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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 30, 2021 11:40:09 GMT
“Joey Barton could be in legal hot water after an extraordinary rant about his Bristol Rovers predecessors. Barton was appointed Rovers manager in late February, replacing Paul Tisdale, who himself only succeeded Ben Garner in November. Sportsmail understands legal action is being considered and lawyers have been contacted after Barton accused the pair of negligence and labelled their training sessions a 'farce'. Rovers were two points above the League One relegation zone when Barton took over and he has overseen just two wins from 10 games. But before the 1-0 defeat by Sunderland on Saturday, Barton pointed the finger at Garner and Tisdale, saying: 'They've set these boys up for failure and we've got to try to reverse that trend. 'Whatever has gone before me has been negligent. If they were doctors, they should certainly be struck off for what's gone on here before. I could show you the footage of the training sessions. They're a farce. It wasn't done correctly. 'How do I know that? Look at the league table. Look at the fact two managers have been removed from the job. Two-and-a-half-hour sessions on a Friday — what chance have the lads got? It's like having a 15-round spar the night before you have a 12-round scrap. What chance have you got? You're going to get your head punched in. 'It's because they don't know what it's like to go in the ring, the Colosseum. They've read it in a book and they've done it on a course and they don't know. It's criminal.' Barton may now have a legal case to answer and he had appeared braced for a comeback when he added: 'Those coaches will probably want to take me to task on that and I'll have absolutely no issue in showing them exactly what they got wrong and where they got it wrong, and they'll be better coaches for it. 'If they want to get on the phone and have a conversation with me, no problem at all.'” www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-9415739/Joey-Barton-face-legal-battle-Bristol-Rovers-predecessors-Paul-Tisdale-Ben-Garner.htmlTo be fair, regardless of whether people like him or not, this was a very ill advised thing to say. As I understand it, neither of the other two said anything but it was noticed higher up the food chain. Makes you wonder why he is continuing to berate others rather than try and motivate the players.
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Post by pucklegas on Mar 30, 2021 11:41:19 GMT
You know the irony if Tisdale does sue is that we are still paying him a monthly wage- so in reality we are funding the action against the current manager. Fabulous times... What if Tisdale loses ? Playing devils advocate 😂😂😂
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 30, 2021 11:43:39 GMT
This country is becoming litigious akin to the USA. How on earth can we have a legal system that supports "they said I was a bad manager and now I'm upset so I want some money please" You obviously never disagreed with GD when he was chairman. He would threaten litigation, often. RIP GD
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Post by CrispPusher on Mar 30, 2021 11:55:21 GMT
Tisdale played professionally and can point to his management record at Exeter, so most of the comments didn't apply to him; why would Tisdale wish to join Garner in any litigation?
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Post by lpgas1 on Mar 30, 2021 12:07:23 GMT
Tisdale played professionally and can point to his management record at Exeter, so most of the comments didn't apply to him; why would Tisdale wish to join Garner in any litigation? Mostly in Division 2. His experience in Div 1 is woeful
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 30, 2021 12:13:16 GMT
Tisdale played professionally and can point to his management record at Exeter, so most of the comments didn't apply to him; why would Tisdale wish to join Garner in any litigation? cant see tisdale wanting to. His reputation will be his defence so a few words wont affect his career. Whereas garner can only lose any hope of future employment in the game if he may go down this path.clubs are not pulling up trees to find him a position as it is
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Post by kruger on Mar 30, 2021 12:18:16 GMT
Why do people say we are still paying any of these managers wages, do you know this for sure?
How do you know there was not something put in their contract?
How do you know they haven't already been paid off?
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Post by gregsy on Mar 30, 2021 12:23:03 GMT
Why do people say we are still paying any of these managers wages, do you know this for sure? How do you know there was not something put in their contract? How do you know they haven't already been paid off? I think (but don't quote me) the general practice is that you get paid for 12 months after dismissal or until you take other employment....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2021 12:24:31 GMT
Tisdale played professionally and can point to his management record at Exeter, so most of the comments didn't apply to him; why would Tisdale wish to join Garner in any litigation? The comments were about Tisdale's time at Rovers, which wasn't great. No doubt Barton has heard first hand accounts from the players.
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Post by henry on Mar 30, 2021 12:36:57 GMT
You know the irony if Tisdale does sue is that we are still paying him a monthly wage- so in reality we are funding the action against the current manager. Fabulous times... What if Tisdale loses ? Playing devils advocate 😂😂😂 Rovers pay his legal bill indirectly. Win, win.
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Post by Strange Gas on Mar 30, 2021 12:38:32 GMT
Struggling to see what basis of any legal action would be here? He mouthed off in the media and said he’d be willing to explain why he thinks that. Handbags but surely no grounds for legal case. What would be PT and BG response? “We did a great job, actually” 🥴
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Post by Jomo on Mar 30, 2021 12:48:01 GMT
Struggling to see what basis of any legal action would be here? He mouthed off in the media and said he’d be willing to explain why he thinks that. Handbags but surely no grounds for legal case. What would be PT and BG response? “We did a great job, actually” 🥴 Not sure I agree with this to be honest. I thought when he said it that there could be legal issues surrounding his comments. Think of it from Tisdale and Garner's perspective. They want to get back in work, which they are perfectly entitled to do, and they have been directly called "negligent" by their replacement in a press conference. It's not the same as a new employer looking at their record of results. An employer might think "well, they failed to achieve results at Bristol Rovers, but their coaching pedigree is generally favourable, so we'd offer him the job, except for this claim from Joey Barton that they were negligent in their duties, which is a big red flag".
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Post by gregsy on Mar 30, 2021 12:51:32 GMT
Struggling to see what basis of any legal action would be here? He mouthed off in the media and said he’d be willing to explain why he thinks that. Handbags but surely no grounds for legal case. What would be PT and BG response? “We did a great job, actually” 🥴 Not sure I agree with this to be honest. I thought when he said it that there could be legal issues surrounding his comments. Think of it from Tisdale and Garner's perspective. They want to get back in work, which they are perfectly entitled to do, and they have been directly called "negligent" by their replacement in a press conference. It's not the same as a new employer looking at their record of results. An employer might think "well, they failed to achieve results at Bristol Rovers, but their coaching pedigree is generally favourable, so we'd offer him the job, except for this claim from Joey Barton that they were negligent in their duties, which is a big red flag". True this, and the bit about 'if they were doctors', is basically saying they shouldn't be allowed to work in football again. Very poorly thought out words....
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Post by peterparker on Mar 30, 2021 12:57:03 GMT
Not sure I agree with this to be honest. I thought when he said it that there could be legal issues surrounding his comments. Think of it from Tisdale and Garner's perspective. They want to get back in work, which they are perfectly entitled to do, and they have been directly called "negligent" by their replacement in a press conference. It's not the same as a new employer looking at their record of results. An employer might think "well, they failed to achieve results at Bristol Rovers, but their coaching pedigree is generally favourable, so we'd offer him the job, except for this claim from Joey Barton that they were negligent in their duties, which is a big red flag". True this, and the bit about 'if they were doctors', is basically saying they shouldn't be allowed to work in football again. Very poorly thought out words.... yeah and Joey can explain what he meant like he said he would, just that whomever will have some legal representatives to hand
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 30, 2021 14:12:18 GMT
In the most part I enjoy the honesty of JB's podcasts and interviews. Found another podcast about his time at Rangers - pretty interesting especially talking about the poor level of training compared to Burnley! open.spotify.com/episode/5mFKoHDn5hO6GSCxXiM8aMUTG
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 30, 2021 14:39:00 GMT
Sorry but can't believe people are defending Barton over this. If Tis or Garner are looking for a job then this could massively scupper any job opportunities they go for. Joey wasn't even here at the time. He's seriously got to think and be careful what he says and be more professional. This is a serious lack of class whether true or not and he is dragging our club's name through the mud (as I feared when appointed).
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 30, 2021 15:01:30 GMT
Also I don't know if it's been lost on anyone that thus has come out in the Daily Mail (Tisdale occasionally writes articles for them).
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Post by playtowin on Mar 30, 2021 15:23:46 GMT
For arguments sake it goes to court its one persons opinion against anothers. The club sacked the 2 managers so the initial sway goes with the accusation of them being negligent perhaps. Would either manager actually want an indepenent investigation into what they did ? Would they risk it being officially declared they were hopeless ? That would 100% end their football careers. Better off just replying in the media that they dont agree with JAB but everyone is entitled to their opinion and wish him well in keeping rovers up.
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Post by singupgas on Mar 30, 2021 15:29:17 GMT
Can't imagine arguing I've done a good job, when taking a team 4th to a team that looked like never winning a game in the league only to be saved from relegation by a pandemic. Garner will be bringing attention to his really really poor time in charge of us if he is wanting a legal battle.
Tisdale does strike me as a "not my fault" kind of person so I would wager he would be wanting to challenge Joey on his comments.
I think all Joey can do is again be public, apologise for any comments, but then clarify by giving reasons, the team are not as fit as he was expecting, there is this wrong, there is that wrong...
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Mar 30, 2021 15:34:01 GMT
Also I don't know if it's been lost on anyone that thus has come out in the Daily Mail (Tisdale occasionally writes articles for them). 'That thus' ? What you on about fella :-)
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