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Post by joebananas67 on May 14, 2021 22:33:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2021 22:42:09 GMT
I remember seeing Zamora and Ellington come on as subs, I think it was away to Wycombe, and thinking that we'd had a glimpse into what the future held for Rovers. Sadly Olly didn't agree.
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Post by wirralgas on May 14, 2021 22:55:04 GMT
It’s funny I saw Ellington and Zamora in a pre season friendly against Bridgwater town. They were awful and a friend of mine played against them at the back and had the easiest game of his life. This was before 99 2000 where Ellington broke through and Zamora was on fire at Brighton it’s a strange game sometimes
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Post by pirate on May 14, 2021 23:01:18 GMT
I remember seeing Zamora and Ellington come on as subs, I think it was away to Wycombe, and thinking that we'd had a glimpse into what the future held for Rovers. Sadly Olly didn't agree. Ollie offered Zamora a new contract, but the board wouldn't budge and give him better terms and was asking for an amount of money which fell outside our existing wage structure for players his age (offer was around the £600-£800 a week figure, can't remember exactly) and in the end let him leave because he was out of contract the following summer and had his heart set on the move to Brighton following his successful loan spell. Zamora felt he would get a better chance of regular first team football at Brighton, which was true when you consider the strikers we had at the time (ironically things changed soon after). As for the "pittance" that joeb talks about, the initial fee may only have been £100-150k or whatever it was, but we did end up making well over £1million after various add ons.
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Post by wirralgas on May 14, 2021 23:13:01 GMT
We sold roberts cureton and Zamora and replaced them with mickey evans and Martin Cameron the fee for Zamora paid for mickey evans belly. See I’m not a wum a gashead with a long memory
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Post by pirate on May 14, 2021 23:16:43 GMT
We sold roberts cureton and Zamora and replaced them with mickey evans and Martin Cameron the fee for Zamora paid for mickey evans belly. See I’m not a wum a gashead with a long memory Continually sell your best players and try to replace them for a fraction of the fee and eventually you are bound to come a cropper, especially at a club of our size.
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Post by wirralgas on May 14, 2021 23:19:20 GMT
We sold roberts cureton and Zamora and replaced them with mickey evans and Martin Cameron the fee for Zamora paid for mickey evans belly. See I’m not a wum a gashead with a long memory Continually sell your best players and try to replace them for a fraction of the fee and eventually you are bound to come a cropper, especially at a club of our size. Yes and sell Zamora for 100k and buy mickey evans for double that and you come a cropper even quicker
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Post by pirate on May 14, 2021 23:30:33 GMT
Continually sell your best players and try to replace them for a fraction of the fee and eventually you are bound to come a cropper, especially at a club of our size. Yes and sell Zamora for 100k and buy mickey evans for double that and you come a cropper even quicker Some shocking signings in his final season, but selling over £7million worth of talent during his time here is pretty impressive.
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Post by bluegas on May 15, 2021 6:43:28 GMT
We sold roberts cureton and Zamora and replaced them with mickey evans and Martin Cameron the fee for Zamora paid for mickey evans belly. See I’m not a wum a gashead with a long memory Continually sell your best players and try to replace them for a fraction of the fee and eventually you are bound to come a cropper, especially at a club of our size. Unfortunately it's what we've always done. At one time there was almost a team of First Div /Premier league players who'd played for Rovers.
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Post by daniel300380 on May 15, 2021 6:53:51 GMT
We sold roberts cureton and Zamora and replaced them with mickey evans and Martin Cameron the fee for Zamora paid for mickey evans belly. See I’m not a wum a gashead with a long memory Continually sell your best players and try to replace them for a fraction of the fee and eventually you are bound to come a cropper, especially at a club of our size. Isn’t that what the majority of clubs in the world do though??? Even C**y pay a lot less for players than they sell them for.
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Post by daniel300380 on May 15, 2021 6:55:52 GMT
We sold roberts cureton and Zamora and replaced them with mickey evans and Martin Cameron the fee for Zamora paid for mickey evans belly. See I’m not a wum a gashead with a long memory Don’t forget Justin Richards. Can remember when we signed him and Holloway said he reminded him of Jason Robert’s, but that he was even faster😂.
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Post by Rod1883 on May 15, 2021 7:19:43 GMT
I remember seeing Zamora and Ellington come on as subs, I think it was away to Wycombe, and thinking that we'd had a glimpse into what the future held for Rovers. Sadly Olly didn't agree. It was away at Wycombe. I was also there and my recollection is of two precocious talents. I think it was Ellington running through the Wycombe penalty area bouncing the ball on his shoulder that sticks with me. When Zamora was on loan at Brighton, Rovers Reserves were playing Brighton's at Worthing FC's ground. I went along and Zamora was there watching. I was able to get pretty close and say hello to him, but my main memory was the way the Brighton staff and players were all edging him on to join them. I remember writing to Holloway to inform him of this, but as you say Tilly, it seems Holloway wasn't too interested in keeping him. You could argue that the fee we got wasn't too bad for an unproven youngster, but.....
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Post by pirate on May 15, 2021 8:23:21 GMT
Continually sell your best players and try to replace them for a fraction of the fee and eventually you are bound to come a cropper, especially at a club of our size. Isn’t that what the majority of clubs in the world do though??? Even C**y pay a lot less for players than they sell them for. It is, but sometimes you need to speculate to accumulate when the opportunity presents itself. Maybe if we had got Piggott in the summer we wouldn't have suffered such a diabolical season.
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Post by stevek192 on May 15, 2021 9:37:28 GMT
Pirate of course you are correct but hindsight is a wonderful quality. Of course had we signed Piggott in the summer we would not have been relegated in the same way had we kept JCH we would not have been relegated. We failed because our clubs vision of the Peterborough method failed because we have no intention whatsoever of following the Peterborough method. Our aim was to bring players on and sell them for more than they cost with no intention to spend any or much of the profit on a replacement. The Peterborough method was to sell a striker for big bucks but then to use a fair proportion of that money 1.3m to buy a suitable replacement and they will no doubt sell JCH for a very large fee-possibly 7 m but will this time spend 2m on a replacement or maybe even get Piggott for less than that!! Its speculate to accumulate. the fact that Andy Tillson is still our record signing is why we will be supporting a League 2,1 or National League side for the forceable future!
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on May 15, 2021 14:07:41 GMT
Continually sell your best players and try to replace them for a fraction of the fee and eventually you are bound to come a cropper, especially at a club of our size. Unfortunately it's what we've always done. At one time there was almost a team of First Div /Premier league players who'd played for Rovers. These 9 must have been playing in the top flight at pretty much the same time in the early ‘90s. There must be a couple I’ve missed from that era, too. Nigel Martyn Steve Yates John Scales Nicky Tanner Gary Mabbutt Keith Curle Ian Holloway Gary Penrice Devon White A few years later Stewart, Hayles, Roberts were probably all playing in the premier league at about the same time, too.
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Post by albaron on May 15, 2021 14:16:10 GMT
It’s funny I saw Ellington and Zamora in a pre season friendly against Bridgwater town. They were awful and a friend of mine played against them at the back and had the easiest game of his life. This was before 99 2000 where Ellington broke through and Zamora was on fire at Brighton it’s a strange game sometimes I watched that game as well. Last minute equaliser if i remember. Must have been young Alan Hurfords son who is your friend. He said the same to me once.
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Post by axegas on May 15, 2021 14:56:07 GMT
We took risks then, we speculated to accumulate, some of our biggest transfers such as Tillson and Hayles paid off spectacularly. Sometimes you’ve got to take a chance and play a fairly large up front fee, to prise decent players away from other clubs and get good resale value when they perform. Nowadays we seem to have a lot of signings where we pinch players in the same league away on frees, sometimes this works but a lot of time we’ve ended up with a lot of mediocrity or worse with the likes of Upson, Westbrooke, Ehmer, Baldwin, Hanlan and so on. The clubs that lost these players replaced them fairly easily and weren’t terribly sorry to see them leave.
Would like for us to be braver, we’d never dream of taking another striker in our league for one million, but a similar sized club in Posh did and they are talking about recouping 8 million if they even decide to sell.
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Post by Jomo on May 15, 2021 15:14:20 GMT
We took risks then, we speculated to accumulate, some of our biggest transfers such as Tillson and Hayles paid off spectacularly. Sometimes you’ve got to take a chance and play a fairly large up front fee, to prise decent players away from other clubs and get good resale value when they perform. Nowadays we seem to have a lot of signings where we pinch players in the same league away on frees, sometimes this works but a lot of time we’ve ended up with a lot of mediocrity or worse with the likes of Upson, Westbrooke, Ehmer, Baldwin, Hanlan and so on. The clubs that lost these players replaced them fairly easily and weren’t terribly sorry to see them leave. Would like for us to be braver, we’d never dream other taking another striker in our league for one million, but a similar sized club in Posh did and they are talking about recouping 8 million if they even decide to sell. This. Posh might spend big sometimes, but they bring in much bigger and offset the fees on their successful players but also cover their losses on the occasional duds.
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