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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 14, 2021 10:42:46 GMT
I know a man who was in hospital, and on a ventilator for 3 months. Luckily he survived but has lost most of his strength. He has been told it could take years to get it back. 147,000 have died from this.
Those 2 things alone made me get the jabs, and no they didn't hurt and I had no side affects at all.
To stop yourself from becoming very ill, lying on your stomach with a tube in to your lungs, or dying in a very bad way through not being able to breathe, then I would suggest you have the jabs. If you dont you caould easily catch it and cause your family and friends a lot of anxiety
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jul 14, 2021 10:44:05 GMT
When I got my 2nd jab a few weeks ago they wouldn't fill the card out. They said it was purely done off the app now and the card was therefore meaningless. You do have the option from within the app to download a PDF copy of the COVID Pass or receive an offline copy by e-mail. Presumably for travel you would need this to be accompanied with some form of photo ID, but not sure how such a thing would work on the turnstiles at Rovers. I suspect you'll be able to just flash anything with an NHS logo on it at them and they will let you in... My mum doesn't have a mobile phone or computer, she also doesn't have photo ID as she doesn't drive or travel abroad. Just wondering if some of our more mature supporters will have similar issues re. proof of vaccination - or maybe my mum is the last of the dinosaurs? The website says you can also request by calling 119 if you do not have access to a smartphone, computer or tablet. She won't be the only one. Edit - with link www.gov.uk/guidance/demonstrating-your-covid-19-status
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Post by SleepyGas on Jul 14, 2021 10:46:04 GMT
When I got my 2nd jab a few weeks ago they wouldn't fill the card out. They said it was purely done off the app now and the card was therefore meaningless. You do have the option from within the app to download a PDF copy of the COVID Pass or receive an offline copy by e-mail. Presumably for travel you would need this to be accompanied with some form of photo ID, but not sure how such a thing would work on the turnstiles at Rovers. I suspect you'll be able to just flash anything with an NHS logo on it at them and they will let you in... My mum doesn't have a mobile phone or computer, she also doesn't have photo ID as she doesn't drive or travel abroad. Just wondering if some of our more mature supporters will have similar issues re. proof of vaccination - or maybe my mum is the last of the dinosaurs? I am sure that the club will release some information on what will be required to enter the ground closer to the time.. perhaps they will accept one of those card things that have your vaccine batch number and dates on? We shall see.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 14, 2021 11:01:19 GMT
i have no issue with your choice, what i have an issue with is you may want the same rights as people who are vaccinated. If any establishment wants proof of vaccination from you to protect either its staff or its customers, then you must accept the consequences of opting out of the vaccination programme then it should apply to all self inflected ailments. Hope everyone is below their BMI not drinking too much or its back at the queue it is for you but my drinking habits or weight will not infect and kill you would it ? , your point has no meaning in this context
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Post by SleepyGas on Jul 14, 2021 11:04:41 GMT
Ahh that's very interesting, thanks
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Post by bluebiro on Jul 14, 2021 11:21:05 GMT
My mum doesn't have a mobile phone or computer, she also doesn't have photo ID as she doesn't drive or travel abroad. Just wondering if some of our more mature supporters will have similar issues re. proof of vaccination - or maybe my mum is the last of the dinosaurs? The website says you can also request by calling 119 if you do not have access to a smartphone, computer or tablet. She won't be the only one. Edit - with link www.gov.uk/guidance/demonstrating-your-covid-19-statusweirdly need internet access to find the number if you dont have internet access.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 14, 2021 11:22:56 GMT
You can't catch obesity from sitting near someone on the bus, though. this was on response to nhs care and priority. I appreciate that, I don't think it's a fair comparison though. Abusive patients aside, treating those patients won't necessarily put the doctors, nurses and others at personal risk.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 14, 2021 11:34:21 GMT
then it should apply to all self inflected ailments. Hope everyone is below their BMI not drinking too much or its back at the queue it is for you but my drinking habits or weight will not infect and kill you would it ? , your point has no meaning in this context As I said in an earlier post its their right not to have the injections, but they cant complain if public events are restricted for them, or prohibited altogether. Sure most of them would have no issues if they were getting jabs before a holiday abroad ffs.
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Post by poorblue on Jul 14, 2021 11:48:56 GMT
Proven data. The Royal Navy aircraft carrier QE2 is today reporting that over 100 of the crew of about 1000 sailors has contracted covid. They have all been double vaccinated. i.e. 10% of the crew. Extrapolate that into the crowd at the Mem and a crowd of 6000 could result into 600 infections. 8000 crowd 800 infections. Infections possibly more as some fans won't be double jabbed. That logic is flawed when you give a seconds thought to the environment they are in compared to the outside open air Mem. Falsenumber9 Your "logic" is "false" and flawed if you took perhaps more than a few second to think about it. 100% of the crew were double vaccinated, 10% to date caught covid FACT. Where did they catch the virus afloat or ashore, who knows?. Fans not only attend open stadiums but buses, offices, pubs, shop and restaurants. Oh the hokey cokey left leg in and shake it all about! Fact: some people still catch and die from covid even if double vaccinated, other will be hospitalised but won't die, others will suffer Long Covid. So a Mem crowd of 6000 fans could result in 10% catching covid so 600 people catching it! So non vaccinated deaths at 10% is 60 fans, vaccinated deaths lessens the risk to 6 fans. So until say another 3 months time when more people are vaccinated and the risk greatly lowered again life should get back together based on health not financial grounds. Covid will be with us forever so get used to it but not in the very short term. Wear a mask, that's logic
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Post by Wimborne Gas on Jul 14, 2021 11:53:01 GMT
weirdly need internet access to find the number if you dont have internet access. It has been stated elsewhere over recent months (national newspapers etc), not just online. The website is the easiest link for here as you wouldn't be on the forum anyway if you didn't have internet access.
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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 14, 2021 11:55:29 GMT
Covid respects neither of us. But the anti vaxxers are happy to take the risk, get infected, pass it on to others who may die as a result. Go figure. Oh and then ask health care professionals to risk their lives caring for them when they are ill...ummmm You keep thinking that if it makes you feel better
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Post by baggins on Jul 14, 2021 11:56:54 GMT
But the anti vaxxers are happy to take the risk, get infected, pass it on to others who may die as a result. Go figure. Oh and then ask health care professionals to risk their lives caring for them when they are ill...ummmm You keep thinking that if it makes you feel better Being vaccinated makes me feel better.
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Post by aghast on Jul 14, 2021 11:57:29 GMT
I know a couple of anti-vaxers and both buy in to one or all of the crackpot internet notions like it will alter their DNA, give them HIV, or allow the government to control their minds in various increasingly bizarre ways.
Disregarding the loonies, why don't some people want the vaccine? Is it sheer dig-your-heels-in bloody-mindedness, and sod everyone else? Or some genuine fear that it will do them more harm than good?
All the scientific evidence made public suggests that it reduces infection, contagion, hospitalisations, and deaths. It helps the people taking it and it helps those who are vulnerable. That is what the government, the NHS, and pretty much the worldwide scientific community says.
So unless the aforementioned bodies are ignorant and/or lying to us, I'd like to know why and how the anti-vaxers know something the rest of us don't.
Maybe they can share that information with us. Surely they're not just refusing to be vaccinated on principle because they don't like being advised on what to do??
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Post by baggins on Jul 14, 2021 11:59:58 GMT
I know a couple of anti-vaxers and both buy in to one or all of the crackpot internet notions like it will alter their DNA, give them HIV, or allow the government to control their minds in various increasingly bizarre ways. Disregarding the loonies, why don't some people want the vaccine? Is it sheer dig-your-heels-in bloody-mindedness, and sod everyone else? Or some genuine fear that it will do them more harm than good? All the scientific evidence made public suggests that it reduces infection, contagion, hospitalisations, and deaths. It helps the people taking it and it helps those who are vulnerable. That is what the government, the NHS, and pretty much the worldwide scientific community says. So unless the aforementioned bodies are ignorant and/or lying to us, I'd like to know why and how the anti-vaxers know something the rest of us don't. Maybe they can share that information with us. Surely they're not just refusing to be vaccinated on principle because they don't like being advised on what to do?? The few I know who aren't having it believe it hasn't been tested enough.
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Post by RD on Jul 14, 2021 12:12:13 GMT
I know a couple of anti-vaxers and both buy in to one or all of the crackpot internet notions like it will alter their DNA, give them HIV, or allow the government to control their minds in various increasingly bizarre ways. Disregarding the loonies, why don't some people want the vaccine? Is it sheer dig-your-heels-in bloody-mindedness, and sod everyone else? Or some genuine fear that it will do them more harm than good? All the scientific evidence made public suggests that it reduces infection, contagion, hospitalisations, and deaths. It helps the people taking it and it helps those who are vulnerable. That is what the government, the NHS, and pretty much the worldwide scientific community says. So unless the aforementioned bodies are ignorant and/or lying to us, I'd like to know why and how the anti-vaxers know something the rest of us don't. Maybe they can share that information with us. Surely they're not just refusing to be vaccinated on principle because they don't like being advised on what to do?? The few I know who aren't having it believe it hasn't been tested enough. Really does make you P?!s yourself doesn't it - as not only have ALL testing trials been fully undertaken, it's now been "tested" on 100s of millions of people worldwide. You really couldn't make it up.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 14, 2021 12:17:45 GMT
Most of the people that aren't taking it fall into one of the following categories (or maybe all 4!) from my experience:
1) conspiracists about everything 2) don't like being told what to do (this seems common nowadays) 3) on the wacky backy 4) get influenced easily by others
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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 14, 2021 12:19:35 GMT
You keep thinking that if it makes you feel better Being vaccinated makes me feel better. Good for you mate , I’m pleased for you
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 14, 2021 12:19:49 GMT
Most of the people that aren't taking it fall into one of the following categories (or maybe all 3!) from my experience: 1) conspiracists about everything 2) don't like being told what to do (this seems common nowadays) 3) on the wacky backy I like the strange ones who think its a way of tracking where everyone is, yet at the same time continue to plaster their whereabouts with pics/vids all over social media each and every f**king day. 100% the 2nd one. Must be British thing
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Post by baggins on Jul 14, 2021 12:21:21 GMT
Being vaccinated makes me feel better. Good for you mate , I’m pleased for you Ta. Good luck.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 14, 2021 12:21:40 GMT
Most of the people that aren't taking it fall into one of the following categories (or maybe all 3!) from my experience: 1) conspiracists about everything 2) don't like being told what to do (this seems common nowadays) 3) on the wacky backy I like the strange ones who think its a way of tracking where everyone is, yet at the same time continue to plaster their whereabouts with pics/vids all over social media each and every f**king day. 100% the 2nd one. Must be British thing From my experience it's not just a British thing.
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