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Post by sodburygas on Apr 2, 2021 22:00:52 GMT
Out of interest have any stattos got Barton’s record vs the previous 2 to share? Including cup games, here are the stats: Barton: Total 11 - W 2. D 1. L 8 Tisdale: Total 19 - W 5. D 3. L 11 Garner OVERALL: Total 33 - W 6. D 10. L 17 (Garner 19/20: Total 18 - W 2. D 5. L 11. / Garner 20/21: Total 15 - W 4. D 5. L 6) But just going by the league games, here are their points per game ratio: Garner 1.18 points per league game Tisdale 1.25 points per league game Barton 1.57 points per league game Bartons points per league game is 0.63 not 1.57
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 2, 2021 22:05:53 GMT
For some reason I feel uncomfortable with this. What do you think?
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Apr 2, 2021 22:07:48 GMT
I wasn't happy with Barton's appointment given his history, but in football manager terms he did well to get Fleetwood within two games of the Championship. From the little I think I know about the mindset of the average professional footballer, I don't think they would care too much about his playing career misdemeanours. They'd be more impressed with his experience and passion. So on paper, he was a decent appointment. But for reasons I don't understand, he's managed to be worse than Garner and Tisdale so far, and time is rapidly running out. I know he's had injuries. Unfortunate, but which manager doesn't have them? I don't think we can afford to sack him, for financial, reputational and egotistical reasons, and maybe it will all come good next season (in L2?) But to me it's clear that Barton hasn't managed to turn anything around. He's actually made a bad situation worse, with his results and his public opinions on players and previous managers. I'm at a loss to see how he can motivate them to actually win three or four of the remaining games. I’d say the players signed at the start of the season were not good enough. 3rd manager, and it’s pressure and confidence now that is going to kill our season. Players have bottled it, now there under serious pressure and it shows,, you think joey would have signed these blaggers???. A so called manager blagging it, has blagged a ton of crud blaggers. No old heads in that team.
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Post by oldie on Apr 2, 2021 22:13:18 GMT
Including cup games, here are the stats: Barton: Total 11 - W 2. D 1. L 8 Tisdale: Total 19 - W 5. D 3. L 11 Garner OVERALL: Total 33 - W 6. D 10. L 17 (Garner 19/20: Total 18 - W 2. D 5. L 11. / Garner 20/21: Total 15 - W 4. D 5. L 6) But just going by the league games, here are their points per game ratio: Garner 1.18 points per league game Tisdale 1.25 points per league game Barton 1.57 points per league game Bartons points per league game is 0.63 not 1.57 Maffs, innit.
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Post by axegas on Apr 2, 2021 22:17:15 GMT
For some reason I feel uncomfortable with this. What do you think? I’ve never known a manager come out and publicly associate themselves with a statement about their own players like that. It’s not terribly professional, I’ve got to say.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2021 22:28:41 GMT
For some reason I feel uncomfortable with this. What do you think? I’ve never known a manager come out and publicly associate themselves with a statement about their own players like that. It’s not terribly professional, I’ve got to say. When has he ever conducted himself in a professional manner.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 2, 2021 22:36:58 GMT
I think it’s a disaster already. As g and e said, we’ve got to stop sacking managers and let this one manage. If we go down then we have to take it but the answer is not to get rid of another manager whatever our frustrations are. Allow this one, if he’s still with us and not having a holiday with HM, to manage us. Despite the awful results and losses, we have been playing well in patches and have looked far more likely to get a result than we did under the others. What JB hasn’t been able to do is stop defenders from making stupid mistakes and overcome the fact that our strikers can’t score. Those players won’t be with us next season if JB is, IMO. I almost feel silly saying this after a run of defeats but our performances are far better. And I’ve seen all but 2/3 games this season. UTG! "Despite the awful results and losses, we have been playing well in patches and have looked far more likely to get a result than we did under the others." But sadly none of that equals points and we have accumulated less than under the same equivalent spells of the other two. Perhaps but it’s a very low bar anyway isn’t it? And to use ppg as many have to try and prove a point is a pointless exercise as all three are poor. All three have had awful results but at least under JB I think our performances have been better and we’ve looked far more likely to win. And if you had read on you’d have seen I’ve said more or less the same as you, we hadn’t got enough points through our strikers not getting enough goals and individual defensive errors which JB hasn’t solved. So yes, I think we’re in agreement. UTG!
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Post by aghast on Apr 2, 2021 22:46:37 GMT
I wasn't happy with Barton's appointment given his history, but in football manager terms he did well to get Fleetwood within two games of the Championship. From the little I think I know about the mindset of the average professional footballer, I don't think they would care too much about his playing career misdemeanours. They'd be more impressed with his experience and passion. So on paper, he was a decent appointment. But for reasons I don't understand, he's managed to be worse than Garner and Tisdale so far, and time is rapidly running out. I know he's had injuries. Unfortunate, but which manager doesn't have them? I don't think we can afford to sack him, for financial, reputational and egotistical reasons, and maybe it will all come good next season (in L2?) But to me it's clear that Barton hasn't managed to turn anything around. He's actually made a bad situation worse, with his results and his public opinions on players and previous managers. I'm at a loss to see how he can motivate them to actually win three or four of the remaining games. I’d say the players signed at the start of the season were not good enough. 3rd manager, and it’s pressure and confidence now that is going to kill our season. Players have bottled it, now there under serious pressure and it shows,, you think joey would have signed these blaggers???. A so called manager blagging it, has blagged a ton of crud blaggers. No old heads in that team. My point was that it's actually got worse under Barton. I wasn't expecting a run for the playoffs, but equally I wasn't expecting to see us plummet even further from 18th place with a game in hand (or whatever) to second from bottom having played two games more than Rochdale. Garner was the architect of this rot. Tisdale was given very little chance to show whether he could change things before being thrown overboard (although to be fair he hadn't shown much promise), but Barton is the one who has let it get totally out of control and virtually relegated us. And I'm quite annoyed at his comments about having never seen such mistakes on the pitch even at amateur level. He has a very strange approach to motivating people. He has a history with this. He said the Newcastle players weren't up to the job, and said the same about the England squad. At the same time as playing for them. I'm beginning to think he's delusional and totally intolerant of mistakes and limitations. Instead of trying to fix the problems, he just blames the people he works with.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 2, 2021 22:49:05 GMT
For some reason I feel uncomfortable with this. What do you think? I’ve never known a manager come out and publicly associate themselves with a statement about their own players like that. It’s not terribly professional, I’ve got to say. It's not good is it. Also Joey mentioned about banning his players from social media. Not sure whether he has done that or not but this seems just a little contradictory to me!
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Apr 2, 2021 22:54:02 GMT
He's calling it like it is. Let's see how many of the current squad who are released end up in league 1 next season. I suspect the answer will confirm JB assessment. Next season when he has a transfer window and a full pre season he will get to back up what he has said about previous regimes. I have faith in him but next season it will be all about walking the walk!
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 2, 2021 22:56:15 GMT
He's calling it like it is. Let's see how many of the current squad who are released end up in league 1 next season. I suspect the answer will confirm JB assessment. Next season when he has a transfer window and a full pre season he will get to back up what he has said about previous regimes. I have faith in him but next season it will be all about walking the walk! It seems to me that "Calling it how it is" = the bloke can say or do what he wants and then nothing is his fault.
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 2, 2021 23:31:42 GMT
Gas Go Marching In- there is no other way to describe the comical defending on the two goals conceded. How would you describe it? We have had some bad goals conceded this season but those two certainly take some beating but the ironic thing is that we could still have won that game as we were the better side again. We are now in the positon of requiring 4 wins out of seven and one of those wins really has to be at Northampton.
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Post by blueblood1883 on Apr 3, 2021 0:48:35 GMT
Do you think it was “let” or “instructed”? Probably a bit of both. The thing is i don't want to watch a team that has been put together with a load of youngsters like Garners team , which if any good will be brought on to be flogged to a higher league club. I want us to build a balanced side that can take us forward to the next level, signing youngsters we can sell on like the board wanted will leave us always in the lower leagues . 100% with you on this.. I haven't read a single post thus far that makes reference to the boards managerial expectation of bringing kids through to sell them on. Firstly it's not the sole reason for this mess but was never going to happen overnight. Its probably one of the mistakes the owner might be taking responsibility for in his recent address to the fans who knows? Bad policy making however that in my opinion is partly to blame and shouldn't be disregarded when discussing the virtue of whether the current manager should be sacked.. Oh and by the way.... Barton in
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 6:13:15 GMT
For the record anyone’s opinion is fine but RD oversteps the mark concerning JB In what way? The persistent way he attacks JB,if I was to persistently attack another poster I’d be banned, I know JB don’t post on here but he’s rovers manager and we all need to support him in helping him turn around the club’s fortunes. We all now JB been a naughty boy,but no need to bang on about it,he’s probably taking us down but my god no one could’ve saved us with this squad of players and he looks like he’s hurting more than most with our position and IMO got what it takes too turn us around. Let’s get this season over and whatever division or who’s manager I’ll be supporting the GAS one hundred percent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2021 6:15:39 GMT
It wasn’t a barrage of opinions or vendetta like RD no we’re near,but he’s a mod and untouchable. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, RD does a good job that you don’t see. I bet he does and we don’t see that side of him,so thanks RD for all your good work you do for this forum we really appreciate it.utg.
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Post by peterparker on Apr 3, 2021 6:40:28 GMT
For some reason I feel uncomfortable with this. What do you think? I’ve never known a manager come out and publicly associate themselves with a statement about their own players like that. It’s not terribly professional, I’ve got to say. Because he is an idiot. He cant help himself
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Post by peterparker on Apr 3, 2021 6:44:07 GMT
I’ve never known a manager come out and publicly associate themselves with a statement about their own players like that. It’s not terribly professional, I’ve got to say. When has he ever conducted himself in a professional manner. More pandering to a certain section of fans again isnt it.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 3, 2021 6:46:07 GMT
Gas Go Marching In- there is no other way to describe the comical defending on the two goals conceded. How would you describe it? We have had some bad goals conceded this season but those two certainly take some beating but the ironic thing is that we could still have won that game as we were the better side again. We are now in the positon of requiring 4 wins out of seven and one of those wins really has to be at Northampton. I agree with you that what JB is saying is accurate and I want him to remain with us and sort it out. However, I too am a little uncomfortable with just how blunt he is being now. He really should be moderating what he says in the press and social media even if it is the truth.
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Post by milesy83 on Apr 3, 2021 6:47:11 GMT
Seems to be all the same people who didn't want him here in the first place that is still moaning. This place is beginning to be a joke. JB needs a summer to bring in his own players. No one can make this team score as these players ain't good enough!
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Post by peterparker on Apr 3, 2021 6:53:49 GMT
Seems to be all the same people who didn't want him here in the first place that is still moaning. This place is beginning to be a joke. JB needs a summer to bring in his own players. No one can make this team score as these players ain't good enough! We still have 7 games. Pretty sure JB would rather be a league one manager than a league 2 one. Not sure slagging off the players or endorsing fan tweets about crap players is going to help him in that regard Almost like Joey want to het relegated
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