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Post by pirate on Aug 20, 2021 9:26:13 GMT
Akinde averages just over 5 goals a season from open play in those 121 games during the past 3 seasons. All at L1 level? Nichols showed how much easier it is to score at L2, plus who won the pens for the other goals? If we carry on playing like we did in the first half on Tuesday I'd be amazed if Akinde didn't score 15/20 goals this season, Clarke would probably be lucky to get 5 goals, didn't he even miss a sitter against us last season, whereas Akinde scored twice. No, not all at League One level. The last of those three seasons where he averaged just over 5 goals from open play was in League Two. Then the previous season to that he only scored 5 goals from open play in League Two as well. So that's FOUR seasons in a row where he has managed a whopping 5 goals from open play. At least Clarke's 5 goals (and 6 assists) during 18/19 was when he played 39 times in the Championship to help Sheffield United win promotion to the Premier League.
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Post by Keynsham Rover on Aug 20, 2021 9:34:02 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Aug 20, 2021 9:50:04 GMT
I don’t really get it. Akinde being 32 is past his best, scored 28 goals in the last 3 seasons and played 121 games in that time. Clarke who’s 36 and apparently can still do a job for us, has scored just 8 goals in the past 3 seasons and played a total of 51 games in 3 seasons. Am I missing something here, or has logic gone out the window? Akinde averages just over 5 goals a season from open play in those 121 games during the past 3 seasons. A fair point, but how many did Clarke average in those 3 years from open play? Hypothetically: Would you rather a striker who can score 20 goals from all areas, or one who scored 5 but all from open play? The more goals you score, the more you get marked and targeted, creating space for others too.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 9:51:32 GMT
Perhaps they've not offered him a contract as he's had a better offer from us?
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Post by gasmania on Aug 20, 2021 9:52:38 GMT
I suppose any new bigger style striker doesn't necessarily have to be the main goal scorer. Just needs to provide a central point for our other forwards to play off of, and occupy at least one defender creating a bit more space?
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Post by pirate on Aug 20, 2021 10:00:57 GMT
Akinde averages just over 5 goals a season from open play in those 121 games during the past 3 seasons. A fair point, but how many did Clarke average in those 3 years from open play? Hypothetically: Would you rather a striker who can score 20 goals from all areas, or one who scored 5 but all from open play? The more goals you score, the more you get marked and targeted, creating space for others too. All the goals Clarke scored in the Championship promotion season during 18/19 were from open play. The following season was spent in the Premier League where he hardly featured, but I'm sure you understand that was to be expected. Akinde hasn't scored many "from all areas" over the past 4 seasons, he's only managed just over 5 from open play and the rest penalties. I'm sure even you would admit an average of just over 5 goals from open play over four seasons isn't good enough. I'd be disappointed with that average if I was a defender. For the record, In an ideal world for me neither Clarke or Akinde would be signed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 10:01:45 GMT
I actually think LC + GW could be good for us .... combined age of 73 but if fit and looking to sweat for the Quarters wouldnt be a bad shout for a season.
As someone said earlier we will make a lot of chances and if LC is on the spot to convert then brilliant. GW will be a terrific calming influence as well as a no nonsense defensive midfielder with a lot of experience.
Signing LC for a season also buys the Boss more time to find that elusive striker.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 20, 2021 10:43:51 GMT
Blimey how many targets down the list are we now since Sam Cosgrove opted for a relegation scrap?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 10:55:26 GMT
Blimey how many targets down the list are we now since Sam Cosgrove opted for a relegation scrap? This, one wonders why it’s proving so difficult for us to find someone. I can’t imagine Leon Clarke or even Akinde was in the top 10 let alone 5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 10:57:17 GMT
I suppose any new bigger style striker doesn't necessarily have to be the main goal scorer. Just needs to provide a central point for our other forwards to play off of, and occupy at least one defender creating a bit more space? I know JB said Collins is more of a wide attacker but I thought he was excellent down the middle on Tuesday. He’s taller than I expected and was winning his share of headers and holding the ball. Although not a traditional target man I would be happy for him to keep that position with Thomas and Nicholson playing wide. His intelligent movement and willingness to chase lost causes more than kept the opposition defence busy.
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Post by wertongas on Aug 20, 2021 11:22:36 GMT
i think we have enough goals in the team and another forward would really only be for cover. Pitman could get 15-20 goals then you have Saunders and Collins who could get around a dozen each, Thomas , Nicholson and Anderson can all get over 6 goals a season at this level , that is 60 goals plus, then add in the contribution from other players you are looking over 70 goals. The biggest issue is avoiding injuries, as with other clubs, one way to achieve this is not to include our top scorers in cup games, league should take priority. If we do bring another striker in , he needs to be younger and of a better quality than Akinde. He would be an Akinder Surprise! if he got into double figures with goals this season
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 20, 2021 11:27:52 GMT
Blimey how many targets down the list are we now since Sam Cosgrove opted for a relegation scrap? This, one wonders why it’s proving so difficult for us to find someone. I can’t imagine Leon Clarke or even Akinde was in the top 10 let alone 5 I am a little confused by the lack of ability to sign a striker. When JB was appointed one of the arguments from those pro JB was that he would have a lot of contacts within the game and he would be a draw to attract players? Or am I making that up?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 11:28:15 GMT
i think we have enough goals in the team and another forward would really only be for cover. Pitman could get 15-20 goals then you have Saunders and Collins who could get around a dozen each, Thomas , Nicholson and Anderson can all get over 6 goals a season at this level , that is 60 goals plus, then add in the contribution from other players you are looking over 70 goals. The biggest issue is avoiding injuries, as with other clubs, one way to achieve this is not to include our top scorers in cup games, league should take priority. If we do bring another striker in , he needs to be younger and of a better quality than Akinde. He would be an Akinder Surprise! if he got into double figures with goals this season Given that JB was apparently attempting to sign Cosgrove and Akinde he clearly has a completely different view to your own. As far as signing a youngster with potential, what was the point of JB releasing Daly if he's now just going to sign a like for like replacement?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 11:32:27 GMT
This, one wonders why it’s proving so difficult for us to find someone. I can’t imagine Leon Clarke or even Akinde was in the top 10 let alone 5 I am a little confused by the lack of ability to sign a striker. When JB was appointed one of the arguments from those pro JB was that he would have a lot of contacts within the game and he would be a draw to attract players? Or am I making that up? Do we talk about the elephant in the room or?
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 20, 2021 11:33:44 GMT
I am a little confused by the lack of ability to sign a striker. When JB was appointed one of the arguments from those pro JB was that he would have a lot of contacts within the game and he would be a draw to attract players? Or am I making that up? Do we talk about the elephant in the room or? Camels, donkeys and now elephants?
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 20, 2021 11:37:54 GMT
Do we need Glen Whelan? Midfield is stacked as it is, would just be a waste of wages surely, unless he's seen as a Westbrooke replacement. Is midfield ‘stacked’? Numbers-wise maybe but not in terms of quality IMO. We only have three ‘senior’ options there - Grant, Finley & Coutts - and if one of those picks up an injury or suspension then you’re immediately looking at Hargreaves/Liddle as the next in line for those CM roles. I’d definitely like another quality addition in the middle if we can get one in.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2021 11:39:41 GMT
Do we need Glen Whelan? Midfield is stacked as it is, would just be a waste of wages surely, unless he's seen as a Westbrooke replacement. Is midfield ‘stacked’? Numbers-wise maybe but not in terms of quality IMO. We only have three ‘senior’ options there - Grant, Finley & Coutts - and if one of those picks up an injury or suspension then you’re immediately looking at Hargreaves/Liddle as the next in line for those CM roles. I’d definitely like another quality addition in the middle if we can get one in. Given we can only have X amount of people in the squad I’d have though that there were some other positions that are a priority 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 20, 2021 11:41:52 GMT
Is midfield ‘stacked’? Numbers-wise maybe but not in terms of quality IMO. We only have three ‘senior’ options there - Grant, Finley & Coutts - and if one of those picks up an injury or suspension then you’re immediately looking at Hargreaves/Liddle as the next in line for those CM roles. I’d definitely like another quality addition in the middle if we can get one in. Given we can only have X amount of people in the squad I’d have though that there were some other positions that are a priority 🤷🏻♂️ IMO we still need: 1 x CF 1 x CM 1 x LWB And then look to get Westbrooke, Barrett, Baldwin or Harries, Hanlan (?) and Hargreaves/Liddle out the door. I just don’t think three quality options to fill two spots in one of the most important parts of the team (CM) is enough.
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Post by wertongas on Aug 20, 2021 11:43:29 GMT
i think we have enough goals in the team and another forward would really only be for cover. Pitman could get 15-20 goals then you have Saunders and Collins who could get around a dozen each, Thomas , Nicholson and Anderson can all get over 6 goals a season at this level , that is 60 goals plus, then add in the contribution from other players you are looking over 70 goals. The biggest issue is avoiding injuries, as with other clubs, one way to achieve this is not to include our top scorers in cup games, league should take priority. If we do bring another striker in , he needs to be younger and of a better quality than Akinde. He would be an Akinder Surprise! if he got into double figures with goals this season Given that JB was apparently attempting to sign Cosgrove and Akinde he clearly has a completely different view to your own. As far as signing a youngster with potential, what was the point of JB releasing Daly if he's now just going to sign a like for like replacement? But Cosgrove is a younger player with potential , he is eight years younger than Akinde
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Post by Keynsham Rover on Aug 20, 2021 11:47:05 GMT
Do we need Glen Whelan? Midfield is stacked as it is, would just be a waste of wages surely, unless he's seen as a Westbrooke replacement. Is midfield ‘stacked’? Numbers-wise maybe but not in terms of quality IMO. We only have three ‘senior’ options there - Grant, Finley & Coutts - and if one of those picks up an injury or suspension then you’re immediately looking at Hargreaves/Liddle as the next in line for those CM roles. I’d definitely like another quality addition in the middle if we can get one in. Considering Westbrooke hasn't left yet and we're looking like playing a two man midfield I think we have enough cover, especially with Martinez coming back into the squad.
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