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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 25, 2021 10:49:51 GMT
I think a lot of people are getting carried away by the legal terminology here, so just to put a bit of perspective on it, I’m sure a lot of us as kids will have done things like walk up behind a mate and flick their earlobe, or give someone a bit of a shove in the back for “a bit of a laugh”? Well that’s actually enough to qualify as “Assault by beating”. I think everyone needs to calm the f**k down and wait to see what happens at court before jumping to conclusions. A lot of people seem to have already written him off as guilty before the case has even been heard or a shred of evidence produced for either side . . . Absolutely innocent before proven guilty in the eyes of the law. However, this will still create a huge reputation all damage problem for the club. That will stick whatever and he either pleads guilty and it ends quickly but he will be sacked or or he pleads not guilty and the case drags on for months. I also don’t think the CPS would press charges if he flicked her ear! Appreciate you were just making a point here though. Another point, if it is true, is that in addition to letting down his family, the club and the fans, he’s also let down all the back room staff he’s brought in. They have up’d sticks and moves south and now their livelihoods are at risk too. I’m not sure Clint Hill could or would step up. All things come to an end I suppose, not just good things so we will get through this whatever the outcome!😬 What backroom staffed have moved rather than simply rented? Although they must be as mad as Wael to think he'd stay out of trouble.
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Post by bluegas on Jul 25, 2021 10:50:46 GMT
The mystery deepens! Only the Sun says it's his wife. The police refer to "a woman" and the BBC carefully stick to this. And the incident took place in Kew, not Widnes. All needs a bit of clarification, but we should get that tomorrow morning - I assume. I'm not sure that the BBC uses terminology such as "wife" these days! I think the Bartons have a couple of family homes. Yeah, but neither did the police, although I guess it's a technicality at the stage of charging him. Also, yes, I know he /they had a SW London address but I thought it wasn't Kew. Whatever - we'll soon know.
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Post by Gassy on Jul 25, 2021 10:52:48 GMT
Genuine question: how has this come to the courts so quickly?
I thought there was a huge backlog in cases, and well everything really, but this seems to have happened within 7 weeks?
I’d naturally assume it’s because of the damage/pain/injury caused, but the ambulance wasn’t called?
Don’t know anything about these things, but seems a quick turnaround?
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Post by meldrew on Jul 25, 2021 10:55:28 GMT
I will reserve comment until after the court case as the club will have to. Innocent until proven guilty is the law of the land. But after all the abuse I got on this forum after handing back my season ticket and stating the reason why, I am waiting,waiting,waiting.
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Post by kruger on Jul 25, 2021 10:57:16 GMT
Innocent until proven guilty, I really hope he is Innocent
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Post by scottleroc on Jul 25, 2021 10:58:41 GMT
Absolutely innocent before proven guilty in the eyes of the law. However, this will still create a huge reputation all damage problem for the club. That will stick whatever and he either pleads guilty and it ends quickly but he will be sacked or or he pleads not guilty and the case drags on for months. I also don’t think the CPS would press charges if he flicked her ear! Appreciate you were just making a point here though. Another point, if it is true, is that in addition to letting down his family, the club and the fans, he’s also let down all the back room staff he’s brought in. They have up’d sticks and moves south and now their livelihoods are at risk too. I’m not sure Clint Hill could or would step up. All things come to an end I suppose, not just good things so we will get through this whatever the outcome!😬 What backroom staffed have moved rather than simply rented? Although they must be as mad as Wael to think he'd stay out of trouble. Yep no issue from a moving perspective but it’s still their livelihood. They have families and he’s potentially left them unemployed. Anyhow, that’s not the main issue here in any case I suppose. As you say they know why he’s like, although this might be beyond what even they thought could happen!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 11:01:00 GMT
I think like a lot of others my blood was absolutely boiling last night, but today I just feel numb.
I, like a number of others have never felt more disconnected to the club, and then this news arises.
I genuinely thank the Lord we have Adam Tutton and The Community Trust, they're just about the only thing worthy of support connected to the club -and God only knows what they and the Gas Girls make of this situation.
Can't be bothered with people jumping down my throat about feeling disconnected, but is there anything to be cheerful about regarding Rovers? Could do with some positive news.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 25, 2021 11:01:09 GMT
Genuine question: how has this come to the courts so quickly? I thought there was a huge backlog in cases, and well everything really, but this seems to have happened within 7 weeks? I’d naturally assume it’s because of the damage/pain/injury caused, but the ambulance wasn’t called? Don’t know anything about these things, but seems a quick turnaround? Isn’t it just a magistrates appearance - going through the motions? Doesn’t it go to a higher court if he pleads not guilty?
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Post by oldie on Jul 25, 2021 11:04:08 GMT
So sorry hear that - an awful thing for you to have to experienced. x Thanks Tilly , long time ago , and I did not involve the police , neighbour did . All in the past , we move on and hopefully learn. Utg 💙 Surprised then Purdown that you support Barton.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 25, 2021 11:04:10 GMT
Innocent until proven guilty, I really hope he is Innocent I hope he didn't do anything. Being found guilty or innocent in these cases is meaningless and that's part of the problem.
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Post by 69rovers on Jul 25, 2021 11:04:51 GMT
If the incident happened early June the questions that need to be answered are :-
1. When did the club become aware of the charges 2. Were the new players brought in told of the up and coming court case before they signed 3. If the answer is yes, what effect will this have on their outlook if Barton is sacked plus dose it show what sort of mindset thet have if happy to work under an alleged wife beater 4. Similarities to why players brought in by Garner came because of him -Barton was the draw for the new crop. 5. Two weeks from the first game of the season so when will a decision be made by the club 6. If Barton stays what effect will this have on attendences 7. Again if he stays how toxic will the atmosphere be at the mem if we have a bad start
I was all for Garner to stay , did not want Tisdale and thought JB was the answer.
A year on and with Garner now at Swindon it woud not surprise me if it works out for him as we slide back into the Conference.
Sad Days ahead.
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Post by Gassy on Jul 25, 2021 11:05:15 GMT
Genuine question: how has this come to the courts so quickly? I thought there was a huge backlog in cases, and well everything really, but this seems to have happened within 7 weeks? I’d naturally assume it’s because of the damage/pain/injury caused, but the ambulance wasn’t called? Don’t know anything about these things, but seems a quick turnaround? Isn’t it just a magistrates appearance - going through the motions? Doesn’t it go to a higher court if he pleads not guilty? I have absolutely no idea. So this is a quick process whereby the judge assesses whether this is a real case or not, if so then Joey pleads guilty/not guilty - based on that it will go higher up which usually takes longer? I guess that’ll be interesting to see what the club does then whilst this goes on...
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 25, 2021 11:06:19 GMT
Thanks Tilly , long time ago , and I did not involve the police , neighbour did . All in the past , we move on and hopefully learn. Utg 💙 Surprised then Purdown that you support Barton. Support him , in what way oldie ?💙
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2021 11:07:12 GMT
Genuine question: how has this come to the courts so quickly? I thought there was a huge backlog in cases, and well everything really, but this seems to have happened within 7 weeks? I’d naturally assume it’s because of the damage/pain/injury caused, but the ambulance wasn’t called? Don’t know anything about these things, but seems a quick turnaround? Isn’t it just a magistrates appearance - going through the motions? Doesn’t it go to a higher court if he pleads not guilty? That's what I took from dinsdale's explanation.
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Post by popuppirate on Jul 25, 2021 11:07:49 GMT
The kindest thing I can think of as a scenario is a malicious neighbour making a call to which the Met responded to based on reputation, hence the house move. But that's likely stretching it and clutching at straws for the sake of the club (and obviously any victim).
The worst case scenario obviously doesn't need stating, but I'd have expected a resignation or sacking well before this point if so.
It's going to be limited as to what the club can say, but there has to be some communication from them tomorrow. I'll be giving Wael the benefit of the doubt (again) until then and keeping my powder dry.
Dear oh dear
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Post by Gassy on Jul 25, 2021 11:07:52 GMT
Not sure why conference keeps getting mentioned? We have. Good squad for L2 and a good budget. Managers change all the time, if we were to replace him it doesn’t mean we’d be relegated ffs.
Far too much doom and gloom IMO.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 25, 2021 11:08:16 GMT
Isn’t it just a magistrates appearance - going through the motions? Doesn’t it go to a higher court if he pleads not guilty? I have absolutely no idea. So this is a quick process whereby the judge assesses whether this is a real case or not, if so then Joey pleads guilty/not guilty - based on that it will go higher up which usually takes longer? I guess that’ll be interesting to see what the club does then whilst this goes on... I seem to remember with the Sara Everard case that the police officer responsible was presented before the magistrates, read his charges, then he just admitted it there and then so there was no need for a further trial and thus the media were able to reveal all the details that they weren’t allowed to publish before the case.
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Post by oldie on Jul 25, 2021 11:08:54 GMT
Surprised then Purdown that you support Barton. Support him , in what way oldie ?💙 Sorry if I am completely wrong, but I always thought you supported his appointment?
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Post by GasAttacK on Jul 25, 2021 11:10:27 GMT
So many assumptions and many talking like he's already been found guilty.
I think we've got to wait and see what the courts decide. They'll have far more information than us.
If guilty, I think every Rovers fan would agree he has to go.
If innocent, he should continue in his role because you shouldn't lose your job for something you didn't do.
Based on his history you'd have to say it doesn't look good and like most my gut feeling is he probably did it.
However, none of us know for sure so I'm going to wait, reserve judgement and trust the justice system to decide as they have all the facts.
One things for sure, it's not what the club needs less than 2 weeks before our first game.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 25, 2021 11:10:33 GMT
Genuine question: how has this come to the courts so quickly? I thought there was a huge backlog in cases, and well everything really, but this seems to have happened within 7 weeks? I’d naturally assume it’s because of the damage/pain/injury caused, but the ambulance wasn’t called? Don’t know anything about these things, but seems a quick turnaround? Very swift . Mmmm ?
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