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Post by bobbyjones on Mar 29, 2021 17:53:59 GMT
If the inevitable happens and we r relegated I wonder if it is written in the players contracts that if it happens will they have to take a wage cut thoughts Until the PFA had it overturned the L2 wage budget was only £15.m compared to £2.5m in L1, hopefully last summer's contracts reflected the lower L2 budget in the event we were relegated. I would check them figures again if I was you. Doesnt seem right L2 15.m, L1 2.5m.
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Post by alanrg on Mar 29, 2021 18:07:18 GMT
League one £2.5 million League 2 £1.5 million
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Post by bobbyjones on Mar 29, 2021 18:17:13 GMT
League one £2.5 million League 2 £1.5 million Please tell Topper this, seems hes only right when hes not wrong.
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Post by hollyhillgas on Mar 29, 2021 18:25:59 GMT
Well according to this site we have the sixth biggest wage bill in Division 1 £3,285,880 per year, so we have flashed the cash but with no return. The cancer then that Barton refers to throughout the club must be whoever is responsible for a poor return having paid those wages and us being in the relegation places. salarysport.com/football/sky-bet-league-one/bristol-rovers/ Not so sure Joey's the boy to cut wages. His old team is nearly £2,000,000 higher with 3 out of the top five earners.
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Post by yattongas on Mar 29, 2021 18:31:21 GMT
If the inevitable happens and we r relegated I wonder if it is written in the players contracts that if it happens will they have to take a wage cut thoughts I wonder if this includes the manager and his staff ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 29, 2021 18:32:22 GMT
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Post by bobbyjones on Mar 29, 2021 18:42:16 GMT
If the inevitable happens and we r relegated I wonder if it is written in the players contracts that if it happens will they have to take a wage cut thoughts Until the PFA had it overturned the L2 wage budget was only £15.m compared to £2.5m in L1, hopefully last summer's contracts reflected the lower L2 budget in the event we were relegated. Check this you quoted, say no more
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2021 18:43:48 GMT
Until the PFA had it overturned the L2 wage budget was only £15.m compared to £2.5m in L1, hopefully last summer's contracts reflected the lower L2 budget in the event we were relegated. Check this you quoted, say no more You’ll still be wrong and he’ll always be right !!!!
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Post by bobbyjones on Mar 29, 2021 18:45:13 GMT
Check this you quoted, say no more You’ll still be wrong and he’ll always be right !!!! Thanks mate
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Post by socrates on Mar 29, 2021 18:56:08 GMT
I hope so, it’s standard practice to insert relegation wage clauses into players contracts for most clubs. My fear is that Nicholson or Kilgour might have relegation release clauses. I fear that too. I also fear that Garners new signings are all on 2+ year wages and we won’t have much wiggle room in the transfer market in the summer because of it. TW and BG have proper screwed this club up in the last 15 months and it could take two three windows to put it right.
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Post by wider on Mar 29, 2021 19:30:35 GMT
Why is everyone so negative? Times are bloody awful and we are having a bloody awful season but there is no need to be quite so negative. I was anti Joey Barton and said so but I think he’s doing a decent job under the circumstances. I wish he’d stop blaming others quite so much, even if he is right most of the time - however, I thought the ref was right that the Sunderland defender headed the ball before he headed Brendon. If we go down to L2 we have more than just Ansii and Nicholson who’d do well imo. Joey has identified that Alfie did a good job on Wyke and we need him back for the run in. Alfie has improved immensely since JB came in. He was good under GC with Big Tone alongside him and is still learning - he certainly didn’t look out of place against The Blades did he. Jonah Ayunga has promised but not quite delivered yet. However, a spell in L2 might be just what he (and others) need to regain confidence. Pablo Martinez didn’t look at all out of place against Sunderland on his debut. He’s only 20 so surely deserves support for a run? Zain Walker also did ok and JB is saying - albeit because he has no choice - that he has to rely on ‘the boys’ to keep us up. Maybe that means he’s given up but wants to see how the youngsters can do? Josh Grant is much better than some people seem to think - we play much better with him on the field than not. His work off the ball in blocking routes and pressing is immense. He sometimes seems to lose focus after getting forward and people notice him not rushing back - hopefully he can improve this aspect but he has a lot of positives. Macca plays better with Josh than other partners. Macca is probably off but who knows? I’d keep him if we can. There are others worth some thought but we also have the issue of injuries - why so many this season? Nicholson hopefully comes back to full health next season but what about others? Rodders for instance? When we finally got him on the pitch this season he was a revelation. Still had enough pace and far more ideas than most. The big thing for me was he had confidence to take people on. The big issue this season has been stated as lack of strikers. There is truth in that the recruitment was poor on stokers, compounded immensely by selling JCH after preseason. With good coaching and a good start (a bit of luck?) we might have got away with it. Daly (another I’d keep) started to come good before injury and Ayunga never got a proper run with him - I’d like to see that combination even now as Daly is a natural poacher and will pick things up when Jonah creates panic in defences, which he has shown he can. However, even more important than the strikers for me has been confidence - we got close to a bit at times but it got snatched away each time it appeared. Enforced changes of personnel, including managers, haven’t helped and neither have decisions- some about who and how to play, when to change managers and some by ‘officials’. All of these have undermined confidence along with a terrible lack of luck. ‘You always make your own luck’ and ‘It evens out over the season’ are two regular sayings that I’m doubting this season. If things change dramatically and we stay up maybe my faith will be restored but this is my 59th season of support and I’ve never seen worse.
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Post by yategasman on Mar 29, 2021 20:02:35 GMT
Even a broken clock is right twice a day 😜
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 29, 2021 20:08:08 GMT
Why is everyone so negative? Times are bloody awful and we are having a bloody awful season but there is no need to be quite so negative. I was anti Joey Barton and said so but I think he’s doing a decent job under the circumstances. I wish he’d stop blaming others quite so much, even if he is right most of the time - however, I thought the ref was right that the Sunderland defender headed the ball before he headed Brendon. If we go down to L2 we have more than just Ansii and Nicholson who’d do well imo. Joey has identified that Alfie did a good job on Wyke and we need him back for the run in. Alfie has improved immensely since JB came in. He was good under GC with Big Tone alongside him and is still learning - he certainly didn’t look out of place against The Blades did he. Jonah Ayunga has promised but not quite delivered yet. However, a spell in L2 might be just what he (and others) need to regain confidence. Pablo Martinez didn’t look at all out of place against Sunderland on his debut. He’s only 20 so surely deserves support for a run? Zain Walker also did ok and JB is saying - albeit because he has no choice - that he has to rely on ‘the boys’ to keep us up. Maybe that means he’s given up but wants to see how the youngsters can do? Josh Grant is much better than some people seem to think - we play much better with him on the field than not. His work off the ball in blocking routes and pressing is immense. He sometimes seems to lose focus after getting forward and people notice him not rushing back - hopefully he can improve this aspect but he has a lot of positives. Macca plays better with Josh than other partners. Macca is probably off but who knows? I’d keep him if we can. There are others worth some thought but we also have the issue of injuries - why so many this season? Nicholson hopefully comes back to full health next season but what about others? Rodders for instance? When we finally got him on the pitch this season he was a revelation. Still had enough pace and far more ideas than most. The big thing for me was he had confidence to take people on. The big issue this season has been stated as lack of strikers. There is truth in that the recruitment was poor on stokers, compounded immensely by selling JCH after preseason. With good coaching and a good start (a bit of luck?) we might have got away with it. Daly (another I’d keep) started to come good before injury and Ayunga never got a proper run with him - I’d like to see that combination even now as Daly is a natural poacher and will pick things up when Jonah creates panic in defences, which he has shown he can. However, even more important than the strikers for me has been confidence - we got close to a bit at times but it got snatched away each time it appeared. Enforced changes of personnel, including managers, haven’t helped and neither have decisions- some about who and how to play, when to change managers and some by ‘officials’. All of these have undermined confidence along with a terrible lack of luck. ‘You always make your own luck’ and ‘It evens out over the season’ are two regular sayings that I’m doubting this season. If things change dramatically and we stay up maybe my faith will be restored but this is my 59th season of support and I’ve never seen worse. Brilliant post.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 29, 2021 20:22:54 GMT
Why is everyone so negative? Times are bloody awful and we are having a bloody awful season but there is no need to be quite so negative. I was anti Joey Barton and said so but I think he’s doing a decent job under the circumstances. I wish he’d stop blaming others quite so much, even if he is right most of the time - however, I thought the ref was right that the Sunderland defender headed the ball before he headed Brendon. If we go down to L2 we have more than just Ansii and Nicholson who’d do well imo. Joey has identified that Alfie did a good job on Wyke and we need him back for the run in. Alfie has improved immensely since JB came in. He was good under GC with Big Tone alongside him and is still learning - he certainly didn’t look out of place against The Blades did he. Jonah Ayunga has promised but not quite delivered yet. However, a spell in L2 might be just what he (and others) need to regain confidence. Pablo Martinez didn’t look at all out of place against Sunderland on his debut. He’s only 20 so surely deserves support for a run? Zain Walker also did ok and JB is saying - albeit because he has no choice - that he has to rely on ‘the boys’ to keep us up. Maybe that means he’s given up but wants to see how the youngsters can do? Josh Grant is much better than some people seem to think - we play much better with him on the field than not. His work off the ball in blocking routes and pressing is immense. He sometimes seems to lose focus after getting forward and people notice him not rushing back - hopefully he can improve this aspect but he has a lot of positives. Macca plays better with Josh than other partners. Macca is probably off but who knows? I’d keep him if we can. There are others worth some thought but we also have the issue of injuries - why so many this season? Nicholson hopefully comes back to full health next season but what about others? Rodders for instance? When we finally got him on the pitch this season he was a revelation. Still had enough pace and far more ideas than most. The big thing for me was he had confidence to take people on. The big issue this season has been stated as lack of strikers. There is truth in that the recruitment was poor on stokers, compounded immensely by selling JCH after preseason. With good coaching and a good start (a bit of luck?) we might have got away with it. Daly (another I’d keep) started to come good before injury and Ayunga never got a proper run with him - I’d like to see that combination even now as Daly is a natural poacher and will pick things up when Jonah creates panic in defences, which he has shown he can. However, even more important than the strikers for me has been confidence - we got close to a bit at times but it got snatched away each time it appeared. Enforced changes of personnel, including managers, haven’t helped and neither have decisions- some about who and how to play, when to change managers and some by ‘officials’. All of these have undermined confidence along with a terrible lack of luck. ‘You always make your own luck’ and ‘It evens out over the season’ are two regular sayings that I’m doubting this season. If things change dramatically and we stay up maybe my faith will be restored but this is my 59th season of support and I’ve never seen worse. "Why is everybody so negative" perhaps it's due to it looking likely we'll finish bottom this season and will be playing L2 football next season?
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Post by oldmarket65 on Mar 29, 2021 20:42:21 GMT
Why is everyone so negative? Times are bloody awful and we are having a bloody awful season but there is no need to be quite so negative. I was anti Joey Barton and said so but I think he’s doing a decent job under the circumstances. I wish he’d stop blaming others quite so much, even if he is right most of the time - however, I thought the ref was right that the Sunderland defender headed the ball before he headed Brendon. If we go down to L2 we have more than just Ansii and Nicholson who’d do well imo. Joey has identified that Alfie did a good job on Wyke and we need him back for the run in. Alfie has improved immensely since JB came in. He was good under GC with Big Tone alongside him and is still learning - he certainly didn’t look out of place against The Blades did he. Jonah Ayunga has promised but not quite delivered yet. However, a spell in L2 might be just what he (and others) need to regain confidence. Pablo Martinez didn’t look at all out of place against Sunderland on his debut. He’s only 20 so surely deserves support for a run? Zain Walker also did ok and JB is saying - albeit because he has no choice - that he has to rely on ‘the boys’ to keep us up. Maybe that means he’s given up but wants to see how the youngsters can do? Josh Grant is much better than some people seem to think - we play much better with him on the field than not. His work off the ball in blocking routes and pressing is immense. He sometimes seems to lose focus after getting forward and people notice him not rushing back - hopefully he can improve this aspect but he has a lot of positives. Macca plays better with Josh than other partners. Macca is probably off but who knows? I’d keep him if we can. There are others worth some thought but we also have the issue of injuries - why so many this season? Nicholson hopefully comes back to full health next season but what about others? Rodders for instance? When we finally got him on the pitch this season he was a revelation. Still had enough pace and far more ideas than most. The big thing for me was he had confidence to take people on. The big issue this season has been stated as lack of strikers. There is truth in that the recruitment was poor on stokers, compounded immensely by selling JCH after preseason. With good coaching and a good start (a bit of luck?) we might have got away with it. Daly (another I’d keep) started to come good before injury and Ayunga never got a proper run with him - I’d like to see that combination even now as Daly is a natural poacher and will pick things up when Jonah creates panic in defences, which he has shown he can. However, even more important than the strikers for me has been confidence - we got close to a bit at times but it got snatched away each time it appeared. Enforced changes of personnel, including managers, haven’t helped and neither have decisions- some about who and how to play, when to change managers and some by ‘officials’. All of these have undermined confidence along with a terrible lack of luck. ‘You always make your own luck’ and ‘It evens out over the season’ are two regular sayings that I’m doubting this season. If things change dramatically and we stay up maybe my faith will be restored but this is my 59th season of support and I’ve never seen worse. Its true what your saying and I been supporting them since the late Tote days. However you half expect it from previous owners like Higgs who was worth what £20 mil plus ?. But if you click on link below our owner is worth £550 million just behind the giants like Sunderland Pompey Ipswich . Why nearly every fan are shaking their heads is this . If our owner is worth this much why are we going back to basement division and the ground ain't been touched since 1997 ?. And if my expectations were too high and I was expecting too much ,( reasonable challenge to me). Why on earth did he take a football club on ?. Its the high of WAEL taking over to the low of being worst than the 1997 return. Maybe I was being totally unrealistic that a bloke worth £550 million might progress the club maybe I was !. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubs
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 29, 2021 21:33:45 GMT
L2 football, pay cuts and many out of contract. I suspect we will see a mass exodus at the end of the season. Which, in my opinion, would not be a bad thing. Anssi and Nicholson aside, I wouldn’t give a moments thought to any other player in the squad leaving. Kilgour isn’t the player I thought he was. Ayunga has shown flashes but there’s better out there. If these boys carry on with us next season we may well find our stay in league two is a very swift one. 2014 proves we are in no way too big to fall through the divisions. And that is the big worry isn’t it? When did we ever look comfortable in League 2? We went on those two runs in the Spring of 2007 and 2015 but apart from those we looked either mediocre or awful against awful teams. Perhaps I’m being unfair about the 14/15 promotion team but I hope you get the point. We think we will dominate but end up struggling against rubbish. What a mess this season is!
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 29, 2021 22:20:52 GMT
Why is everyone so negative? Times are bloody awful and we are having a bloody awful season but there is no need to be quite so negative. I was anti Joey Barton and said so but I think he’s doing a decent job under the circumstances. I wish he’d stop blaming others quite so much, even if he is right most of the time - however, I thought the ref was right that the Sunderland defender headed the ball before he headed Brendon. If we go down to L2 we have more than just Ansii and Nicholson who’d do well imo. Joey has identified that Alfie did a good job on Wyke and we need him back for the run in. Alfie has improved immensely since JB came in. He was good under GC with Big Tone alongside him and is still learning - he certainly didn’t look out of place against The Blades did he. Jonah Ayunga has promised but not quite delivered yet. However, a spell in L2 might be just what he (and others) need to regain confidence. Pablo Martinez didn’t look at all out of place against Sunderland on his debut. He’s only 20 so surely deserves support for a run? Zain Walker also did ok and JB is saying - albeit because he has no choice - that he has to rely on ‘the boys’ to keep us up. Maybe that means he’s given up but wants to see how the youngsters can do? Josh Grant is much better than some people seem to think - we play much better with him on the field than not. His work off the ball in blocking routes and pressing is immense. He sometimes seems to lose focus after getting forward and people notice him not rushing back - hopefully he can improve this aspect but he has a lot of positives. Macca plays better with Josh than other partners. Macca is probably off but who knows? I’d keep him if we can. There are others worth some thought but we also have the issue of injuries - why so many this season? Nicholson hopefully comes back to full health next season but what about others? Rodders for instance? When we finally got him on the pitch this season he was a revelation. Still had enough pace and far more ideas than most. The big thing for me was he had confidence to take people on. The big issue this season has been stated as lack of strikers. There is truth in that the recruitment was poor on stokers, compounded immensely by selling JCH after preseason. With good coaching and a good start (a bit of luck?) we might have got away with it. Daly (another I’d keep) started to come good before injury and Ayunga never got a proper run with him - I’d like to see that combination even now as Daly is a natural poacher and will pick things up when Jonah creates panic in defences, which he has shown he can. However, even more important than the strikers for me has been confidence - we got close to a bit at times but it got snatched away each time it appeared. Enforced changes of personnel, including managers, haven’t helped and neither have decisions- some about who and how to play, when to change managers and some by ‘officials’. All of these have undermined confidence along with a terrible lack of luck. ‘You always make your own luck’ and ‘It evens out over the season’ are two regular sayings that I’m doubting this season. If things change dramatically and we stay up maybe my faith will be restored but this is my 59th season of support and I’ve never seen worse. Its true what your saying and I been supporting them since the late Tote days. However you half expect it from previous owners like Higgs who was worth what £20 mil plus ?. But if you click on link below our owner is worth £550 million just behind the giants like Sunderland Pompey Ipswich . Why nearly every fan are shaking their heads is this . If our owner is worth this much why are we going back to basement division and the ground ain't been touched since 1997 ?. And if my expectations were too high and I was expecting too much ,( reasonable challenge to me). Why on earth did he take a football club on ?. Its the high of WAEL taking over to the low of being worst than the 1997 return. Maybe I was being totally unrealistic that a bloke worth £550 million might progress the club maybe I was !. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubsIf you follow the link in Wikipedia, it's not £550m but $550m and it's attributed to the family members of DS (all 4 at the time) so not Wael in his own right. The club was limited by the budget rules (I know he could have granted funds). However it's all supposition as his wealth is not in the public domain and nor should it be. I do agree that we need a resolution on the stadium, I would hope that if nothing is imminent then something could be done at the Mem, even one or two stands. He has funded the training ground which is a long overdue project.
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Post by bobbyjones on Mar 30, 2021 17:36:14 GMT
Still waiting for you to say you were wrong with the figures you put out on the thread. Maybe when you have time to read it, which I think you already have, you may apoliguise for making a mistake. I will not hold my breath though because your to much up your own arse to say you were wrong. Goodnight Irene.
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