often fade badly in the last 45 mins of games It was the last 88 minutes against Plymouth!
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Post by chewbacca on Mar 22, 2021 9:19:27 GMT
Referring to the OP. I am very concerned about Barton’a in game management. Double subs in the last 5 mins are usually for teams in winning positions. We are now starting to see players looking like they are giving up and not fighting for JB just as they did under PT. Additionally, looking at the “unfit at pre season” comment. Under Garner we only lost once this season after being in a winning position, this was against Hull. The players under Garner didn’t look unfit or did they fade in the final 15 mins. Neither did they stop playing for him. Barton is sounding like Tisdale now. Going from “good squad, great young players” to “climb Everest together” and finally to the classic “it’s not my fault, the squad is rubbish and it’s the bloke in charge 9 months agos fault” Hi Ben, hope you're well.
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 22, 2021 13:59:58 GMT
It would be helpful if they could actually pass the ball better. Other teams always seem to have better stats
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Post by richard on Mar 22, 2021 14:06:59 GMT
It would be helpful if they could actually pass the ball better. Other teams always seem to have better stats Which stats are these? Against Plymouth we had more possession, more shots, more corners, more passes, more attacks, more dangerous attacks and a greater XG value. Bizarrely we never really looked like scoring though despite all that!!
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Post by pirate on Apr 23, 2021 16:00:19 GMT
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