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Post by axegas on Jun 14, 2021 10:01:55 GMT
I’d prefer UK nations to qualify than not but after that it’s every man for themselves.
There’s a bit of revisionism going on here if people think there was ever a time that the majority or even a sizeable minority of Scots wanted England to do well on the International stage at Football.
There’s always been a competitive rivalry, with Scots looking at England in the same way that we look at our bigger neighbours Bristol City and would find it hilarious if they failed. It’s like the six nations, you beat England and you get the bragging rights until you next play.
Same goes for the Welsh who are playing a larger role on the international stage than they did previously, think they’ve qualified for the last few tournaments now.
All this “it’s coming home” stuff, whether said in sincerity or not, adds to it I think.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 14, 2021 10:03:20 GMT
I agree, it’s only rubbing shoulders with some of the minor U.K. nations you realise it’s actually genuine in a lot of cases - not just banter, they actually want us to fail. Wales I find is the exception. A lot of Welsh fans actually support England surprisingly. I feel the same way about them as they do about us - kind of don’t really dislike them but if they won anything you’d never hear the end of it! Scotland and Ireland though, def want them to fail. Referring to them as minor UK nations probably doesn't help... That’s what they are! Junior partners. Subordinate. We had a number of wars to establish this. I’m not sure why this grates so much, just accept their position and ours as imperial overlords and everyone should be happy!
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Post by axegas on Jun 14, 2021 10:06:50 GMT
Referring to them as minor UK nations probably doesn't help... That’s what they are! Junior partners. Subordinate. We had a number of wars to establish this. I’m not sure why this grates so much, just accept their position and ours as imperial overlords and everyone should be happy! Would you like it if I called you subordinate and looked over you diminishingly?
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Post by SleepyGas on Jun 14, 2021 10:09:32 GMT
Home nations are a weird one. I always want them to do well (as long as its not better than us), but when I watch their games I find myself supporting the other team. I definitely don't want them to do better than us, but would sya that about any country. I thought the Wales players really lacked class in the last Euros, celebrating us going out. That footage of them celebrating us getting knocked out to Iceland was possibly the exact moment I stopped rooting for them to do well.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 14, 2021 10:10:55 GMT
That’s what they are! Junior partners. Subordinate. We had a number of wars to establish this. I’m not sure why this grates so much, just accept their position and ours as imperial overlords and everyone should be happy! Would you like it if I called you subordinate and looked over you diminishingly? No, but I’m English. If I were Scottish or Welsh then, of course. That’s assuming you’re also English. If we’re both English then it’s determined by how close to the south east you live, your house value and if you have a regional accent. That’s what the class system was set up for 👍
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Post by Gassy on Jun 14, 2021 10:18:09 GMT
Let’s keep it football related please
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Post by gregsy on Jun 14, 2021 10:21:22 GMT
The 24 team set up used at both mexico 86 and Italia 90 has its pros and cons.... One definate pro is that no team is out of the competition after 2 matches so there's never any 'dead wood' fixtures for the last round of group games.... Thats a fait point, but I think with each dead wood fixture lost, there's bound to be some more. A quick example from the last Euros: England Vs Slovakia, final game of the group. England have 4 points in 2nd, Slovakia 3 in 3rd. Slovakia basically came and stuck 11 men behind the ball and we didn't really bother to attack them. Both teams knew they were through with a draw and were happy with that. In normal circumstances, that would have been a great game, with both teams going for it. I also dislike where you finish in our group and the difference it makes on who you play in the last of 16. Finish 1st and you play 2nd of another group. Finish 2nd and you play 2nd of another group. 3rd would have to play a winner, but theres no advantage to winning the group vs coming 2nd anymore. Yeah, as I said there are cons and a decent grasp of algebra is useful to decipher the last 16 draw.... Also its weird that when groups a - e are finished there are basically squads still in hotels and training camps uncertain of their fate until the last balls been kicked in group f....
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Post by axegas on Jun 14, 2021 10:26:48 GMT
Would you like it if I called you subordinate and looked over you diminishingly? No, but I’m English. If I were Scottish or Welsh then, of course. That’s assuming you’re also English. If we’re both English then it’s determined by how close to the south east you live, your house value and if you have a regional accent. That’s what the class system was set up for 👍 I mean it depends if you feel comfortable about feeling superior over others, I don’t. Let’s not forget that the union was formed after a Scot inherited the throne and proclaimed it. Similarly with the class system, just nonsense if your house value impacts the way you look at fellow human beings.
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Post by Gasshole on Jun 14, 2021 10:28:45 GMT
As a kid I supported Scotland for the ‘74 & 78 World Cups, due to England’s inability to qualify for anything. Watched the games filled in the wall charts had a scarf and re-enacted the games in the back garden. I was fascinated with the loyalty of the Tartan army. That stays with you, so I always wanted them to do well, even in 82 and 86, when England qualified. Same now I really hope they do well, just not against us. TBH I feel like a complete slag.
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Post by axegas on Jun 14, 2021 10:32:49 GMT
As a kid I supported Scotland for the ‘74 & 78 World Cups, due to England’s inability to qualify for anything. Watched the games filled in the wall charts had a scarf and re-enacted the games in the back garden. I was fascinated with the loyalty of the Tartan army. That stays with you, so I always wanted them to do well, even in 82 and 86, when England qualified. Same now I really hope they do well, just not against us. TBH I feel like a complete slag. I get why you feel like that, the Scottish National Football team have some great supporters, it’s a real asset of theirs. I think it helps that they play in blue and white too.
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Post by Gasshole on Jun 14, 2021 10:38:07 GMT
As a kid I supported Scotland for the ‘74 & 78 World Cups, due to England’s inability to qualify for anything. Watched the games filled in the wall charts had a scarf and re-enacted the games in the back garden. I was fascinated with the loyalty of the Tartan army. That stays with you, so I always wanted them to do well, even in 82 and 86, when England qualified. Same now I really hope they do well, just not against us. TBH I feel like a complete slag. I get why you feel like that, the Scottish National Football team have some great supporters, it’s a real asset of theirs. I think it helps that they play in blue and white too. Do you think Big Jock will let me crash on his sofa for a few months, I’d like to immerse myself in all things Scottish.
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jun 14, 2021 10:40:30 GMT
I get why you feel like that, the Scottish National Football team have some great supporters, it’s a real asset of theirs. I think it helps that they play in blue and white too. Do you think Big Jock will let me crash on his sofa for a few months, I’d like to immerse myself in all things Scottish. Slag.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 14, 2021 10:44:12 GMT
No, but I’m English. If I were Scottish or Welsh then, of course. That’s assuming you’re also English. If we’re both English then it’s determined by how close to the south east you live, your house value and if you have a regional accent. That’s what the class system was set up for 👍 I mean it depends if you feel comfortable about feeling superior over others, I don’t. Let’s not forget that the union was formed after a Scot inherited the throne and proclaimed it. Similarly with the class system, just nonsense if your house value impacts the way you look at fellow human beings. Everything I have written is entirely tongue in cheek and said purely for comic value. I would have thought the absurdity of it was self evident but evidently not!
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Post by Gasshole on Jun 14, 2021 10:45:16 GMT
Got my VPN sorted , absolutely pumped for the game. THE FLOWER OF SCOTLAND.....
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Post by axegas on Jun 14, 2021 11:01:16 GMT
I mean it depends if you feel comfortable about feeling superior over others, I don’t. Let’s not forget that the union was formed after a Scot inherited the throne and proclaimed it. Similarly with the class system, just nonsense if your house value impacts the way you look at fellow human beings. Everything I have written is entirely tongue in cheek and said purely for comic value. I would have thought the absurdity of it was self evident but evidently not! Yeah fair enough, I’m guilty of a sense of humour bypass evidently. You can never be sure with some of the nutters on here sometimes.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jun 14, 2021 11:05:11 GMT
Everything I have written is entirely tongue in cheek and said purely for comic value. I would have thought the absurdity of it was self evident but evidently not! Yeah fair enough, I’m guilty of a sense of humour bypass evidently. You can never be sure with some of the nutters on here sometimes. I have Irish and Welsh colleagues and I have a lot of fun winding them up with these types of comments.
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Post by Big Jock on Jun 14, 2021 11:10:56 GMT
Lookin forward ta th big one today, wanna spank th Czechs more than any team in this group, hoping for a good showing, Scotland ain’t great but they seem ta be finding ways ta grind out results. Not expecting much tbh but hope they get out there an give it a good go, it’s been too long. Hoping for 3 massive points which will make fridays game even tastier for us all. Enjoy evryone …… whoever yous support
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Post by gregsy on Jun 14, 2021 11:11:08 GMT
I'm really looking forward to this one....
You get the impression that a draw isn't going to be desirable for either side....
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 14, 2021 11:18:39 GMT
Got my VPL sorted , absolutely pumped for the game. THE FLOWER OF SCOTLAND..... Fixed that for you 😇
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Post by Gassy on Jun 14, 2021 11:21:15 GMT
I'm really looking forward to this one.... You get the impression that a draw isn't going to be desirable for either side.... But at the same time, loser is almost certainly out. Big stakes today. Czech are no mugs and Scotland is a team thats ever improving. Should be a great game
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