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Post by oldie on Jul 25, 2021 11:11:22 GMT
Not sure why conference keeps getting mentioned? We have. Good squad for L2 and a good budget. Managers change all the time, if we were to replace him it doesn’t mean we’d be relegated ffs. Far too much doom and gloom IMO. To be fair though Gassy there is zero evidence we have a good squad. Nicholson aside.
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Post by kampucheagas on Jul 25, 2021 11:13:22 GMT
Not sure why conference keeps getting mentioned? We have. Good squad for L2 and a good budget. Managers change all the time, if we were to replace him it doesn’t mean we’d be relegated ffs. Far too much doom and gloom IMO. Hardly an inspiring working environment We all saw what a mess last season was with disruptions all over the shop, with what we all said was a promising squad on paper None of us know what this new squad will be like, and if we start poorly and the fans are on their backs….. a slide is often hard to stop.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 25, 2021 11:14:25 GMT
Innocent until proven guilty, I really hope he is Innocent He will be i sure Then he can blast us up the leagues and a lot of Humble Pie will be eaten by the non believers
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Post by peterparker on Jul 25, 2021 11:14:57 GMT
So many assumptions and many talking like he's already been found guilty. I think we've got to wait and see what the courts decide. They'll have far more information than us. If guilty, I think every Rovers fan would agree he has to go. If innocent, he should continue in his role because you shouldn't lose your job for something you didn't do. Based on his history you'd have to say it doesn't look good and like most my gut feeling is he probably did it. However, none of us know for sure so I'm going to wait, reserve judgement and trust the justice system to decide as they have all the facts. One things for sure, it's not what the club needs less than 2 weeks before or first game. If he is innocent, no he shouldn't really lose his job For me though, it is just harder to support the club and the Barton reset. Trouble follows him around, and it is only a matter of time until the next thing crops up, which is why I never wanted him here in the first place
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Post by richhertford on Jul 25, 2021 11:16:21 GMT
Genuine question: how has this come to the courts so quickly? I thought there was a huge backlog in cases, and well everything really, but this seems to have happened within 7 weeks? I’d naturally assume it’s because of the damage/pain/injury caused, but the ambulance wasn’t called? Don’t know anything about these things, but seems a quick turnaround? Isn’t it just a magistrates appearance - going through the motions? Doesn’t it go to a higher court if he pleads not guilty? Wife is criminal lawyer. “Assault by beating” is as minimal as touching. It’s clearly a domestic incident that we need much more detail on before we pass judgement as we really don’t know what happened here. Assault by beating can only be taken in magistrates court. Let’s wait until tomorrow when we might know more.
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Post by Langford Gas on Jul 25, 2021 11:16:47 GMT
If his new wife isn’t going to speak out against him then I doubt very much he’ll be found guilty. So that makes things really awkward for the club and fans , support him or not , guilty or not ? This really is a disaster for the club what ever happens . I agree; For his wife, his kids, him , the football club ,the fans, there are absolutely no winners
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 25, 2021 11:16:56 GMT
So many assumptions and many talking like he's already been found guilty. I think we've got to wait and see what the courts decide. They'll have far more information than us. If guilty, I think every Rovers fan would agree he has to go. If innocent, he should continue in his role because you shouldn't lose your job for something you didn't do. Based on his history you'd have to say it doesn't look good and like most my gut feeling is he probably did it. However, none of us know for sure so I'm going to wait, reserve judgement and trust the justice system to decide as they have all the facts. One things for sure, it's not what the club needs less than 2 weeks before or first game. If he is innocent, no he shouldn't really lose his job For me though, it is just harder to support the club and the Barton reset. Trouble follows him around, and it is only a matter of time until the next thing crops up, which is why I never wanted him here in the first place If he is innocent of all charges, will you support him at the mem ? Not having a go just interested in peoples thoughts
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 25, 2021 11:17:56 GMT
Support him , in what way oldie ?💙 Sorry if I am completely wrong, but I always thought you supported his appointment? Oh right , yes I did , because not trying to sound like The Dalia Lama 😊 I believe in giving people chances . Naive as that probably sounds . I still am not going to ‘attack ‘ him until I know the facts . I have absolutely no faith in the press , that is for sure . 💙
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Jul 25, 2021 11:18:03 GMT
What a stain on a family friendy club, I'm just disgusted by this. I supported him, hot headed yes, passionate about the game yes, but what I really wanted was a manager who demanded the very best from his players, but it seems he can't keep a lid on his temper. The Lead Professional Development Phase Coach was sacked recently for using foul language towards the under 18's though this was probably used as an excuse just to clear out some backroom staff and now this?? Its one rule for one, one rule for everyone else. Absolutely disgusted with him and the club.
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Post by albowlly on Jul 25, 2021 11:18:59 GMT
A sunderland friend of mine said to look at their forum, honestly a Bristol City fan has started a thread about Joey Barton on there. Because they are a nasty horrible scummy club they are now posting on other forums about us. Joey Barton is particularly unpopular with Sunderland supporters because of his Newcastle connection and comments he's made about SAFC in his post Newcastle career. I've overlooked that because I believe there is a good manager in Barton. But if he is found guilty of this latest accusation he'll surely never get another chance to prove his worth. Quite a few Bristol City fans post on RTG Pure Football because of Johnson's appointment. I posted a few times on Bristol City's fans forum on the subject of Lee Johnson of whom I have a very low opinion.
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Post by poorblue on Jul 25, 2021 11:20:41 GMT
Genuine question: how has this come to the courts so quickly? I thought there was a huge backlog in cases, and well everything really, but this seems to have happened within 7 weeks? I’d naturally assume it’s because of the damage/pain/injury caused, but the ambulance wasn’t called? Don’t know anything about these things, but seems a quick turnaround? Isn’t it just a magistrates appearance - going through the motions? Doesn’t it go to a higher court if he pleads not guilty? Innocent until proven guilty! Magistrates Court usually do quick turn arounds and consists of 3 Magistrates listening to evidence. The woman (wife?) appears to be offing no evidence so only police evidence will be heard. Innocent he goes free with unblemished? character. Guilty most likely a fine of £200 plus court costs and 100 hours community work. Probably for the Rovers Community Trust!. From what is being reported there is no chance of it going to the High Court with a Jury
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Post by oldie on Jul 25, 2021 11:22:35 GMT
So many assumptions and many talking like he's already been found guilty. I think we've got to wait and see what the courts decide. They'll have far more information than us. If guilty, I think every Rovers fans would agree he has to go. If innocent, he should continue in his role because you shouldn't lose your job for something you didn't do. Based on his history you'd have to say it doesn't look good and like most my gut feeling is he probably did it. However, none of us know for sure so I'm going to wait, reserve judgement and trust the justice system to decide as they have all the facts. One things for sure, it's not what the club needs less than 2 weeks before or first game. The killer statement (allegedly) is the one attributed to his wife. She didnt want to press charges. Thats a whole different thing from saying nothing happened. Charges were then brought regardless. Now in a court of law it maybe there is not enough to find him guilty. But, if the statement attributed to his wife is true then it seems entirely possible that he did this. Given these circumstances what sporting club, one which actively promotes itself as a "family club" would wish to employee a person of that ilk, a person who brings real reputational damage to the club as a result.
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Post by yaz on Jul 25, 2021 11:23:39 GMT
If he is innocent, no he shouldn't really lose his job For me though, it is just harder to support the club and the Barton reset. Trouble follows him around, and it is only a matter of time until the next thing crops up, which is why I never wanted him here in the first place If he is innocent of all charges, will you support him at the mem ? Not having a go just interested in peoples thoughts No! Never wanted him! When you interview people for jobs, one looks at all aspects and how it can impact on the bigger picture? Trouble follows him but never liked his style of football and would not want us to play that way? I will not disrespect any of our managers and if he stays and does well, good luck as long as it is done in a proper manner!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 11:25:09 GMT
I read the news this morning and was stunned ....
Wael will no doubt have been briefed on this a few weeks ago so things will already be in motion behind the scenes whether to back or release JB. At a time he needs strong people around him, he has decliend support and he has made his own bed here and should be judged by these things now.
JB also has one of the best Legal teams in the UK and if Mrs JB closes ranks for her husband now there really will be little the CPS can do. She hasn't pressed charges and it will be interesting to see how stories unfold now.
The CPS do have history here of pressing charges even when a party does not wish to ... remember Caroline Flack?
However the damage of our club name being dragged through the mud and subsequent fallout is horrendous. I cannot forgive that as I cannot abide bullies ( physical or keyboard).
I would type that Rovers Fans deserve better but having read some of the vile vitriol on here some even directed at fellow posters - (probably alcohol fuelled emotion but nevertheless a seriously poor read) I really dont think we do.
A very sad day for a number of reasons.... After 50 years I have never been so close to closing this book as i am today.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 25, 2021 11:25:30 GMT
If he is innocent, no he shouldn't really lose his job For me though, it is just harder to support the club and the Barton reset. Trouble follows him around, and it is only a matter of time until the next thing crops up, which is why I never wanted him here in the first place If he is innocent of all charges, will you support him at the mem ? Not having a go just interested in peoples thoughts I will be supporting the club. I have my season ticket and will be cheering the club on, but will never have anytime for Joseph
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Post by 69rovers on Jul 25, 2021 11:25:42 GMT
I guess Barton will stay and its more about the police pressing charges than the wife. The problem will be how the fans recact to him from us to other teams. The atmosphere could get very toxic from behind the dug outs and this will run and run unless he goes.
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Post by brfc on Jul 25, 2021 11:29:00 GMT
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Post by bluegas on Jul 25, 2021 11:31:08 GMT
Isn’t it just a magistrates appearance - going through the motions? Doesn’t it go to a higher court if he pleads not guilty? Innocent until proven guilty! Magistrates Court usually do quick turn arounds and consists of 3 Magistrates listening to evidence. The woman (wife?) appears to be offing no evidence so only police evidence will be heard. Innocent he goes free with unblemished? character. Guilty most likely a fine of £200 plus court costs and 100 hours community work. Probably for the Rovers Community Trust!. From what is being reported there is no chance of it going to the High Court with a Jury So he can't appeal the Magistrates court decision?
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 25, 2021 11:31:39 GMT
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Post by Hugh Jarsole on Jul 25, 2021 11:32:12 GMT
He better take a trip to that church down the road if he wants to salvage anything from this
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