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Post by Gassy on Aug 28, 2021 17:58:34 GMT
Can't argue for patience anymore. Get him out and get someone in before the weekend to give them a fleeting chance to bring their own lads in. The issue is though that the window closes Tuesday. I want him gone at this point, but realistically we have to give him the window plus 3 games to get that squad performing.
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Post by Somersetgas on Aug 28, 2021 17:59:28 GMT
This line from the post match press conference irked me in particular. He makes it all about himself. “I’ve got my professional life at stake here because if I can’t get Bristol Rovers promoted out of this division, I’m not going to get the top jobs I want, I’m not going to get to work up the food chain for these big clubs, so I’ve got a lot invested.” I can’t bare to listen to him, It’s the all about me show unfortunately.
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Post by bluebiro on Aug 28, 2021 18:01:08 GMT
We can always go for everyone's favourite for the job here Paul cook is doing sterling work at ipswich if we ever need a replacement
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 28, 2021 18:02:18 GMT
Ignoring the other two league matches is a bit cheeky. It's actually 4pts from 5 games, which is abject relegation form. Looking at performances we've got a win against a club in perpetual crisis and a draw against 10 men having been a goal up. Well form is current return..else just always look at the league table at any stage in the season. If by chance the team had won the first 3 and lost the last 2 im sure the form would be what had happened in the last 3 games.... Rovers were by far the better team for virtually all the first half . A fluke goal in the dying seconds completely changes the game. Had Rovers gone in 1-0 up ,the second half would not have seen barrow defending a defeat. Despite the disappointment of a draw ,an away point is still an away point. I could see signs things are starting to come together. The wins will come. Fans need to hold their nerve for a few more games. Barrow's goal was no more a fluke than Nicholson's goal was for us, they were also only the width of the crossbar from scoring the winner. Not sure what you saw coming together, we now desperately need a win next week v Crawley or could get dragged into the bottom two, even the bottom spot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2021 18:03:01 GMT
Never wanted Barton anywhere near the club but no way can we recruit a replacement with just days before the window closes. Board need to make sure he signs no more mates but certainly fund decent acquisitions so we are not cut adrift by Christmas.
Got a nasty feeling Kilgore might be moved on by Barton.
Still one of the two criminal trials before Christmas might save Wael having to pay this joker of a manager off.
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Post by cj on Aug 28, 2021 18:03:15 GMT
What's the argument to be awful? And basing what on this? Your post is based around a nonsense projected table which means literally nothing. No merit at all. Yeah obviously I get that is what you meant. But you said it was an awful argument and you said basing it on this is odd at best. So what was the argument? And basing what on this?
Im confused as someone said about what promotion form and made out we are not far from that so it is not as catastrophic as what panickers are making out. I just pointed out that we are obviously no where near promotion for and in fact we are in relegation form and showed what the current projected table looks like. Yes it means nothing but shows the point that we are currently in deep trouble and is indeed looking very catastrophic right now.
Im not using this as an argument for anything. No need to as JB has done all the arguing for me himself with his current performance.
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Post by bobbyjones on Aug 28, 2021 18:03:17 GMT
H e hasnt changed, he has always been about himself all talk and handbags.
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Post by Strange Gas on Aug 28, 2021 18:04:59 GMT
This line from the post match press conference irked me in particular. He makes it all about himself. “I’ve got my professional life at stake here because if I can’t get Bristol Rovers promoted out of this division, I’m not going to get the top jobs I want, I’m not going to get to work up the food chain for these big clubs, so I’ve got a lot invested.” At least he’s finally realised he can’t keep w**king on about his top flight experience as a player. I see this as necessary progress, not least as his playing experience has little relevance to his career as a manager. We all knew that though
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 28, 2021 18:05:33 GMT
This line from the post match press conference irked me in particular. He makes it all about himself. “I’ve got my professional life at stake here because if I can’t get Bristol Rovers promoted out of this division, I’m not going to get the top jobs I want, I’m not going to get to work up the food chain for these big clubs, so I’ve got a lot invested.” He needs to lower his expectations. He’s not a player any more and he should worry about outperforming here before he even considers any long term ambitions.
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Post by casey12a on Aug 28, 2021 18:12:00 GMT
Does anyone really know what to do? We sack managers and it makes no difference, they actually go on and do better at other clubs. We buy players with good reputations and they look awful. What do we actually do? I have no idea at the moment.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Aug 28, 2021 18:12:47 GMT
Can't argue for patience anymore. Get him out and get someone in before the weekend to give them a fleeting chance to bring their own lads in. The issue is though that the window closes Tuesday. I want him gone at this point, but realistically we have to give him the window plus 3 games to get that squad performing. In all sensibility, I know you’re very right. I was shooting from the hip in the emotions of the moment. The neighbours must have wondered what was going on when that corner swung in and the players at the rear post didn’t even bother to make an effort! Ed Hadwin had a pasting as well! 😂 In the calmness after the storm looking at the table we’re only a win off the playoff spots and another win off the autos. It’s still really early days and he’s right, the team will need a little while to gel. The problem is we’ve been starved of success, including under himself, that we don’t have the patience and resoluteness ourselves to weather this poor form even though this compares similarly to that under DC 7 years ago. It doesn’t help that we’ve been talked up to expect a mentally strong team but they’re not mentally strong enough to take advantage of having an extra man and going a goal up. They fell flat under the pressure and passed side to side and backwards to little effect. Then there’s the court matters… I think you all can probably see I’m very very torn right now.
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Post by yattongas on Aug 28, 2021 18:17:00 GMT
Can't argue for patience anymore. Get him out and get someone in before the weekend to give them a fleeting chance to bring their own lads in. The issue is though that the window closes Tuesday. I want him gone at this point, but realistically we have to give him the window plus 3 games to get that squad performing. Agreed . As much as we’re all totally watered off and it’s been a bloody awful start , we have to remember we are only 5 games into the season with a new squad. it’s hard though…… 🤬
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Post by cj on Aug 28, 2021 18:17:36 GMT
If this happens, do you think he will be around to go on a winning run? Agree, but I fear Wael is in balls deep with the guy and won’t bail until a guilty verdict or Christmas And that is worrying. If he is waiting to December, can you imagine the fans at the Mem on November if there is no change?
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 28, 2021 18:45:42 GMT
Agree, but I fear Wael is in balls deep with the guy and won’t bail until a guilty verdict or Christmas And that is worrying. If he is waiting to December, can you imagine the fans at the Mem on November if there is no change? That surely depends on what results he's achieving by then?
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Post by cj on Aug 28, 2021 19:01:40 GMT
And that is worrying. If he is waiting to December, can you imagine the fans at the Mem on November if there is no change? That surely depends on what results he's achieving by then? Come on Topper. You are better than that. Read my last 5 words that you quoted. I will even highlight it for you.
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Post by socrates on Aug 28, 2021 19:06:20 GMT
First half was good..only going to be one winner and that was Rovers. The sending off seemed in Rovers favour and likely to lead to gaps that could be exploited. 3 or 4 nil looked on the cards. Then a high bounce..2 players facing away from goal stretch out a leg to the side to try to reach the ball. The barrow mans foot makes contact and it goes in the top corner. Total fluke of a goal, that changed the game. Barrow could then have 2 banks of 4 sat deep Allowing no space then try to hit rovers on the counter when things broke down. Maybe if there is no space try some long distance shots (on target) and look for rebounds and spills ? Still its 4 points from 3 games. Promotion form plays on the average of 2 pts/game. Based on win at home and draw away. So the target would have been 5 points from those 3 games. So not as catastrophic as the panickers are making out. A balanced view and you are right. Having backed Barton through this window and having sacked manager after bloody manager over the last 19 months I say we stick with him for at least a few more games. A new manager coming in now wouldn’t have any time before the window shuts to do anything anyway and Barton obviously knows the players he’s signed. Wael hasn’t been afraid to get rid when things have gone wrong or even right perhaps ( Coughlan ) since DC and it’s gone from bad to worse in that time. I understand people calling for Barton’s head I really do but let’s say he’s sacked tonight ? What then ? We sign another manager. We say let’s give him a transfer window and 15 -20 games with his own players don’t we ? Well we didn’t give Barton that if we sacked him tonight did we ? The window is as good as gone now it’s over Barton for a while . Obviously if we get to the end of September and we’re still in the position we are now then Barton’s time is up because he’s had that window and a run of games with his players. Now would be jumping the gun.
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Post by socrates on Aug 28, 2021 19:10:58 GMT
Been doing that for two years and look where we are. Who do you suggest ?
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Post by socrates on Aug 28, 2021 19:12:27 GMT
We can always go for everyone's favourite for the job here Paul cook is doing sterling work at ipswich if we ever need a replacement Might well get sacked soon , my mates a diehard Ipswich fan and said the fans are turning on him. They’ve had a poor start after a takeover and spending decent money.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Aug 28, 2021 19:15:52 GMT
I havent seen today's game but anyone that seriously believes there is the slightest chance of JB being sacked is living in cloud cuckoo land. I've said this numerous times before you dont give a manager free reign to completely rip up a squad and effectively start from scratch only to sack him 5 games in. Obviously last seasons capitulation is still fresh in our memories but realistically in terms of this seasons project it means absolutely nothing. Before anyone comes along and accuses me of being a Barton spokesperson I'm not saying I agree with that sentiment but the board have obviously started from scratch otherwise why give him the authority to overhaul us completely. Talk of another 4 or even 5 coming in simply shows that this is a long term project, I'll be amazed if he's not still in charge when he appears in court in Nov.
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 28, 2021 19:26:54 GMT
That surely depends on what results he's achieving by then? Come on Topper. You are better than that. Read my last 5 words that you quoted. I will even highlight it for you. Pretty obvious if we win games fans will be happy, if we don't then there's nothing to suggest Wael won't act, he hardly waited to that long before dismissing BG and PT. Not sure what sacking JB will do now with the window about to shut, as any replacement won't arrive until after the windows closed.
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