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Post by Jomo on Apr 20, 2021 20:59:46 GMT
Can't disagree with a single word with Joey has said. That's not the point. We can all appreciate honesty on a personal level, but being a professional football manager comes with certain responsibilities, and one of those responsibilities is to not publicly slam almost every single person in the club. Some fans might enjoy it, but that doesn't win us matches. The key thing above all else is to do whatever is possible to organise and motivate the players. Everything else is just needless at best, and irresponsible, unprofessional and dangerous at worst.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 20, 2021 21:03:32 GMT
Can't disagree with a single word with Joey has said. That's not the point. We can all appreciate honesty on a personal level, but being a professional football manager comes with certain responsibilities, and one of those responsibilities is to not publicly slam almost every single person in the club. Some fans might enjoy it, but that doesn't win us matches. The key thing above all else is to do whatever is possible to organise and motivate the players. Everything else is just needless at best, and irresponsible, unprofessional and dangerous at worst. Thing is if his interview from just now is right and the players don't even give a sh** that we've got relegated you're going to need a pretty effective management strategy to get those players to perform. If everything he has tried since coming in hasn't worked he needed to try something different. Mollycoddling doesn't always work. He will know best what could have worked based on his experience of the players since coming in. He sees their reactions day to day to our situation. And I know this doesn't help us, but he's fairly inexperienced in himself. He will be learning too about what works at a general level and what doesn't.
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Post by brads213 on Apr 20, 2021 21:10:15 GMT
Well I said I would give jb until the 3nd of the season, but our season finished tonight, and as far as I can see there have been no improvement at all since jb took over goodness where we go from here.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 20, 2021 21:11:02 GMT
Well I said I would give jb until the 3nd of the season, but our season finished tonight, and as far as I can see there have been no improvement at all since jb took over goodness where we go from here. Port Vale doing well. Just saying.
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Post by singupgas on Apr 20, 2021 21:13:07 GMT
Can't disagree with a single word with Joey has said. That's not the point. We can all appreciate honesty on a personal level, but being a professional football manager comes with certain responsibilities, and one of those responsibilities is to not publicly slam almost every single person in the club. Some fans might enjoy it, but that doesn't win us matches. The key thing above all else is to do whatever is possible to organise and motivate the players. Everything else is just needless at best, and irresponsible, unprofessional and dangerous at worst. He is absolutely right to criticise though, players are far too protected and it easy to sack another manager. You will be waiting a very long time of you think being nice would make these players come good, being nice is exactly why we are where we are. JB is saying that the player I'm the changing rooms not realising what it means and are not hurting enough, I can't accept that, and I applaud our manager for being honest saying they are not good enough to wear the quarters, I have watched almost every game this season and have seen for myself they are not. Get rid of them.
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Post by bluebiro on Apr 20, 2021 21:13:33 GMT
Well I said I would give jb until the 3nd of the season, but our season finished tonight, and as far as I can see there have been no improvement at all since jb took over goodness where we go from here. Port Vale doing well. Just saying. they will walk div 2 next season
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Post by bluebiro on Apr 20, 2021 21:13:43 GMT
Well I said I would give jb until the 3nd of the season, but our season finished tonight, and as far as I can see there have been no improvement at all since jb took over goodness where we go from here. Port Vale doing well. Just saying. they will walk div 2 next season
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Post by LJG on Apr 20, 2021 21:18:35 GMT
You don't think if he really had to say it he could have said it after the end of the season rather than before a crucial game? I'd have hoped the players had a bit of pride in themselves to at least put up a fight, but they have proven what most of us have known for a long time in that they are a lost cause That doesn't really answer my question.
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Post by bluegas on Apr 20, 2021 21:21:35 GMT
Well I said I would give jb until the 3nd of the season, but our season finished tonight, and as far as I can see there have been no improvement at all since jb took over goodness where we go from here. Port Vale doing well. Just saying. Do you really think he'd come back? After calling the owner a 'fantasist'? Allegedly.
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Post by LJG on Apr 20, 2021 21:22:55 GMT
That's not the point. We can all appreciate honesty on a personal level, but being a professional football manager comes with certain responsibilities, and one of those responsibilities is to not publicly slam almost every single person in the club. Some fans might enjoy it, but that doesn't win us matches. The key thing above all else is to do whatever is possible to organise and motivate the players. Everything else is just needless at best, and irresponsible, unprofessional and dangerous at worst. He is absolutely right to criticise though, players are far too protected and it easy to sack another manager. You will be waiting a very long time of you think being nice would make these players come good, being nice is exactly why we are where we are. JB is saying that the player I'm the changing rooms not realising what it means and are not hurting enough, I can't accept that, and I applaud our manager for being honest saying they are not good enough to wear the quarters, I have watched almost every game this season and have seen for myself they are not. Get rid of them. As I've said elsewhere. Whether his criticisms are right or not is irrelevant. The manager's role is to be the public face of the club. You don't know that he's not putting off young fans with his outbursts. You don't know that there isn't someone prepared to invest in a stadium project with Wael who is now thinking twice because Barton is saying on the radio every week that the internal organisation is so bad it could be on kitchen Nightmares.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 20, 2021 21:24:03 GMT
Port Vale doing well. Just saying. Do you really think he'd come back? After calling the owner a 'fantasist'? Allegedly. You're missing my point. Brads, under a different username, logged in here every week and panned DC.
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Post by axegas on Apr 20, 2021 21:27:31 GMT
I sort of see both sides of the argument because I do recognise that Barton hasn’t had the chance to bring in his players yet. I have always believed in giving managers a fair crack of the whip.
However, I was against this appointment straight from the get go and nothing from the man either in personality or results has convinced me I was wrong in that assessment, so to be honest I would not be unhappy at all to see him leave this summer.
Supporting the club has been harder with Barton in charge, that’s just for me personally. I still love Rovers and avidly watch the games and post on the forums, it’s just been tougher to get behind us.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 20, 2021 21:38:51 GMT
He is absolutely right to criticise though, players are far too protected and it easy to sack another manager. You will be waiting a very long time of you think being nice would make these players come good, being nice is exactly why we are where we are. JB is saying that the player I'm the changing rooms not realising what it means and are not hurting enough, I can't accept that, and I applaud our manager for being honest saying they are not good enough to wear the quarters, I have watched almost every game this season and have seen for myself they are not. Get rid of them. As I've said elsewhere. Whether his criticisms are right or not is irrelevant. The manager's role is to be the public face of the club. You don't know that he's not putting off young fans with his outbursts. You don't know that there isn't someone prepared to invest in a stadium project with Wael who is now thinking twice because Barton is saying on the radio every week that the internal organisation is so bad it could be on kitchen Nightmares. And you don't know investors aren't prepared to get involved because they know we're being run like a National League side. If Barton remains our manager and drags us forward the 30 years DC suggested that we are behind the times (odd he got praise when he said it?) then we might be in a far better position than we are now. I guess the alternative is to sack Barton and just remain being run like a National League club with Hargreaves and Mansell in charge.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 20, 2021 21:40:23 GMT
Port Vale doing well. Just saying. they will walk div 2 next season I thought most of the present PV players were out of contract this summer?
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Post by LJG on Apr 20, 2021 21:43:24 GMT
As I've said elsewhere. Whether his criticisms are right or not is irrelevant. The manager's role is to be the public face of the club. You don't know that he's not putting off young fans with his outbursts. You don't know that there isn't someone prepared to invest in a stadium project with Wael who is now thinking twice because Barton is saying on the radio every week that the internal organisation is so bad it could be on kitchen Nightmares. And you don't know investors aren't prepared to get involved because they know we're being run like a National League side. If Barton remains our manager and drags us forward the 30 years DC suggested that we are behind the times (odd he got praise when he said it?) then we might be in a far better position than we are now. I guess the alternative is to sack Barton and just remain being run like a National League club with Hargreaves and Mansell in charge. I don't know that Topper but ... again... that's totally irrelevant to the point being discussed. You can't excuse completely unprofessional behaviour and potentially damaging public outbursts by saying "you don't know that something different and unrelated isn't happening". That's nonsense. If you have a defence for him acting in such an unprofessional manager as to say before a crucial game that he wouldn't sign any of the players then let's hear it.
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Post by bluebiro on Apr 20, 2021 21:44:23 GMT
Glad he has called out these frauds. You see them after the whistle laughing and joking. Always looked like they had plenty in the tank. They would embarrass a Sunday league side
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Post by ChiefStateGAS on Apr 20, 2021 21:55:22 GMT
And you don't know investors aren't prepared to get involved because they know we're being run like a National League side. If Barton remains our manager and drags us forward the 30 years DC suggested that we are behind the times (odd he got praise when he said it?) then we might be in a far better position than we are now. I guess the alternative is to sack Barton and just remain being run like a National League club with Hargreaves and Mansell in charge. I don't know that Topper but ... again... that's totally irrelevant to the point being discussed. You can't excuse completely unprofessional behaviour and potentially damaging public outbursts by saying "you don't know that something different and unrelated isn't happening". That's nonsense. If you have a defence for him acting in such an unprofessional manager as to say before a crucial game that he wouldn't sign any of the players then let's hear it. I don't agree with him saying something like that pre-match but I'm certainly glad he said what he did post-match. At the end of the day he's not wrong. He's telling it how it is and in all honesty did you really think we were going to win today and kick on and stay up? It might be that he was trying to light a fire under some players' arses because nothing else has worked this season - 42 games before today proved that. It's been on the wall for months, these players aren't good enough and I'm glad he's said it out loud, they should be told. If JB is in charge next season I have a feeling he will bring in players who will wear our shirt with more pride and give much more commitment on the pitch - and I for one will be happy for that.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 20, 2021 22:00:15 GMT
I'm sure we'll find out more tomorrow in Frosty's digital columns in Bristol Post, but from Hoskins/Hadwin (sound the same to me, think it was Hoskins) on Radio Bristol it sounded as if he was doing interviews for another 10 mins or so beyond what was on the Radio Bristol / Official Club interview and for me from that one of the most interesting take aways I had from his comments was that he was commenting on us losing Tony Craig in the summer but not replacing him and that being a key element in our downfall.
Beside me that people still defend Garner and to a lesser extent Widdrington.
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Post by biggles on Apr 20, 2021 22:13:20 GMT
the problem was we were sponsered by billy smarts circus hence the clowns
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 20, 2021 22:28:00 GMT
the problem was we were sponsered by billy smarts circus hence the clowns And tents.
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