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Post by lpgas1 on Apr 18, 2021 15:19:59 GMT
Brentford have 2 teams. The first team, and team B. No under 8's; 9's; 12's; 16's or Under 18;'s. they pick up players realeased by other clubs, or occaisionally buy players to take place of players they have sold.
Is it time we did the same and put all our efforts in to the first team?
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Post by axegas on Apr 18, 2021 15:23:13 GMT
No, we have a proud record of producing our own and I would like to see it continue. Can the academy system improve? Certainly, but scrapping it when we are building a training ground for it to move into and the likes of Walker and Kilgour are in the first 11, would be a mistake.
Ultimately some clubs have to have academies otherwise there would be no pathway for young players coming through.
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Post by CrispPusher on Apr 18, 2021 17:48:39 GMT
No, we have a proud record of producing our own and I would like to see it continue. Can the academy system improve? Certainly, but scrapping it when we are building a training ground for it to move into and the likes of Walker and Kilgour are in the first 11, would be a mistake. Ultimately some clubs have to have academies otherwise there would be no pathway for young players coming through. Walker didn't come through our academy. I agree there's too many mercenaries in the squad as it is, we need more Kilgour and Ollie Clarkes not more Harries and Barretts.
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Post by 4d on Apr 18, 2021 18:28:58 GMT
How much have we spent on the academy / youth set up in the past 20 years and what players of note have we bought into the first team in that period?
I suspect spending the money on new signings would have had more affect.
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Post by bluebiro on Apr 18, 2021 18:53:12 GMT
No, we have a proud record of producing our own and I would like to see it continue. Can the academy system improve? Certainly, but scrapping it when we are building a training ground for it to move into and the likes of Walker and Kilgour are in the first 11, would be a mistake. Ultimately some clubs have to have academies otherwise there would be no pathway for young players coming through. Walker didn't come through our academy. I agree there's too many mercenaries in the squad as it is, we need more Kilgour and Ollie Clarkes not more Harries and Barretts. o Clarke should be a player we get back to the club next season. A player who knows what this club is about and would certainly put some fire back into the team
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Post by slimbridgegas on Apr 18, 2021 19:20:41 GMT
I’ve said it before - Ollie Clarke should have stayed He was sold a “dream move” by GC and we all know where GC went ....leaving the player with a club north of Nottingham ...not sure how he feels personally I hasten to add.
As I’ve said before if I was JB I would get him back “ where he belongs.” Let’s face it BG was never a good match for Ollie...hence he moved on.
We miss his tenacity and drive. UTG
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 18, 2021 19:32:42 GMT
Walker didn't come through our academy. I agree there's too many mercenaries in the squad as it is, we need more Kilgour and Ollie Clarkes not more Harries and Barretts. o Clarke should be a player we get back to the club next season. A player who knows what this club is about and would certainly put some fire back into the team I can't recall many posters posting that last season? Perhaps instead of scrapping the Academy we need to work out why it's hardly producing any 1st team players. Not sure if being in London make it hard for Brentford to pick up the best youngsters but easy to pick up ex Premiership Academy players? If we scrap the Academy that's another line of potential youngs fans gone, pretty soon we'll have no fans left!
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Post by pirate on Apr 18, 2021 19:40:50 GMT
o Clarke should be a player we get back to the club next season. A player who knows what this club is about and would certainly put some fire back into the team I can't recall many posters posting that last season? Perhaps instead of scrapping the Academy we need to work out why it's hardly producing any 1st team players. Not sure if being in London make it hard for Brentford to pick up the best youngsters but easy to pick up ex Premiership Academy players? If we scrap the Academy that's another line of potential youngs fans gone, pretty soon we'll have no fans left! The Brentford B squad is predominantly made up of a combination of released Prem academy players, youngsters from abroad (France and Scandinavia mostly, where they have good scouting and link with FC Midtjylland) and good youngsters from non-league, where they are constantly trialling players from.
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Post by pirate on Apr 18, 2021 19:50:18 GMT
Ankersen: How backroom investment pays off for Brentford BRENTFORD co-Director of Football Rasmus Ankersen says the club invests in specialist coaches to increase the value of their "assets" instead of paying big wages for players. The Bees had the fourth lowest wage bill in the Championship in 2016/17 (£15m), above only Preston, Rotherham and Burton. Identifying undervalued talent is key, before improving them using specialist coaches, Ankersen said. TGG has already written about some of these specialist coaches. Pole Bartek Sylwestrzak, billed as football's only full-time ball striking coach, worked for the Bees for four seasons up until the end of 2017/18. Italian set piece specialist Gianni Vio was there in 2015/16, while Danish sleep coach Anna West has also worked for the west London club. Ankersen told Sky Sports: “Recruitment is the bread and butter of Brentford because we have one of the lowest revenues in the league. We need to make the business sustainable by buying cheap and selling expensive, which is what we’ve done over the last few years. “It comes down to not only being able to identify undervalued talent in the market but also we invest a lot in the development of players. We invest in different types of specialists, whether it be sleep coaches, kicking coaches, to try and raise the level of the players who come in. Another good article here: talksport.com/football/fa-cup/659667/brentford-data-revolution-england-smartest-club-championship-leicester-fa-cup/ More good articles here: trainingground.guru/tags/teams/brentford/
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Post by lisbongas on Apr 18, 2021 19:52:22 GMT
o Clarke should be a player we get back to the club next season. A player who knows what this club is about and would certainly put some fire back into the team I can't recall many posters posting that last season? Perhaps instead of scrapping the Academy we need to work out why it's hardly producing any 1st team players. Not sure if being in London make it hard for Brentford to pick up the best youngsters but easy to pick up ex Premiership Academy players? If we scrap the Academy that's another line of potential youngs fans gone, pretty soon we'll have no fans left! Indeed far too many criticised Ollie last season but we have certainly missed him.
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Post by warehamgas on Apr 18, 2021 20:04:35 GMT
I can't recall many posters posting that last season? Perhaps instead of scrapping the Academy we need to work out why it's hardly producing any 1st team players. Not sure if being in London make it hard for Brentford to pick up the best youngsters but easy to pick up ex Premiership Academy players? If we scrap the Academy that's another line of potential youngs fans gone, pretty soon we'll have no fans left! Indeed far too many criticised Ollie last season but we have certainly missed him. As they say, you never knew what you had until it wasn’t there. UTG!
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Post by bluebiro on Apr 18, 2021 20:26:48 GMT
Indeed far too many criticised Ollie last season but we have certainly missed him. As they say, you never knew what you had until it wasn’t there. UTG! we certainly would have shown a bit more spark with him in the side. He has had a stint away from the club and is the type of player we need next season.bring him home
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 18, 2021 20:54:02 GMT
Brentford have 2 teams. The first team, and team B. No under 8's; 9's; 12's; 16's or Under 18;'s. they pick up players realeased by other clubs, or occaisionally buy players to take place of players they have sold. Is it time we did the same and put all our efforts in to the first team? Ben Garner was the first manager in over 10 years that didn’t select a youth team graduate in a squad. Worked well.
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Post by pirate on Apr 18, 2021 21:09:39 GMT
Brentford have 2 teams. The first team, and team B. No under 8's; 9's; 12's; 16's or Under 18;'s. they pick up players realeased by other clubs, or occaisionally buy players to take place of players they have sold. Is it time we did the same and put all our efforts in to the first team? Ben Garner was the first manager in over 10 years that didn’t select a youth team graduate in a squad. Worked well. Really? I remember him selecting Alfie Kilgour, Ollie Clarke and Lucas Tomlinson, plus giving debuts to Tom Mehew and Kieran Phillips.
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 18, 2021 21:15:58 GMT
Ben Garner was the first manager in over 10 years that didn’t select a youth team graduate in a squad. Worked well. Really? I remember him selecting Alfie Kilgour, Ollie Clarke and Lucas Tomlinson, plus giving debuts to Tom Mehew and Kieran Phillips. Sorry, not the squad but the first fixtures to not feature a youth team graduate in over a decade; Burton at home. Continued doing it for a few fixtures as well. Badly worded.
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Post by pirate on Apr 18, 2021 21:18:10 GMT
Really? I remember him selecting Alfie Kilgour, Ollie Clarke and Lucas Tomlinson, plus giving debuts to Tom Mehew and Kieran Phillips. Sorry, not the squad but the first fixtures to not feature a youth team graduate in over a decade; Burton at home. Continued doing it for a few fixtures as well. Badly worded. Oh, I see. Fair point then.
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Post by tbonegas on Apr 18, 2021 21:24:30 GMT
No, we have a proud record of producing our own and I would like to see it continue. Can the academy system improve? Certainly, but scrapping it when we are building a training ground for it to move into and the likes of Walker and Kilgour are in the first 11, would be a mistake. Ultimately some clubs have to have academies otherwise there would be no pathway for young players coming through. Walker didn't come through our academy. I agree there's too many mercenaries in the squad as it is, we need more Kilgour and Ollie Clarkes not more Harries and Barretts. We dont need more Kilgours. That would be catastrophic.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Apr 19, 2021 8:39:47 GMT
Thought this was about doing a Brentford as of 'building new ground, sign likes of Ivan Toney! Yes please, but as for youth policy i think we have a responsibility to the wider local community giving young kids something to aim for ' playing for Bristol Rovers under 12s' whatever may not be Man UTD but still gives kids a goal and sense of pride and achievement, clubs like ours have to find local talent to develope even if we do end up selling them eventually for a few bob.
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Post by LJG on Apr 19, 2021 9:17:51 GMT
o Clarke should be a player we get back to the club next season. A player who knows what this club is about and would certainly put some fire back into the team I can't recall many posters posting that last season? Perhaps instead of scrapping the Academy we need to work out why it's hardly producing any 1st team players. Not sure if being in London make it hard for Brentford to pick up the best youngsters but easy to pick up ex Premiership Academy players? If we scrap the Academy that's another line of potential youngs fans gone, pretty soon we'll have no fans left! You've been reading too much stevek. I've always said Ollie is quality and I was sorry to see him go.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Apr 19, 2021 10:05:18 GMT
I can't recall many posters posting that last season? Perhaps instead of scrapping the Academy we need to work out why it's hardly producing any 1st team players. Not sure if being in London make it hard for Brentford to pick up the best youngsters but easy to pick up ex Premiership Academy players? If we scrap the Academy that's another line of potential youngs fans gone, pretty soon we'll have no fans left! Indeed far too many criticised Ollie last season but we have certainly missed him. We have only missed him because his replacements have been even worse. If we want to be an average at best L1 side then O Clarke is a good player.
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