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Post by kampucheagas on Sept 19, 2021 6:28:53 GMT
I thought that yesterday we played better than against Crawley 2 weeks before, I have not read much about the referee, I witnesses the worst one sided bit of refereeing in my life yesterday and he (the Ref) was responsible for Orient's first two goals. I was fuming. Morning, Joey.
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Post by oldie on Sept 19, 2021 6:32:18 GMT
I thought that yesterday we played better than against Crawley 2 weeks before, I have not read much about the referee, I witnesses the worst one sided bit of refereeing in my life yesterday and he (the Ref) was responsible for Orient's first two goals. I was fuming. Morning, Joey. Indeed I read that this morning in disbelief
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 19, 2021 6:42:47 GMT
I thought that yesterday we played better than against Crawley 2 weeks before, I have not read much about the referee, I witnesses the worst one sided bit of refereeing in my life yesterday and he (the Ref) was responsible for Orient's first two goals. I was fuming. Anyone who wants to blame the ref yesterday is just looking for excuses. Yes the ref was poor but the rank amateur defending that allowed Smith a free header at the near post, a non clearance to the edge of the 18 yard box, and a simple 5 yard pass from Anderton to Collins that didn’t make it we’re the reasons we lost. The ref just made a couple of poor decisions and I thought he handled the second half pretty well. The real cause of the problems were formation and tactics: Grant at RB - he’s not a RWB, can’t play as a RWB abs will never be a RWB. That’s not his fault, it’s the same as when Tisdale put Ehmer there. Poorly defended, couldn’t get forward and we offered little attacking down that side. Anderton - what a shocker he had for 45 mins. I’ll just sum him up as totally incompetent. Loss markers, lost possession, out ran by opposition players, won little in the air. Taylor and Alfie were leading him when it should be the other way around. Whelan - Sat so deep that he suffocated the CBs and had a 20 yard gap to any other central midfielder it was easy for LO to press and break down. Collins - completely outrun, outfought and offered no width. Only got forward twice the whole game. Pitman - Won nothing, can’t chase, can’t battle, can barely move, doesn’t win anything aerially and unless you put it on the end of his boot 2 yards out looks like he won’t get close to scoring a goal. You couldn’t blame Belshaw, Alfie or Taylor for much yesterday imo. If there was going to be a MOM I would give it Finley. At least he looks fit, like he cares and tries his heart out to defend and make something happen. Evans and Junior Brown had solid games, but when you have no idea to utilise what those players offer you won’t create much. All of the above lies at the feet of Barton.
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Post by farmerofsheep on Sept 19, 2021 6:47:47 GMT
Indeed I read that this morning in disbelief Were you not at the game??
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Post by pirate on Sept 19, 2021 6:54:29 GMT
Finally got round to listening to Barton's post match interview. Even more delusional than normal. "Not much in it". 3 goals in it pal and all of those to the opposition by half time. Tick tock. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 19, 2021 7:02:19 GMT
I thought that yesterday we played better than against Crawley 2 weeks before, I have not read much about the referee, I witnesses the worst one sided bit of refereeing in my life yesterday and he (the Ref) was responsible for Orient's first two goals. I was fuming. Anyone who wants to blame the ref yesterday is just looking for excuses. Yes the ref was poor but the rank amateur defending that allowed Smith a free header at the near post, a non clearance to the edge of the 18 yard box, and a simple 5 yard pass from Anderton to Collins that didn’t make it we’re the reasons we lost. The ref just made a couple of poor decisions and I thought he handled the second half pretty well. The real cause of the problems were formation and tactics: Grant at RB - he’s not a RWB, can’t play as a RWB abs will never be a RWB. That’s not his fault, it’s the same as when Tisdale put Ehmer there. Poorly defended, couldn’t get forward and we offered little attacking down that side. Anderton - what a shocker he had for 45 mins. I’ll just sum him up as totally incompetent. Loss markers, lost possession, out ran by opposition players, won little in the air. Taylor and Alfie were leading him when it should be the other way around. Whelan - Sat so deep that he suffocated the CBs and had a 20 yard gap to any other central midfielder it was easy for LO to press and break down. Collins - completely outrun, outfought and offered no width. Only got forward twice the whole game. Pitman - Won nothing, can’t chase, can’t battle, can barely move, doesn’t win anything aerially and unless you put it on the end of his boot 2 yards out looks like he won’t get close to scoring a goal. You couldn’t blame Belshaw, Alfie or Taylor for much yesterday imo. If there was going to be a MOM I would give it Finley. At least he looks fit, like he cares and tries his heart out to defend and make something happen. Evans and Junior Brown had solid games, but when you have no idea to utilise what those players offer you won’t create much. All of the above lies at the feet of Barton. What is Grant's position though?! Because to me he looks sh** everywhere he plays. I've never known someone consistently play so poorly that consistently gets in the team so much. Maybe these "proper football men" know more than me?!??!
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Post by putterbishopston on Sept 19, 2021 7:02:24 GMT
Finally got round to listening to Barton's post match interview. Even more delusional than normal. "Not much in it". 3 goals in it pal and all of those to the opposition by half time. Tick tock. View Attachment At least he admits a clock goes tick-tock, it must be one of the first thing he has admitted, Barton OUT and NOW.
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Post by oldie on Sept 19, 2021 7:05:18 GMT
Indeed I read that this morning in disbelief Were you not at the game?? From a match report, not a Rovers or Orient supporter. "They failed to force a single testing save from visiting keeper Lawrence Vigouroux as Kenny Jackett's Orient continued an impressive start to the campaign." You cannot be unlucky with a stat like that
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Post by pirate on Sept 19, 2021 7:08:58 GMT
Were you not at the game?? From a match report, not a Rovers or Orient supporter. "They failed to force a single testing save from visiting keeper Lawrence Vigouroux as Kenny Jackett's Orient continued an impressive start to the campaign." You cannot be unlucky with a stat like that Wrong. We had a shot on target...the penalty in injury time. Once again, utterly pathetic in front of goal. Abysmal defending too.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 19, 2021 7:09:59 GMT
Anyone who wants to blame the ref yesterday is just looking for excuses. Yes the ref was poor but the rank amateur defending that allowed Smith a free header at the near post, a non clearance to the edge of the 18 yard box, and a simple 5 yard pass from Anderton to Collins that didn’t make it we’re the reasons we lost. The ref just made a couple of poor decisions and I thought he handled the second half pretty well. The real cause of the problems were formation and tactics: Grant at RB - he’s not a RWB, can’t play as a RWB abs will never be a RWB. That’s not his fault, it’s the same as when Tisdale put Ehmer there. Poorly defended, couldn’t get forward and we offered little attacking down that side. Anderton - what a shocker he had for 45 mins. I’ll just sum him up as totally incompetent. Loss markers, lost possession, out ran by opposition players, won little in the air. Taylor and Alfie were leading him when it should be the other way around. Whelan - Sat so deep that he suffocated the CBs and had a 20 yard gap to any other central midfielder it was easy for LO to press and break down. Collins - completely outrun, outfought and offered no width. Only got forward twice the whole game. Pitman - Won nothing, can’t chase, can’t battle, can barely move, doesn’t win anything aerially and unless you put it on the end of his boot 2 yards out looks like he won’t get close to scoring a goal. You couldn’t blame Belshaw, Alfie or Taylor for much yesterday imo. If there was going to be a MOM I would give it Finley. At least he looks fit, like he cares and tries his heart out to defend and make something happen. Evans and Junior Brown had solid games, but when you have no idea to utilise what those players offer you won’t create much. All of the above lies at the feet of Barton. What is Grant's position though?! Because to me he looks sh** everywhere he plays. I've never known someone consistently play so poorly that consistently gets in the team so much. Maybe these "proper football men" know more than me?!??! Grant said in his pre match presser he sees his best position in defence, RFB or RCB.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 19, 2021 7:11:54 GMT
What is Grant's position though?! Because to me he looks sh** everywhere he plays. I've never known someone consistently play so poorly that consistently gets in the team so much. Maybe these "proper football men" know more than me?!??! Grant said in his pre match presser he sees his best position in defence, RFB or RCB. SB is his best position for me (Sub's bench).
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Post by gashead1981 on Sept 19, 2021 8:22:52 GMT
Anyone who wants to blame the ref yesterday is just looking for excuses. Yes the ref was poor but the rank amateur defending that allowed Smith a free header at the near post, a non clearance to the edge of the 18 yard box, and a simple 5 yard pass from Anderton to Collins that didn’t make it we’re the reasons we lost. The ref just made a couple of poor decisions and I thought he handled the second half pretty well. The real cause of the problems were formation and tactics: Grant at RB - he’s not a RWB, can’t play as a RWB abs will never be a RWB. That’s not his fault, it’s the same as when Tisdale put Ehmer there. Poorly defended, couldn’t get forward and we offered little attacking down that side. Anderton - what a shocker he had for 45 mins. I’ll just sum him up as totally incompetent. Loss markers, lost possession, out ran by opposition players, won little in the air. Taylor and Alfie were leading him when it should be the other way around. Whelan - Sat so deep that he suffocated the CBs and had a 20 yard gap to any other central midfielder it was easy for LO to press and break down. Collins - completely outrun, outfought and offered no width. Only got forward twice the whole game. Pitman - Won nothing, can’t chase, can’t battle, can barely move, doesn’t win anything aerially and unless you put it on the end of his boot 2 yards out looks like he won’t get close to scoring a goal. You couldn’t blame Belshaw, Alfie or Taylor for much yesterday imo. If there was going to be a MOM I would give it Finley. At least he looks fit, like he cares and tries his heart out to defend and make something happen. Evans and Junior Brown had solid games, but when you have no idea to utilise what those players offer you won’t create much. All of the above lies at the feet of Barton. What is Grant's position though?! Because to me he looks sh** everywhere he plays. I've never known someone consistently play so poorly that consistently gets in the team so much. Maybe these "proper football men" know more than me?!??! He can play as a CB or as a DCM to me. As a full back in a 4 he could also get away with playing but he isn’t a WB, never in a month of sundays. When we signed him after his cracking season at Plymouth he played in front of the back 3 or 4.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 19, 2021 8:36:50 GMT
What is Grant's position though?! Because to me he looks sh** everywhere he plays. I've never known someone consistently play so poorly that consistently gets in the team so much. Maybe these "proper football men" know more than me?!??! He can play as a CB or as a DCM to me. As a full back in a 4 he could also get away with playing but he isn’t a WB, never in a month of sundays. When we signed him after his cracking season at Plymouth he played in front of the back 3 or 4. Was it even a cracking season though? Plymouth fans didn't seem too bothered about him joining us in the first place.
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Post by baggins on Sept 19, 2021 11:55:39 GMT
I'll throw a spanner in the works and say that I didn't think we were that bad. Collins was through but defender managed to get a free kick, they scored not long after. Heads went down, but we picked ourselves up and went again. 2 defensive mistakes and 3 down at half time. Bit harsh I thought.
Not as if they battered our goal. I know we didn't cause them much trouble but I think the scoreline flattered them.
One thing I'm surprised at considering JB as Manager, is that we don't know how to play the Ref. They had him in his pocket within 5 minutes. Keeper should have taken a yellow for time wasting within the first 30 mins, they certainly knew how to win a free kick and sure as hell knew what getting the physio on every 10 minutes would do to the game.
Ah well, just my view.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 19, 2021 12:11:07 GMT
The abuse was from one particular person who used the most degusting language whilst standing right next to a very young girl Real class from a so called gashead Get real Henbury, I used 2 swear words, that hardly register on the scale of bad language. How's your support of JB coming along now? Find that way more offensive than my language. But you do have the right to your opinion! at least i respected the man and gave him no obscene verbal abuse. Any swearing around any very young children is a degusting habit and there was no need for it. i respect you don't like Joey that's your opinion and i respect your right to voice your opinion to voice that in a public environment, but please do it in a way that is respectful to other people. How would you like if it somebody spoke to members of your family in way that was offensive to you ?
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Post by meadgas on Sept 19, 2021 12:44:13 GMT
Anyone know why the linesman flagged when they scored their third goal, thought he was flagging for offside but the ref just waved it away.
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Post by baggins on Sept 19, 2021 12:47:28 GMT
Anyone know why the linesman flagged when they scored their third goal, thought he was flagging for offside but the ref just waved it away. Because all 3 of them were crap.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 19, 2021 12:51:24 GMT
I'll throw a spanner in the works and say that I didn't think we were that bad. Collins was through but defender managed to get a free kick, they scored not long after. Heads went down, but we picked ourselves up and went again. 2 defensive mistakes and 3 down at half time. Bit harsh I thought. Not as if they battered our goal. I know we didn't cause them much trouble but I think the scoreline flattered them. One thing I'm surprised at considering JB as Manager, is that we don't know how to play the Ref. They had him in his pocket within 5 minutes. Keeper should have taken a yellow for time wasting within the first 30 mins, they certainly knew how to win a free kick and sure as hell knew what getting the physio on every 10 minutes would do to the game. Ah well, just my view. Collins wasn't though on goal though, the best he could have done was find Pitman but when he was in a similar position in the second half managed to find the defender! The subsequent goal was down to Smith totally losing Anderson at a corner, even though he was stood next to him before it was taken, something our strikers never seem to do. Whilst JB gets all the stick how can he teach an experienced pro to do the basics, which is really KB's job anyway.
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Post by baggins on Sept 19, 2021 12:54:33 GMT
I'll throw a spanner in the works and say that I didn't think we were that bad. Collins was through but defender managed to get a free kick, they scored not long after. Heads went down, but we picked ourselves up and went again. 2 defensive mistakes and 3 down at half time. Bit harsh I thought. Not as if they battered our goal. I know we didn't cause them much trouble but I think the scoreline flattered them. One thing I'm surprised at considering JB as Manager, is that we don't know how to play the Ref. They had him in his pocket within 5 minutes. Keeper should have taken a yellow for time wasting within the first 30 mins, they certainly knew how to win a free kick and sure as hell knew what getting the physio on every 10 minutes would do to the game. Ah well, just my view. Collins wasn't though on goal though, the best he could have done was find Pitman but when he was in a similar position in the second half managed to find the defender! The subsequent goal was down to Smith totally losing Anderson at a corner, even though he was stood next to him before it was taken, something our strikers never seem to do. Whilst JB gets all the stick how can he teach an experienced pro to do the basics, which is really KB's job anyway. I didn't say he was through on goal.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 19, 2021 13:25:46 GMT
Anyone know why the linesman flagged when they scored their third goal, thought he was flagging for offside but the ref just waved it away. Indicating the ball had crossed the line?
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