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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 4, 2021 15:26:56 GMT
I keep reading he's a lovely bloke and he's done some good things while here but I think we would all agree that there has never been such a shift in feel with the club being a community club (the community trust papers over the cracks). It felt like lots of good characters in and around the club have been shifted on since Wael has been here. Someone put that they feel more like a customer than a supporter nowadays. Prices of things have gone up more than they used to (I'm not talking inflation). And then this fall out with Ash, who has done so much good for the club (I realise they have made up since but still feel uncomfortable)
I'm not slagging Wael off by the way. I'm just on the fence with what I think. He's very good at the jumping in the away end with the supporters, and coming out with these speeches (particularly when season tickets need to be sold), bigging up signings on twitter. It seems to be you go against him you're out the door whereas you tell him what he wants to hear and you'll be alright!
Don't get me wrong, he's paid off the debts, supported the club financially during the pandemic and does seem a respectable owner.
The general concensus is he is a decent bloke who can't run a football club or make a good decision to save his life! All opinions are welcome, like I said I'm on the fence myself!
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Post by bobbyjones on Oct 4, 2021 15:33:27 GMT
Ask the bigmouth Topper, he likes to sit on the fence hopefully one day fall off.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Oct 4, 2021 15:34:48 GMT
Ugh can you hurry up and get banned again
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 15:35:57 GMT
As you say, nice man with money but needs a stronger group of people around him who can make the hard decisions to make BRFC a success.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 4, 2021 15:35:59 GMT
Ugh can you hurry up and get banned again What relevance does that have to my thread? The daft thing is you'll be moaning about me attention seeking again no doubt. |
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Post by northridinggas on Oct 4, 2021 15:46:51 GMT
I keep reading he's a lovely bloke and he's done some good things while here but I think we would all agree that there has never been such a shift in feel with the club being a community club (the community trust papers over the cracks). It felt like lots of good characters in and around the club have been shifted on since Wael has been here. Someone put that they feel more like a customer than a supporter nowadays. Prices of things have gone up more than they used to (I'm not talking inflation). And then this fall out with Ash, who has done so much good for the club (I realise they have made up since but still feel uncomfortable) I'm not slagging Wael off by the way. I'm just on the fence with what I think. He's very good at the jumping in the away end with the supporters, and coming out with these speeches (particularly when season tickets need to be sold), bigging up signings on twitter. It seems to be you go against him you're out the door whereas you tell him what he wants to hear and you'll be alright! Don't get me wrong, he's paid off the debts, supported the club financially during the pandemic and does seem a respectable owner. The general concensus is he is a decent bloke who can't run a football club or make a good decision to save his life! All opinions are welcome, like I said I'm on the fence myself! I feel very strange, I largely agree with a GGMI post... |
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Post by axegas on Oct 4, 2021 15:46:53 GMT
It’s frustrating because Wael has the potential to be a very good owner of the football club. He’s invested a lot of money to keep the club afloat, he’s done a lot of good things to help the fan base donating £35,000 to the community trust this weekend being an example of that. Additionally he seems really engaged and passionate about the club, he wants to see us do well. The training ground is another welcome thing that has been made possible through his financial commitment.
Unfortunately most of the money that he’s funnelled into the football club has gone into the wrong hands and been spent on the wrong things. He’s hopped from one project to the next in order to amend this and seeing that it hasn’t, he’s gone full out on supporting probably the worst bloke of the lot in terms of stability and long term viability. There’s a lot riding on this Barton gamble and Wael knows it which is why he’s prepared, for better or for worse, to give him the time that most fans would not.
I really want it to work out for Wael because his hearts in the right place and although his decision making has been more than poor so far, he is trying to make decisions in the clubs best interest. It’s got to the point now where I almost feel uncomfortable about the money Wael is investing for the dismal return that he is getting from it, so I hope from that angle we can become more sustainable for Wael’s sake too.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 4, 2021 15:50:07 GMT
Have we moved forwards on the pitch in 5 years ? Nope
Have we got anywhere with a new stadium in 5 yrs ? Nope
We’ve got a training ground but that’s done us no good .
Report reads ….. must do better.
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Post by gasgasgasgas on Oct 4, 2021 15:51:26 GMT
I keep reading he's a lovely bloke and he's done some good things while here but I think we would all agree that there has never been such a shift in feel with the club being a community club (the community trust papers over the cracks). It felt like lots of good characters in and around the club have been shifted on since Wael has been here. Someone put that they feel more like a customer than a supporter nowadays. Prices of things have gone up more than they used to (I'm not talking inflation). And then this fall out with Ash, who has done so much good for the club (I realise they have made up since but still feel uncomfortable) I'm not slagging Wael off by the way. I'm just on the fence with that I think. He's very good at the jumping in the away end with the supporters, and coming out with these speeches (particularly when season tickets need to be sold), bigging up signings on twitter. It seems to be you go against him you're out the door whereas you tell him what he wants to hear and you'll be alright! Don't get me wrong, he's paid off the debts, supported the club financially during the pandemic and does seem a respectable owner. The general concensus is he is a decent bloke who can't run a football club or make a good decision to save his life! All opinions are welcome, like I said I'm on the fence myself! I think he has done a good job of convincing people he saved Bristol Rovers. I don’t think he did. The ‘debt’ was money owed to himself from buying the club, wasted on the stadium project, wasted on the London Office, wasted on the likes of Nichols and Bennett - or invested in the training ground (which we would have survived without). Higgs and co wouldn’t have let the club go into administration- even post Sainsbury’s fiasco. You get people in life who do not get on with other people. There are psychological reasons for this. Each week there is some fall out or political issue. Screen soccer, Ash, Masters, the SC, the President’s club, Hamer, Tom Parinello, DC, GC,Clint Hill. Do you have a scenario where you have someone trying to play Dictator? I have no idea- but this is what it comes across as. True leadership is about bringing ppl together to achieve a common goal. Barton knows how to “play the game”, talks about what a great owner Wael is, and I’m sure makes Wael feel good. Would you or I touch Barton - no chance - the assaults, trials, all the crap in my “Questions for Wael” post? So our owner is likely weak and heavily misguided - or maybe worse. I’m gonna say it - I think the club would be better off without Wael. Someone would buy I suspect (but depends how much he’s selling for). But even if that means starting again in non league - if Barcelona, Bayern, Dortmund and the mighty Exeter and Wimbledon can make it work as a fan owned club, I’m sure a club like ours could. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 4, 2021 15:52:55 GMT
It’s frustrating because Wael has the potential to be a very good owner of the football club. He’s invested a lot of money to keep the club afloat, he’s done a lot of good things to help the fan base donating £35,000 to the community trust this weekend being an example of that. Additionally he seems really engaged and passionate about the club, he wants to see us do well. The training ground is another welcome thing that has been made possible through his financial commitment. Unfortunately most of the money that he’s funnelled into the football club has gone into the wrong hands and been spent on the wrong things. He’s hopped from one project to the next in order to amend this and seeing that it hasn’t, he’s gone full out on supporting probably the worst bloke of the lot in terms of stability and long term viability. There’s a lot riding on this Barton gamble and Wael knows it which is why he’s prepared, for better or for worse, to give him the time that most fans would not. I really want it to work out for Wael because his hearts in the right place and although his decision making has been more than poor so far, he is trying to make decisions in the clubs best interest. It’s got to the point now where I almost feel uncomfortable about the money Wael is investing for the dismal return that he is getting from it, so I hope from that angle we can become more sustainable for Wael’s sake too. The most riding on it for Wael but the least for Joey is what worries me. For all Joey's faults he is high profile so could probably find a job somewhere if really needed but doesn't need the money anyway. There was a lot more riding on it for someone like Ben Garner who was relatively unknown. It's a shame if we didn't back Garner fully. Swindon were really impressive on Saturday and if what BG says was true then I feel for the bloke not being given more of a chance with us. It looked like he had a of support with the amount of players he brought in, and I'm sure he made some mistakes with us that he has learned from. He does seem like he is living and breathing everything though and maybe he is better supported now like he says. He's a decent bloke too unlike the clown we have at the helm. |
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Post by gashead4ever on Oct 4, 2021 15:53:45 GMT
dont think any 1 can say any thing bad about wael hes 100% committed to us a real down to earth bloke but has got got few things wrong hes surrounded his self with the wrong people hes also new to running a football club hopefully he can learn from mistakes i would like to see more ex rovers involved with the board i would like hollaway involved as he is a fan and know rovers inside out
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 4, 2021 15:55:32 GMT
dont think any 1 can say any thing bad about wael hes 100% committed to us a real down to earth bloke but has got got few things wrong hes surrounded his self with the wrong people hes also new to running a football club hopefully he can learn from mistakes i would like to see more ex rovers involved with the board i would like hollaway involved as he is a fan and know rovers inside out Is he down to earth though or is he good at playing the game? |
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Post by gashead4ever on Oct 4, 2021 15:57:52 GMT
dont think any 1 can say any thing bad about wael hes 100% committed to us a real down to earth bloke but has got got few things wrong hes surrounded his self with the wrong people hes also new to running a football club hopefully he can learn from mistakes i would like to see more ex rovers involved with the board i would like hollaway involved as he is a fan and know rovers inside out Is he down to earth though or is he good at playing the game? i honestly think hes genuine |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 4, 2021 16:00:27 GMT
Another thing about Wael. Did anyone think that him and Joey were a strange fit from the off? It's the reason I couldn't see it happening at the time to be honest and shocked me. From what Joey said as well it almost seems like Wael has thought f**k it nothing else has worked, why not!
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 4, 2021 16:04:53 GMT
I keep reading he's a lovely bloke and he's done some good things while here but I think we would all agree that there has never been such a shift in feel with the club being a community club (the community trust papers over the cracks). It felt like lots of good characters in and around the club have been shifted on since Wael has been here. Someone put that they feel more like a customer than a supporter nowadays. Prices of things have gone up more than they used to (I'm not talking inflation). And then this fall out with Ash, who has done so much good for the club (I realise they have made up since but still feel uncomfortable) I'm not slagging Wael off by the way. I'm just on the fence with what I think. He's very good at the jumping in the away end with the supporters, and coming out with these speeches (particularly when season tickets need to be sold), bigging up signings on twitter. It seems to be you go against him you're out the door whereas you tell him what he wants to hear and you'll be alright! Don't get me wrong, he's paid off the debts, supported the club financially during the pandemic and does seem a respectable owner. The general concensus is he is a decent bloke who can't run a football club or make a good decision to save his life! All opinions are welcome, like I said I'm on the fence myself! Agree with a lot of that. I like so many things WAQ has done but you can’t get away from the fact that in the last two years it has just been one bad decision after another leading us to where we are now. And as owner he has to carry the can just as he would get all the plaudits if it had gone right. I would add that others in a leadership position, Starnes as CEO, TW as DoF, and various managers have to take their share of the blame but WAQ as owner can change that and he hasn’t. And we seem no further on regarding getting a new ground which, in his own words, was desperately needed. The silence regarding that particular issue has been deafening. I see that issue as esp worrying because without it we’ll become (we are) a yo-yo club between leagues 1 and 2 and possibly even the National League. Some real honesty, straight talking regarding the ground is needed. Some real issues need sorting. UTG! |
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Post by northridinggas on Oct 4, 2021 16:07:26 GMT
Funnily enough I was thumbing through Mike Jay's Images of England book on Rovers today. There's a picture of the then board on the day we became owners of the Mem. God knows there was enough criticism of them then but they really seem like the epitome of competence compared with our current set up
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Post by cj on Oct 4, 2021 16:43:18 GMT
He's made mistakes, haven't we all. But less would be made if he was able to get a strong team around him to help him run the club. Until then, I think mistakes will continue to happen.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Oct 4, 2021 16:51:40 GMT
Kept us afloat during a global pandemic in which other clubs are still struggling to survive.
Built us our own training ground after decades of renting.
Club creating increasing revenue streams year on year under his tenure.
Ripped up the UWE deal which IMO would of been the end of us.
Still in negotiations and knows the importance of trying to build us a stadium we can call home.
Brought in Tom Gorringe who imo has dragged this club kicking and screaming into the 21st century.
There’s other smaller things that irritate me, and I personally don’t think the CEO is a doing a good job, but without WAQ we probably wouldn’t have a club to support right now.
Yes form has been woeful of recent times, but I trust him to get it right and see us through.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 4, 2021 16:58:16 GMT
Kept us afloat during a global pandemic in which other clubs are still struggling to survive. Built us our own training ground after decades of renting. Club creating increasing revenue streams year on year under his tenure. Ripped up the UWE deal which IMO would of been the end of us. Still in negotiations and knows the importance of trying to build us a stadium we can call home. Brought in Tom Gorringe who imo has dragged this club kicking and screaming into the 21st century. There’s other smaller things that irritate me, and I personally don’t think the CEO is a doing a good job, but without WAQ we probably wouldn’t have a club to support right now. Yes form has been woeful of recent times, but I trust him to get it right and see us through. Yeah, that's what makes the recent run so awful. It's like we've finally had some decent backing for the first time in our history, and it's just getting P?!sed away. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 4, 2021 17:30:41 GMT
Kept us afloat during a global pandemic in which other clubs are still struggling to survive. Built us our own training ground after decades of renting. Club creating increasing revenue streams year on year under his tenure. Ripped up the UWE deal which IMO would of been the end of us. Still in negotiations and knows the importance of trying to build us a stadium we can call home. Brought in Tom Gorringe who imo has dragged this club kicking and screaming into the 21st century. There’s other smaller things that irritate me, and I personally don’t think the CEO is a doing a good job, but without WAQ we probably wouldn’t have a club to support right now. Yes form has been woeful of recent times, but I trust him to get it right and see us through. All that is right but we have to be careful not to feel indebted to Wael to the point where he doesn't need to take account for anything. Seeing him appear on the news just now defending Barton strikes me as desperation. |
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