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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 9:56:09 GMT
The Times said of his appointment FOOTBALL | ROD LIDDLE Bristol Rovers will be getting the same old Joey Barton Rod Liddle Sunday February 28 2021, 12.01am, The Sunday Times Cometh the hour, cometh the maniac. Bristol Rovers, deep in trouble in the third tier, were desperate for salvation — and believe they have found it in the form of Joseph Anthony Barton. Yes, he’s back in a managerial capacity, one month after being dismissed by Fleetwood Town. The Fleetwood gig did not end too well. Joey sacked Fleetwood’s top scorer, Ched Evans, supposedly because of a comedy skit the striker performed at a Friday night get-together. But also, as Barton put it, for various “infractions”. The club’s owner, Andy Pilley, investigated the matter and decided that Barton must go as well. Perhaps it was also at the back of Pilley’s mind that Barton will be up in court in June, accused of headbutting and punching the former Barnsley manager, Daniel Stendel, in the tunnel after a game. If found guilty it is not beyond imagination, given Joey’s lengthy rap sheet, that a custodial sentence might apply. None of this put off the Bristol Rovers owner, Wael al Qadi, who appointed Barton to take charge last week. His debut as manager was a 2-1 home defeat in a relegation six-pointer with Wigan Athletic. Perhaps it was too early for Mr Barton to have left an indelible mark on the team. The appointment divided the long-suffering Gasheads. Many complained that Barton was the wrong fit for a “family club”. Who did they want then? Holly Willoughby? But then Barton has always rather divided opinion. I have some time for the chap, despite the fact that he once complained, bitterly, to this newspaper that I had referred to him as a “psychopath”. I meant it in a good way. He was playing for Newcastle United at the time and insisted that his wild days were behind him: he now wished to be a role model and his behaviour was exemplary. A little later this role model was sent off for a terrible tackle on Xabi Alonso, causing his manager Alan Shearer to scream at him in the dressing room that it was a “coward’s tackle”. A somewhat heated row developed, with Barton flinging a salvo of vituperation at his boss. When assistant manager Iain Dowie intervened, Barton remarked: “You keep out of it, boxing-glove head.” Magnificent, in its way, no? My own view is that Barton was a greatly under-rated player and also a decent writer. His book about the game, No Nonsense, is pungent, funny and very often perceptive. But I do not go along with those who excuse Barton because he is articulate, sometimes even given to quoting Friedrich Nietzsche — as if he were one of those noble savages Jean Genet used to write about. A punch in the face is still a punch in the face, regardless of whether or not the perpetrator has a copy of Albert Camus’s The Plague in his pocket. Barton’s rap sheet is very, very lengthy and it is punctuated, every so often, by him saying that he’s going straight. But he never does, or never has yet. Nor does he quite disown his own violence, bragging (in his book) after punching one member of his own team (three times, hard), that he was “from the streets”. Barton, the new Bristol Rovers manager, has always divided opinion Barton, the new Bristol Rovers manager, has always divided opinion REX One or maybe two infractions we might forgive and even forget, but that is not the case with Barton. Stubbing out a cigar in a young player’s eye, lamping a 15-year-old who was lippy, punching Morten Gamst Pedersen, even beating up his own dad. It’s a long litany. I’m sure Joey would agree with Jean-Paul Sartre’s insistence that our existence precedes our essence, that we can make of ourselves what we will, that our personalities are not set in stone when we are born. But he reverts to type time and time again. Also, I’m not convinced by those spectacles he wears when he’s addressing the media, or the Cambridge Union. Those are the only times he wears them, to appear studious and un-Joey-Barton-like. Bet it’s plain glass in those frames. Still, I wish him well in Bristol. He has a shrewd and unforgiving footballing brain and thoroughly dislikes some of the appurtenances of modern football — especially cossetted, useless players. He is also undoubtedly a talismanic presence, which is pretty much all a manager needs to be. We overstate the importance of the manager when in truth he is the most expendable employee of the club. You want your club to do better? Get a new owner, or a new centre forward. Managers are only rarely the cause of a team’s success or failure — just ask Jürgen Klopp at mid-table Liverpool. SPONSORED Barton met with his team shortly before that defeat by Wigan. He remarked that he was pleasantly surprised by their eyeballs. I am not entirely sure what that means. If he’s going to punch anyone it will probably be the defenders, who have been hopeless all season. Unless he really has changed. Have you, Joey? By all means make your own mind up about JB. But it’s best not to use what someone who punched his pregnant girlfriend. A definite case of double standards, hypocrisy or kettle, kettle, pot, black. UTG! This journalist also said that he didn't become a teacher because he knew that "I could not remotely conceive of not trying to s**g the kids." He's a bigger piece of scum than JB.
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Post by bluegas on Jul 25, 2021 9:59:05 GMT
No, no, Wareham! Just typical journalism. I lost it with them years ago - I haven't had (fortunately) much personal contact with them, but what I have had has not been positive.
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Post by justin blue on Jul 25, 2021 10:01:22 GMT
It’s not uncommon t a wife in a domestic abuse situation not want to press charges. In fact, it is probably more common than the scenario where a wife does. None of us know the facts but even if the injury isn’t serious and he’s been forgiven how do we look as a club if we brush it under the carpet too? I’m genuinely gutted. I have JB the benefit of the doubt and was beginning to look forward to the season. How can JB focus on the club now and what striker will sign for us now? Looks like we’ll be going with Ayunga and Hanlan again and Daley replaced by Saunders. The atmosphere isn’t exactly going to be positive either. So, if convicted, we need to act quickly to get in a manager again and all the back room staff etc are Joeys mates. So do they all go or stay and work with a new manager? I’d that’s the case it would need to be a wise head who can also mange the back room staff. It’s just a shambles every way you look at it. All we can hope is that if he does go, whoever comes in can get things sorted quickly or we’ll be scrapping with Swindon to stay up! If Barton pleads not guilty then the trial isn't likely to take place until after the Stendel re-trial so it'll make little difference to the players he's signed, as they've already taken the risk he might leave. But what sort after striker will now want to join us if Barton remains in charge. Barton has been charged with assaulting his wife he surely cannot stay here. Suspension, garden leave or whatever. I think he has to be removed from the club pending the outcome.
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Post by james246 on Jul 25, 2021 10:02:10 GMT
All I will say it's a total mess, I would hope wael knows about it, wont speculate as we don't know what happened, domestic abuse cannot be tolerated though. We are in a state only swindle are in a worst position, we ve gone all in with joey and let him rule the roost, in hindsight looking a bad poker shout. This incident looks serious, and not good for the club since quite a few of the new players probably only came to us because Joey was here. There is now a very real possibility the manager will leave in the near future, if so I would replace him with one of the current staff, rather than appoint someone new who may not work well with the people we have in place.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jul 25, 2021 10:02:29 GMT
It’s a against his wife who’s since been uploading photos of him saying how amazing he is will be thrown out court “she did not phone police “ police obviously saw it was joey Barton and went ahead and charged him because of his previous HE CANT EVEN FART AND THEY TRY TO LOCK HIM UP GIVE THE BLOKE A BREAK INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY WORRY ABOUT IT THEN The CPS would be foolhardy if they brought a case that has no substance and judges take a very dim view.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 25, 2021 10:05:15 GMT
And Georgia Barton did not want to press charges , True, but that’s hollow when it comes to domestic violence as other posters have pointed out. I was just stating a fact ,gas , I wasn’t making a morale judgement , I know how it works , I have unfortunately been in that position .
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Post by bluegas on Jul 25, 2021 10:05:35 GMT
All I will say it's a total mess, I would hope wael knows about it, wont speculate as we don't know what happened, domestic abuse cannot be tolerated though. We are in a state only swindle are in a worst position, we ve gone all in with joey and let him rule the roost, in hindsight looking a bad poker shout. This incident looks serious, and not good for the club since quite a few of the new players probably only came to us because Joey was here. There is now a very real possibility the manager will leave in the near future, if so I would replace him with one of the current staff, rather than appoint someone new who may not work well with the people we have in place. I agree with you, but bear in mind that's if any of them want the job.
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 25, 2021 10:10:10 GMT
I agree,it will depend on the detail in his Contract . You'd expect the standard disrepute clause wouldnt you. At least, you would if it were a company being run with any sort of integrity that wouldn't gamble an entire playing squad on someone with two pending court appearances. Hire clowns, get a circus. Yep that would be bog standard in Contracts for Senior Employees,I have little confidence based on previous history that we have nailed it down sufficiently to prevent any half decent employment lawyer having a field day.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Jul 25, 2021 10:15:29 GMT
I’ve just opened Facebook and the first item on my news feed was an article from from Sky Sports with the headline ‘Bristol Rovers manager Joey Barton has been charged with assault by beating after a woman suffered a head injury.’ There’s over 1k comments on it.
Regardless of the outcome, our football club’s reputation is being dragged through the mud by Joey being in charge.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jul 25, 2021 10:16:48 GMT
Careful Topper. This is all alleged at the moment. The only people who really know what happened are Joey and his wife. Careful of what, I'm not the person charging him with assault by beating? Whether he's guilty of doing it is for the jury to decide, should he plead not guilty. I think a lot of people are getting carried away by the legal terminology here, so just to put a bit of perspective on it, I’m sure a lot of us as kids will have done things like walk up behind a mate and flick their earlobe, or give someone a bit of a shove in the back for “a bit of a laugh”? Well that’s actually enough to qualify as “Assault by beating”. I think everyone needs to calm the f**k down and wait to see what happens at court before jumping to conclusions. A lot of people seem to have already written him off as guilty before the case has even been heard or a shred of evidence produced for either side . . .
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Post by gillygas07 on Jul 25, 2021 10:18:41 GMT
You can’t blame Barton he’s just carrying on as usual , his personality and what u get with him is no secret. How Martin Starnes keeps his job is beyond me.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 25, 2021 10:18:54 GMT
I’m sure that Joey has discussed the situation with the club and they have acted (or not) as appropriate based on his explanation of the situation to them.
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Post by oliverhelmet on Jul 25, 2021 10:22:15 GMT
Doesn’t look good, but I would like to see proper details from a creditable source before my mind is made up.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Jul 25, 2021 10:23:23 GMT
Doesn’t look good, but I would like to see proper details from a creditable source before my mind is made up. Is the Metropolitan Police not a credible enough source for you?
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jul 25, 2021 10:24:15 GMT
Doesn’t look good, but I would like to see proper details from a creditable source before my mind is made up. Is the Metropolitan Police not a credible enough source for you? Actually no
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Post by bluegas on Jul 25, 2021 10:24:48 GMT
You can’t blame Barton he’s just carrying on as usual , his personality and what u get with him is no secret. How Martin Starnes keeps his job is beyond me. You may have a greater insight than me, but my impression is that Wael calls the shots. MS is just a functionary on site as Wael can't be resident in the UK. I would imagine Wael appointed JB and is the one who will sack him.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 25, 2021 10:27:11 GMT
Doesn’t look good, but I would like to see proper details from a creditable source before my mind is made up. Is the Metropolitan Police not a credible enough source for you? The Met - creditable .mmmmm 🤔
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Post by bluegas on Jul 25, 2021 10:28:20 GMT
Doesn’t look good, but I would like to see proper details from a creditable source before my mind is made up. Is the Metropolitan Police not a credible enough source for you? You're joking? The same entity that shoots people out of hand (Richard Cottier) and is under pressure for repeated b***sups?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jul 25, 2021 10:29:10 GMT
On many “domestics” as the police call them, the victims do call the police only to later withdraw their complaint but the biggest problem is many do this out of fear and threat. We will soon find out, no German to translate. I would bet he stays, regardless of outcome as Wael has basically handed everything over to him. Joey Barton’s Bristol Rovers, say it and see if you would like hearing it said. Never a dull moment being Gas He won't stay no matter the outcome.... There'll be a bloody empty Mem if he does.... I think Wael has put too much into this Paul. It will need some very good advice and to listen. I can’t believe we would want to keep him but I didn’t believe we would employ him, let alone give him all he wanted. I just don’t know anymore. I wouldn’t be shocked if he stayed, even if found guilty as I think Wael is not thinking straight. Just my opinion, hard to say
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 25, 2021 10:29:17 GMT
Doesn’t look good, but I would like to see proper details from a creditable source before my mind is made up. Is the Metropolitan Police not a credible enough source for you? Charge <> guilty
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