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Post by Okebournegas on Jul 19, 2021 23:17:23 GMT
Well if that is the case then unfortunately my season ticket will be going in the bin. Seems a bit too much like coercion to me but I’m sticking to my guns on this one. Yep, me too. Thing is I was asking about restrictions/conditions before ordering, and the safety officer was of the opinion there wouldn't be any. So I renewed. Goes to show this is being imposed, rather than BRFC as a business deciding it's own policy. I will ask for a refund though, as the goal mouth has been moved (excuse the pun). What a sad turn of events, when people with no symptoms and a belief in their own immune system are barred from entry. Okebourne, I'd just like to say you've stood your ground with great integrity during this debate. Really appreciate that my friend , thank you.
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Post by pirate on Jul 19, 2021 23:46:38 GMT
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Post by RD on Jul 20, 2021 4:49:42 GMT
Well if that is the case then unfortunately my season ticket will be going in the bin. Seems a bit too much like coercion to me but I’m sticking to my guns on this one. Yep, me too. Thing is I was asking about restrictions/conditions before ordering, and the safety officer was of the opinion there wouldn't be any. So I renewed. Goes to show this is being imposed, rather than BRFC as a business deciding it's own policy. I will ask for a refund though, as the goal mouth has been moved (excuse the pun). What a sad turn of events, when people with no symptoms and a belief in their own immune system are barred from entry. Okebourne, I'd just like to say you've stood your ground with great integrity during this debate. Hold off requesting a refund for now. I wouldn't be surprised to see a government u-turn on this one (which would be hugely out of character for them, I know)
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 20, 2021 5:25:56 GMT
Something has to be done or we'll be in lockdown for ever given the latest Delta strain seems to be running rampant in even vaccinated people.
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Post by james246 on Jul 20, 2021 6:13:34 GMT
Covid statistics from a few days ago - I always knew we could beat China at something, but seriously these figures make for grim reading and right now it looks that the disparity between the two nations will get much worse.
China confirmed cases 104,257 deaths 4,848
UK confirmed cases 5,407,428 deaths 128,960
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 20, 2021 6:22:09 GMT
Covid statistics from a few days ago - I always knew we could beat China at something, but seriously these figures make for grim reading and right now it looks that the disparity between the two nations will get much worse. China confirmed cases 104,257 deaths 4,848 UK confirmed cases 5,407,428 deaths 128,960 You believe the figures that China publishes??
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 6:24:40 GMT
Covid statistics from a few days ago - I always knew we could beat China at something, but seriously these figures make for grim reading and right now it looks that the disparity between the two nations will get much worse. China confirmed cases 104,257 deaths 4,848 UK confirmed cases 5,407,428 deaths 128,960 You believe the figures that China publishes?? Don't particularly believe ANY figures from this whole sh** show. We had more cases than India yesterday too. Really? Genuine Q. How are the UK counting cases?
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 20, 2021 6:33:53 GMT
You believe the figures that China publishes?? Don't particularly believe ANY figures from this whole sh** show. We had more cases than India yesterday too. Really? Genuine Q. How are the UK counting cases? I agree with you every Country does it differently and it will also depend on how much testing you do. I listened to a piece the other day on the radio where relatives of folk who had so say died of Covid were complaining bitterley because they had actually died of something else but because they had a positive test in the last 28 days it went on their death certificate as Covid. So find it hard to believe any of the figures.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 20, 2021 6:35:12 GMT
You believe the figures that China publishes?? Don't particularly believe ANY figures from this whole sh** show. We had more cases than India yesterday too. Really? Genuine Q. How are the UK counting cases? Start at 1. Then 2,3,4....etc It's difficult at first but I'm confident if you stick at it you'll get the hang of it eventually.
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Post by bluebiro on Jul 20, 2021 7:08:50 GMT
Covid statistics from a few days ago - I always knew we could beat China at something, but seriously these figures make for grim reading and right now it looks that the disparity between the two nations will get much worse. China confirmed cases 104,257 deaths 4,848 UK confirmed cases 5,407,428 deaths 128,960 You believe the figures that China publishes?? the only country that have been open and upfront with it since the beginning.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jul 20, 2021 7:13:02 GMT
Covid statistics from a few days ago - I always knew we could beat China at something, but seriously these figures make for grim reading and right now it looks that the disparity between the two nations will get much worse. China confirmed cases 104,257 deaths 4,848 UK confirmed cases 5,407,428 deaths 128,960 Yeah I somehow don’t believe China when it comes to those official statistics.
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 20, 2021 7:35:55 GMT
You believe the figures that China publishes?? the only country that have been open and upfront with it since the beginning. Aye
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Post by warehamgas on Jul 20, 2021 7:40:04 GMT
Covid statistics from a few days ago - I always knew we could beat China at something, but seriously these figures make for grim reading and right now it looks that the disparity between the two nations will get much worse. China confirmed cases 104,257 deaths 4,848 UK confirmed cases 5,407,428 deaths 128,960 Always presuming you believe what comes out of the mouths of the Chinese government! UTG! edit: Apologies Trevor, you beat me to it!
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Post by albowlly on Jul 20, 2021 7:40:38 GMT
He was right. It's a pity that, like virtually all politicians, he doesn't seem to have the integrity to stand up for what he said then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 8:08:03 GMT
Don't particularly believe ANY figures from this whole sh** show. We had more cases than India yesterday too. Really? Genuine Q. How are the UK counting cases? Start at 1. Then 2,3,4....etc It's difficult at first but I'm confident if you stick at it you'll get the hang of it eventually. Thanks. 🖕
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Post by adrian301 on Jul 20, 2021 9:37:18 GMT
Pirate, I applaud your attempts to bring some of the government hypocrisy and lies to the debate. Trouble is, if all you've ever based your views on has been 24 hour fear porn from the BBC, you will probably accept the government line and not apply critical thinking. This virus apparently can count, tell the time, squeeze through walls, know when you're going to the loo.... I won't be engaging with anybody who hasn't yet realised what is happening and what is coming. I wish everybody on here the very best of health, and if you believe your health is better protected with or without the jab, then we should all respect that decision.
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Post by LJG on Jul 20, 2021 9:40:12 GMT
Like I said the driving licence analogy doesn't quite fit on account of it is easier to choose not to drive than it is to choose to effectively be outside normal society. What all of this ignores is borderline cases. One example (I'm sure there are others) - there are not firm answers around the vaccine and breastfeeding mothers. The risks of covid to mother and child are known and assessable. The risks of the vaccine to the breastfed child are largely unknown and unquantifiable - my wife and I have been asking and searching extensively but the answers just aren't there. On that basis the weight of the decision comes down on the side of known risks vs the unknown. With that being the case my wife will probably not have the vaccine for at least another six months. So, it seems like the upshot of that is that she must accept that she cannot partake in normal life for that time. She would like to attend the odd Rovers game, certainly would like to go to the pub, we don't know yet but she may be prevented from visiting certain shops or shopping centres. It is a massive removal of liberty and, as was my original point, people who have some scepticism of it aren't anti-vaxxers or conspiracy theorists just for that reason. Genuine question re: the shops/shopping centres - has there been talk one way or another about the idea of vaccine passport being used in those settings? I've only heard it mentioned in terms of sports/pubs/events so curious if I've missed something I think the two key factors to this idea of depriving people from 'normal' life come down to 1) how long the vaccine passport is in effect for, and 2) what services/occasions/aspects of life it is limited to I'd completely agree with any push back against a permenant vaccine passport, equally I'd agree if it was being introduced for essential services like supermarkets, pharmacies, etc., but to my knowledge neither of those are the case at the moment? So aside from the 'conspiracy theory' angle I'm struggling to see the justification for push back against this at this point in time - people can obtain vaccine passport and attend 'non essential' things like Rovers games for now, or not get one and not attend At a point where consensus is that the risk has reduced significantly enough to do away with them, if there's an attempt to keep them in place then push back against the decision at that point; if there is a later attempt to extend these into essential services like supermarkets then push back against the decision at that point; but is there really an immediate rationale to oppose this scheme so heavily? I don't get it In partial answer to your question about shops etc President Macron proposes that in order to visit a relative in hospital, a shopping centre or cinema or to travel by air or long-distance by train a vaccine passport will be required. www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-make-covid-19-shot-mandatory-health-workers-bfm-tv-2021-07-12/Boris now says they are required for all entertainment venues and a negative lateral flow test will not suffice. www.reuters.com/world/uk/entertainment-venues-england-make-customers-use-vaccination-passports-the-times-2021-07-09/
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Post by oldie on Jul 20, 2021 9:45:55 GMT
Pirate, I applaud your attempts to bring some of the government hypocrisy and lies to the debate. Trouble is, if all you've ever based your views on has been 24 hour fear porn from the BBC, you will probably accept the government line and not apply critical thinking. This virus apparently can count, tell the time, squeeze through walls, know when you're going to the loo.... I won't be engaging with anybody who hasn't yet realised what is happening and what is coming. I wish everybody on here the very best of health, and if you believe your health is better protected with or without the jab, then we should all respect that decision. The point being of course, its not just about protecting yourself.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jul 20, 2021 12:41:25 GMT
I know someone who died in early July 2021, at a hospice suffering with metastatic bladder cancer.
The NHS somehow considered this 'non critical' and due to Covid strains on the NHS he was not offered chemo. This was all said to his wife by the NHS hospital a month before he died.
Maybe if people took medical advice re Covid, he might be still with us now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2021 12:44:45 GMT
I know someone who died in early July 2021, at a hospice suffering with metastatic bladder cancer. The NHS somehow considered this 'non critical' and due to Covid strains on the NHS he was not offered chemo. This was all said to his wife by the NHS hospital a month before he died. Maybe if people took medical advice re Covid, he might be still with us now. Leave it out. We lose 80k people a year from smoking related illness too.
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