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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 20, 2021 12:23:47 GMT
Is midfield ‘stacked’? Numbers-wise maybe but not in terms of quality IMO. We only have three ‘senior’ options there - Grant, Finley & Coutts - and if one of those picks up an injury or suspension then you’re immediately looking at Hargreaves/Liddle as the next in line for those CM roles. I’d definitely like another quality addition in the middle if we can get one in. Considering Westbrooke hasn't left yet and we're looking like playing a two man midfield I think we have enough cover, especially with Martinez coming back into the squad. Forgot Pabs existed tbf - although think JB said he sees him as a CB rather than a CM. And I’ll be stunned if Westbrooke’s still here on 1st Sept after what Barton’s said about him moving on. There’ll be plenty of suitors for him IMO. Also don’t like him in a midfield two even if he was still here. Can just see a situation where one of Grant/Finley/Coutts picks up a two month injury and it would already feel to me like we’re scraping the barrel if another of those were to miss a few games.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 12:31:42 GMT
Given that JB was apparently attempting to sign Cosgrove and Akinde he clearly has a completely different view to your own. As far as signing a youngster with potential, what was the point of JB releasing Daly if he's now just going to sign a like for like replacement? But Cosgrove is a younger player with potential , he is eight years younger than Akinde I'd now class anybody 24 as experienced given that we seem to right off anybody over 28 as past his best!
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 12:35:01 GMT
Given we can only have X amount of people in the squad I’d have though that there were some other positions that are a priority 🤷🏻♂️ IMO we still need: 1 x CF 1 x CM 1 x LWB And then look to get Westbrooke, Barrett, Baldwin or Harries, Hanlan (?) and Hargreaves/Liddle out the door. I just don’t think three quality options to fill two spots in one of the most important parts of the team (CM) is enough. Aren't Clark and Anderson LWB's? RB/RWB seems the weakest area with only injury/illness prone Rodman and youngster Hoole as cover?
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Post by baggins on Aug 20, 2021 12:42:10 GMT
But Cosgrove is a younger player with potential , he is eight years younger than Akinde I'd now class anybody 24 as experienced given that we seem to right off anybody over 28 as past his best! How old is Rodman?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 12:49:16 GMT
This, one wonders why it’s proving so difficult for us to find someone. I can’t imagine Leon Clarke or even Akinde was in the top 10 let alone 5 I am a little confused by the lack of ability to sign a striker. When JB was appointed one of the arguments from those pro JB was that he would have a lot of contacts within the game and he would be a draw to attract players? Or am I making that up? Problem is the usual at Rovers, no quality strikers seem interested in leaving London or the NW, I assume if you can earn similar money nearer to home why move to a City you don't know, leaving your family and friends behind?
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Post by baggins on Aug 20, 2021 12:50:47 GMT
I am a little confused by the lack of ability to sign a striker. When JB was appointed one of the arguments from those pro JB was that he would have a lot of contacts within the game and he would be a draw to attract players? Or am I making that up? Problem is the usual at Rovers, no quality strikers seem interested in leaving London or the NW, I assume if you can earn similar money nearer to home why move to a City you don't know, leaving your family and friends behind? Ask Clint Hill.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 20, 2021 12:53:32 GMT
IMO we still need: 1 x CF 1 x CM 1 x LWB And then look to get Westbrooke, Barrett, Baldwin or Harries, Hanlan (?) and Hargreaves/Liddle out the door. I just don’t think three quality options to fill two spots in one of the most important parts of the team (CM) is enough. Aren't Clark and Anderson LWB's? RB/RWB seems the weakest area with only injury/illness prone Rodman and youngster Hoole as cover? Clarke is a LWB but sounds injury prone. Anderson is a RWB who played out of position on Tuesday due to us having no fit LWB. We’ve got Rodman/Anderson/Hoole for RWB and only Clarke for LWB.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Aug 20, 2021 13:47:12 GMT
This is worth listening to again as some bits are very relevant to our current situation
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Aug 20, 2021 13:57:55 GMT
Do we need Glen Whelan? Midfield is stacked as it is, would just be a waste of wages surely, unless he's seen as a Westbrooke replacement. Is midfield ‘stacked’? Numbers-wise maybe but not in terms of quality IMO. We only have three ‘senior’ options there - Grant, Finley & Coutts - and if one of those picks up an injury or suspension then you’re immediately looking at Hargreaves/Liddle as the next in line for those CM roles. I’d definitely like another quality addition in the middle if we can get one in. Midfield looked worryingly threadbare without Coutts and Finley. One more in and lose Westbrooke/Liddle/Hargreaves. We’d still have Grant and Martinez to add acceptable quality depth. Grant may well play centre back in a 3 also this season.
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Post by gasmania on Aug 20, 2021 13:59:25 GMT
This is worth listening to again as some bits are very relevant to our current situation The little look at the camera 😄
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 14:32:56 GMT
Aren't Clark and Anderson LWB's? RB/RWB seems the weakest area with only injury/illness prone Rodman and youngster Hoole as cover? Clarke is a LWB but sounds injury prone. Anderson is a RWB who played out of position on Tuesday due to us having no fit LWB. We’ve got Rodman/Anderson/Hoole for RWB and only Clarke for LWB. Everything on Google refers to Anderson being a LB and the fact he wore shirt No 3 at Carlisle seems to supports that fact.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 20, 2021 14:33:45 GMT
This is worth listening to again as some bits are very relevant to our current situation The little look at the camera 😄 Why only 1 championship club in for him.....i wonder...
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Post by Keynsham Rover on Aug 20, 2021 14:49:57 GMT
Clarke is a LWB but sounds injury prone. Anderson is a RWB who played out of position on Tuesday due to us having no fit LWB. We’ve got Rodman/Anderson/Hoole for RWB and only Clarke for LWB. Everything on Google refers to Anderson being a LB and the fact he wore shirt No 3 at Carlisle seems to supports that fact. You're thinking about Anderton mate- different player. Harry Anderson is the versatile lad we signed from Lincoln.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 20, 2021 15:41:54 GMT
Clarke is a LWB but sounds injury prone. Anderson is a RWB who played out of position on Tuesday due to us having no fit LWB. We’ve got Rodman/Anderson/Hoole for RWB and only Clarke for LWB. Everything on Google refers to Anderson being a LB and the fact he wore shirt No 3 at Carlisle seems to supports that fact. That’s because you’re looking at Anderton (who’s been signed to play LCB in a back three and is a stay-at-home LB at best rather than a LWB who can support the attack).
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 16:37:36 GMT
Everything on Google refers to Anderson being a LB and the fact he wore shirt No 3 at Carlisle seems to supports that fact. That’s because you’re looking at Anderton (who’s been signed to play LCB in a back three and is a stay-at-home LB at best rather than a LWB who can support the attack). Whatever we've a LB, LWB, LW, on the right side we have got just Hoole and Rodman plus Thomas.
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Post by Keynsham Rover on Aug 20, 2021 16:40:09 GMT
That’s because you’re looking at Anderton (who’s been signed to play LCB in a back three and is a stay-at-home LB at best rather than a LWB who can support the attack). Whatever we've a LB, LWB, LW, on the right side we have got just Hoole and Rodman plus Thomas. 3 good options?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2021 17:08:50 GMT
Whatever we've a LB, LWB, LW, on the right side we have got just Hoole and Rodman plus Thomas. 3 good options? As I posted earlier, Hoole's only a youngster and we rarely get more than 20 games a season out of Rodman.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Aug 20, 2021 17:28:17 GMT
That’s because you’re looking at Anderton (who’s been signed to play LCB in a back three and is a stay-at-home LB at best rather than a LWB who can support the attack). Whatever we've a LB, LWB, LW, on the right side we have got just Hoole and Rodman plus Thomas. Well no, because you’ve just been told Ander son is more of a righty … so that’s Anderson, Rodman and Thomas plus the youngster Hoole as right options, Clarke and Ander ton are the main lefties but Anderson and Martinez can do a job there. Plus in an interview JB put out last week he said they asked Josh Grant what he thought his best position was and he said Left Back! Despite never having played there for the gas! Also whilst Hoole is a “youngster” Tom Lockyer already had 30 league appearances at Luca’s age. If you’re good enough you’re old enough and from what we’ve seen so far Luca fits the bill.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Aug 20, 2021 17:53:13 GMT
That’s because you’re looking at Anderton (who’s been signed to play LCB in a back three and is a stay-at-home LB at best rather than a LWB who can support the attack). Whatever we've a LB, LWB, LW, on the right side we have got just Hoole and Rodman plus Thomas. How many times shall I mention that Anderson is a RWB before you include him as a right sided option?
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Post by Gassy on Aug 20, 2021 21:18:45 GMT
A fair point, but how many did Clarke average in those 3 years from open play? Hypothetically: Would you rather a striker who can score 20 goals from all areas, or one who scored 5 but all from open play? The more goals you score, the more you get marked and targeted, creating space for others too. All the goals Clarke scored in the Championship promotion season during 18/19 were from open play. The following season was spent in the Premier League where he hardly featured, but I'm sure you understand that was to be expected. Akinde hasn't scored many "from all areas" over the past 4 seasons, he's only managed just over 5 from open play and the rest penalties. I'm sure even you would admit an average of just over 5 goals from open play over four seasons isn't good enough. I'd be disappointed with that average if I was a defender. For the record, In an ideal world for me neither Clarke or Akinde would be signed. Haha all 6 of them? Akinde has scored from all areas - 13 pens, 11 right-footed shots, 3 left-footed shots and 3 headers. What other areas are there to score from? His hands? I don't really get your logic - you complain Akinde doesn't score enough goals from open play, but he's scored more goals from open play than Clarke has scored in the past 3 years, is clearly fitter and younger. He's also scored more headers, left footed shots, right footed shots and penalties. On top of that, Leon Clarke was rejected by Gloucester City and couldn't even get into L1 Shrewsbury, whilst Akinde played 44 games last season... If you don't like/want Akinde, that's fair enough - but to then argue that Leon Clarke would be a good signing is absolute madness, based on your logic. Btw, can you show me the figure of his apparent 5 open play goals? I'm not sure where you've pulled that figure from.
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