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Post by Gassy on May 25, 2021 21:27:12 GMT
Then I'd be going
----------Henderson TAA - Walker - Maguire - Shaw -----Mount -- Henderson---- Sancho ---- Foden ---- Sterling ------------Kane
Guarantee that TAA & Walker will be replaced by James & Stones respectively. Most likely Phillips to replace Henderson as well.
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Post by gregsy on May 25, 2021 21:36:45 GMT
Then I'd be going ----------Henderson TAA - Walker - Maguire - Shaw -----Mount -- Henderson---- Sancho ---- Foden ---- Sterling ------------Kane Guarantee that TAA & Walker will be replaced by James & Stones respectively. Most likely Phillips to replace Henderson as well. Strong foward line, but defensively questionable.... England to do what England has always done.... High tempo attack....
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Post by yattongas on May 25, 2021 21:38:42 GMT
Then I'd be going ----------Henderson TAA - Walker - Maguire - Shaw -----Mount -- Henderson---- Sancho ---- Foden ---- Sterling ------------Kane Guarantee that TAA & Walker will be replaced by James & Stones respectively. Most likely Phillips to replace Henderson as well. Strong foward line, but defensively questionable.... England to do what England has always done.... High tempo attack.... pretty sure whatever defensive lineup we chose would be questionable. Thats our problem in my opinion.
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Post by Gassy on May 25, 2021 21:51:11 GMT
Strong foward line, but defensively questionable.... England to do what England has always done.... High tempo attack.... pretty sure whatever defensive lineup we chose would be questionable. Thats our problem in my opinion. Yeah agreed. Not sure how it can be improved with the current players. We have an abundance of superb RBs and LB looks good with Chilwell & Shaw. But the CBs..... We also need a world class CDM which we're missing right now. I'm sure Rice will fill that well eventually, but he's not ready yet IMO.
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Post by gregsy on May 25, 2021 21:58:05 GMT
International tornaments, historically always need a good attacking / creative CM.... We haven't really had one since gazza.... Apologies to frank and Stevie....
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Post by yattongas on May 25, 2021 21:58:12 GMT
pretty sure whatever defensive lineup we chose would be questionable. Thats our problem in my opinion. Yeah agreed. Not sure how it can be improved with the current players. We have an abundance of superb RBs and LB looks good with Chilwell & Shaw. But the CBs..... We also need a world class CDM which we're missing right now. I'm sure Rice will fill that well eventually, but he's not ready yet IMO. I’m not that convinced by our full backs either to be honest . We’re ok but not Good enough to win a tournament. Rice is good but inexperienced at tournament level , Shaw is ok but not great and not convinced by chilwell . As a back three we’ll get exposed. We’ve got fullbacks who can bomb on but they can’t defend well enough
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Post by Qatar Gas on May 26, 2021 5:22:24 GMT
This has to be one of our strongest attacking squads we have ever had? Just a shame we don't have the defensive qualities of 2002-2004, that would be incredible.
I understand the five sub rule will be used? With so many attacking options this can work in our favour.
Hopefully Southgate sticks to a back four, we saw recently that when going to a back five we were far less effective going forward so lets just go for the 'we will try to score more than you'! With that in mind, I think Walker is the starting RB as he is better defensively.
Picking the front three is tough. Kane and Foden are the first two picks then you have to pick one of Stirling/Rashford/Sancho/Grealish. Personally I would go for one of either Stirling or Rashford for some pace. In one of our games recently we had a front three of Kane, Mount and Foden and we lacked pace, especially on the counter. Mount also starts but part of the midfield three. If you put him higher, then another front player has to miss out.
Southgate will also go for his two holding/defensive midfielders. None of us complain about Rice being one of them. The other will be Henderson if fit or Phillips. That's why Mount needs to be in there with them. You can also play Grealish there too.
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Post by Qatar Gas on May 26, 2021 5:25:36 GMT
Yeah agreed. Not sure how it can be improved with the current players. We have an abundance of superb RBs and LB looks good with Chilwell & Shaw. But the CBs..... We also need a world class CDM which we're missing right now. I'm sure Rice will fill that well eventually, but he's not ready yet IMO. I’m not that convinced by our full backs either to be honest . We’re ok but not Good enough to win a tournament. Rice is good but inexperienced at tournament level , Shaw is ok but not great and not convinced by chilwell . As a back three we’ll get exposed. We’ve got fullbacks who can bomb on but they can’t defend well enough That's why I think Walker gets the nod at RB because he is better defensively. Against the weak sides you can play all the wingbacks, but not in this tournament. If fit, Henderson plays alongside Rice. I know there are a lot of mixed opinions on him as he is does the simple stuff, but we lack a few leaders across the pitch and his experience in this regard is valuable.
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Post by yattongas on May 26, 2021 6:12:21 GMT
I’m not that convinced by our full backs either to be honest . We’re ok but not Good enough to win a tournament. Rice is good but inexperienced at tournament level , Shaw is ok but not great and not convinced by chilwell . As a back three we’ll get exposed. We’ve got fullbacks who can bomb on but they can’t defend well enough That's why I think Walker gets the nod at RB because he is better defensively. Against the weak sides you can play all the wingbacks, but not in this tournament. If fit, Henderson plays alongside Rice. I know there are a lot of mixed opinions on him as he is does the simple stuff, but we lack a few leaders across the pitch and his experience in this regard is valuable. Agreed on Walker , his experience and pace is a must . Not so sure we can play Rice and Henderson in the same side unless we were up against a side like France in the latter stages. I’d play one or the other in the group games with creative players around them.
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Post by darkbluegas on May 26, 2021 7:54:04 GMT
It’s hard to be objective watching England in major tournaments but this has to be as nailed on a opportunity as there’s ever been to win a major. Every game at home for a side with the experience of Russia behind them. That experience will be vital in winning this one. Bar a few minutes is self doubt England would be the current World Cup holders and odds on favourites for this one.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on May 26, 2021 7:57:59 GMT
I’m not that convinced by our full backs either to be honest . We’re ok but not Good enough to win a tournament. Rice is good but inexperienced at tournament level , Shaw is ok but not great and not convinced by chilwell . As a back three we’ll get exposed. We’ve got fullbacks who can bomb on but they can’t defend well enough That's why I think Walker gets the nod at RB because he is better defensively. Against the weak sides you can play all the wingbacks, but not in this tournament. If fit, Henderson plays alongside Rice. I know there are a lot of mixed opinions on him as he is does the simple stuff, but we lack a few leaders across the pitch and his experience in this regard is valuable. The problem with Walker in the past has been his head. He’s been susceptible to making mistakes in big games and that would worry me. I would have liked Wan Bissaka in the squad.
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Post by Qatar Gas on May 26, 2021 8:26:43 GMT
That's why I think Walker gets the nod at RB because he is better defensively. Against the weak sides you can play all the wingbacks, but not in this tournament. If fit, Henderson plays alongside Rice. I know there are a lot of mixed opinions on him as he is does the simple stuff, but we lack a few leaders across the pitch and his experience in this regard is valuable. The problem with Walker in the past has been his head. He’s been susceptible to making mistakes in big games and that would worry me. I would have liked Wan Bissaka in the squad. Agreed, but they all have mistakes in them. Pickford, Stones etc. I think its something we are just going to have to live with and as long as our attacking players are firing we should be ok.
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Post by Qatar Gas on May 26, 2021 8:28:55 GMT
That's why I think Walker gets the nod at RB because he is better defensively. Against the weak sides you can play all the wingbacks, but not in this tournament. If fit, Henderson plays alongside Rice. I know there are a lot of mixed opinions on him as he is does the simple stuff, but we lack a few leaders across the pitch and his experience in this regard is valuable. Agreed on Walker , his experience and pace is a must . Not so sure we can play Rice and Henderson in the same side unless we were up against a side like France in the latter stages. I’d play one or the other in the group games with creative players around them. I agree that we only need to play two of these types of players against the big boys but I would be amazed if Southgate doesn't have two of Rice/Henderson/Phillips starting the first game. I can even see him starting all three against one of the better sides which would really hamper our attacking play.
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Post by gulfofaden on May 26, 2021 16:36:15 GMT
This is a weird one for me as I don’t watch any terrestrial TV or sky, so I have no idea about the premiership. I couldn’t even name you the starting 11 - Sterling, Maguire, mason mount (is he English?), erm, Harry Kane, lindgard? Stones? That’s about all I’ve got.
I really like international football and always have. I don’t like big club football, it’s everything I dislike about football in one package. Massive powerful clubs, fake “I want a team who wins” fans.....the whole thing is just odious. Oh, and teams full of players who can’t even speak the same language, representing a team who’s name they can barely pronounce. It’s like corporate football, the best way I can explain it. It’s supposed to have some semblance to the area. Any of the big clubs you could pick up and put down in Djibouti and it would just be another brand.
I would like to see international football being the main event, the highest level. Club football to be a domestic thing. 3 foreign players in a lineup.
People would gravitate towards their local team more and their country. This is a good thing. It’s a good thing to have community clubs. It’s a good thing to be patriotic.
Anyway, does anyone actually think we have a chance and this is indeed the best group we’ve had for a while? The last time I saw them at the WC they seemed a lot of headless chickens with lots of pace, playing pretty triangles.
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Post by axegas on May 26, 2021 17:03:29 GMT
Then I'd be going ----------Henderson TAA - Walker - Maguire - Shaw -----Mount -- Henderson---- Sancho ---- Foden ---- Sterling ------------Kane Guarantee that TAA & Walker will be replaced by James & Stones respectively. Most likely Phillips to replace Henderson as well. My team would be: ...............Pope TAA..Stones...Maguire..Shaw .........Rice..Henderson Sancho....Mount...Foden ...............Kane..........
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Post by Gassy on May 26, 2021 18:01:08 GMT
Then I'd be going ----------Henderson TAA - Walker - Maguire - Shaw -----Mount -- Henderson---- Sancho ---- Foden ---- Sterling ------------Kane Guarantee that TAA & Walker will be replaced by James & Stones respectively. Most likely Phillips to replace Henderson as well. My team would be: ...............Pope TAA..Stones...Maguire..Shaw .........Rice..Henderson Sancho....Mount...Foden ...............Kane.......... Looks good mate, I originally had Rice next to Henderson but thought I just couldn't leave Mount out. Was also thinking Stones, but the guy is a calamity. Always a mistake to give away a goal in there
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2021 18:34:53 GMT
Then I'd be going ----------Henderson TAA - Walker - Maguire - Shaw -----Mount -- Henderson---- Sancho ---- Foden ---- Sterling ------------Kane Guarantee that TAA & Walker will be replaced by James & Stones respectively. Most likely Phillips to replace Henderson as well. My team would be: ...............Pope TAA..Stones...Maguire..Shaw .........Rice..Henderson Sancho....Mount...Foden ...............Kane.......... I’d definitely go with the same formation. Pickford didn’t start the season too well but has been very solid recently. I think Pope is currently injured and has made some big mistakes this season (as has Henderson) but because they are not England number 1 they don’t get the same level of scrutiny. Pickford has had massive moments for England and never really let us down - I’d certainly rather him than Frances’s keeper who always looks an accident waiting to happen. My team would be, .....Pickford TAA...Stones...Maguire...Shaw .....Mount/Bellingham..& Rice ...Foden...Grealish...Sterling .............Kane..........
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 26, 2021 18:37:00 GMT
Then I'd be going ----------Henderson TAA - Walker - Maguire - Shaw -----Mount -- Henderson---- Sancho ---- Foden ---- Sterling ------------Kane Guarantee that TAA & Walker will be replaced by James & Stones respectively. Most likely Phillips to replace Henderson as well. My team would be: ...............Pope TAA..Stones...Maguire..Shaw .........Rice..Henderson Sancho....Mount...Foden ...............Kane.......... Pope's not even in the squad due to injury.
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Post by axegas on May 26, 2021 18:42:38 GMT
My team would be: ...............Pope TAA..Stones...Maguire..Shaw .........Rice..Henderson Sancho....Mount...Foden ...............Kane.......... Looks good mate, I originally had Rice next to Henderson but thought I just couldn't leave Mount out. Was also thinking Stones, but the guy is a calamity. Always a mistake to give away a goal in there Stones has had a great 12 months, signs of maturing as a footballer, deserves that start imo. Walker is interesting one, not seen him in a back four and would tend to say it could be too much of risk going into a major tournament to experiment. Rice absolutely has to be in, such an accomplished footballer for a young player. Would suit a 4-2-3-1 formation too, our best midfielder currently IMO. Additionally it frees mount for a more attacking role.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on May 26, 2021 18:42:48 GMT
I would probably go
----Pickford----- (By default)
Walker---Stones---Maguire---Shaw--(not sure if Stones is right or left sided for Man City? Think he maybe left but all 4 play for both Manchester clubs, we are spoilt for choice at RB, Trippier and TAA are also very good but with different qualities)
-----Henderson-----Rice--- (Solid but unspectacular, steady the ship, maybe drop one of them against smaller teams)
--Sancho----Foden----Mount (I think Sancho is the only one used to playing on the right, Sterling and Grealish, Greenwood and Rashford wouldn't be far behind, we have a lot of strength in this position).
-----------Kane----------
(no reason needed)
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