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Post by richie on Oct 11, 2021 15:21:33 GMT
cj, Sorry if you think I was condescending. I had no intention of that. I have played many times against better teams and we made them look poor by how we played. I actually felt we played well against Walsall and got the breaks we deserved. I think saturday showed when we made the substitutions that with our better players on the pitch rather than the bench we could be a force. Suddenly with Thomas and Nicholson on the pitch it seemed to inspire Whelan and Coutts to actually attack the opposition. That's fair enough Steve. I apologise for taking it the wrong way. If you had said it face to face, it would have been interpreted differently and in the way you meant it to come across. I am sure I am not alone with this but I don't always find it easy to get the right interpretation that was intended when it is written/typed.
When I see teams come up against better teams, especially when away from home, to get a good result, we often see it go a couple of ways.
The better team would be over confident in winning the game and we have seen many times that this make them under perform.
The away team would turn the game into a bit of a scrappy game to drag the better team down to their level. The away team would defend well and make it hard for the better team to break them down and hit on the counter or good use of set pieces.
I believe all 3 played a part and not that we were just well organised and played well. Walsall probably thought that because we hadn't won in nearly a year away from home and not doing well in the league, they probably expected a win and therefore didn't show enough respect and under performed. As they were under performing and in my opinion, we didn't play well, we were able to drag them down lower to our level even though they took the lead. It wasn't a good game. However, due to them not performing well and was only 1-0 up with 10 minutes to go, we took advantage of counter attacks and set pieces and got the goal which boosted us and declined them further and we got the 2nd goal. Walsall were poor on the day. We were just as bad. I don't think we won by being organised and playing well. However, a win is a win. Then Swindon knocked us backwards again. I just hope Bradford don't do the same this coming weekend.
I think your overthinking it if Walsall are looking at our away form, its like playing roulette and saying because the last 20 rolls have been black the next one will be black. If Walsall were any good they wouldnt be dragged down to our level whatever that is. Maybe we managed the game well, showed that Walsall were limited and as they didnt have an answer we got our rewards and maybe we'll do it again this weekend. UTG
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Post by bobbyjones on Oct 11, 2021 15:23:39 GMT
The point I was making was that Walsall were not garbage and have a decent home record also how you play can affect the opposition and make them look poor. Surely the point was that Walsall were garbage when we played them, or we somehow managed to pull off the performance of the season then revert back to standard v Swindon. The next two league games, probably Newport as well, will give us a good idea if JB is making any progress, or that we're only capable of beating the weaker L2 sides. Sitting on the fence again. Make your mind up which side your on, IN or OUT.
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Post by canberragas69 on Oct 11, 2021 16:32:19 GMT
walsall weren't garbage, neither were we in that game. However, they let us play through midfiel. Swindon didn't and we. couldn't cope. Definitely BG 3 JB 1
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Post by aghast on Oct 11, 2021 17:31:42 GMT
Surely the point was that Walsall were garbage when we played them, or we somehow managed to pull off the performance of the season then revert back to standard v Swindon. The next two league games, probably Newport as well, will give us a good idea if JB is making any progress, or that we're only capable of beating the weaker L2 sides. Sitting on the fence again. Make your mind up which side your on, IN or OUT. I'm still on the fence, although leaning heavily towards the Out side. But if you're going to say 'Enough is enough. Go now', it would be odd to get to that decision after two wins in three games.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 11, 2021 18:27:14 GMT
cj, Sorry if you think I was condescending. I had no intention of that. I have played many times against better teams and we made them look poor by how we played. I actually felt we played well against Walsall and got the breaks we deserved. I think saturday showed when we made the substitutions that with our better players on the pitch rather than the bench we could be a force. Suddenly with Thomas and Nicholson on the pitch it seemed to inspire Whelan and Coutts to actually attack the opposition. That's fair enough Steve. I apologise for taking it the wrong way. If you had said it face to face, it would have been interpreted differently and in the way you meant it to come across. I am sure I am not alone with this but I don't always find it easy to get the right interpretation that was intended when it is written/typed.
When I see teams come up against better teams, especially when away from home, to get a good result, we often see it go a couple of ways.
The better team would be over confident in winning the game and we have seen many times that this make them under perform.
The away team would turn the game into a bit of a scrappy game to drag the better team down to their level. The away team would defend well and make it hard for the better team to break them down and hit on the counter or good use of set pieces.
I believe all 3 played a part and not that we were just well organised and played well. Walsall probably thought that because we hadn't won in nearly a year away from home and not doing well in the league, they probably expected a win and therefore didn't show enough respect and under performed. As they were under performing and in my opinion, we didn't play well, we were able to drag them down lower to our level even though they took the lead. It wasn't a good game. However, due to them not performing well and was only 1-0 up with 10 minutes to go, we took advantage of counter attacks and set pieces and got the goal which boosted us and declined them further and we got the 2nd goal. Walsall were poor on the day. We were just as bad. I don't think we won by being organised and playing well. However, a win is a win. Then Swindon knocked us backwards again. I just hope Bradford don't do the same this coming weekend.
I thought we put in a decent performance against Walsall, regardless how poor they were on the day, it was probably one of best away performances since we won for last away game at Wimbledon. Hopefully we can put in another similar away performance at Bradford.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 11, 2021 18:30:46 GMT
Surely the point was that Walsall were garbage when we played them, or we somehow managed to pull off the performance of the season then revert back to standard v Swindon. The next two league games, probably Newport as well, will give us a good idea if JB is making any progress, or that we're only capable of beating the weaker L2 sides. Sitting on the fence again. Make your mind up which side your on, IN or OUT. Backing JB at the moment but if he fails to win one of our next 3 games then you have to question where he's taking the club/what progress is he actually making. At least I'm not coming up with some mad conspiracy theories about Barton working under cover for Lansdown!
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Post by chilly1883 on Oct 11, 2021 19:22:34 GMT
Keep him till end of season! Unless he’s jailed of course.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 11, 2021 20:01:35 GMT
Keep him till end of season! Unless he’s jailed of course. Will you still be saying that if we lose our next 3 league games, or just pick up the odd point in those games?
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Post by 32 on Oct 11, 2021 20:06:19 GMT
Let us wait and see.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Oct 11, 2021 20:23:40 GMT
Keep him till end of season! Unless he’s jailed of course. Will you still be saying that if we lose our next 3 league games, or just pick up the odd point in those games? Yes as it takes more than 10/15 games to shape a new side. Unless we are rock bottom at Christmas he gets the season for me.
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Post by gillygas07 on Oct 11, 2021 21:44:29 GMT
Yes .. even if he becomes a success on the pitch which I very much doubt .. If u go back to the beginning of Barton’s appointment, ur trusting someone to come in and make wholesale changes to the club with the whole playing and coaching set up.. probably ok for a experienced level headed coach ! Anyone in their right mind would not employ someone with a record like Barton’s… He’s been employed on the back of playing in the premier league.. If ur trying to build some stability at this club and take it forward why would u entrust him with anything,the guys a ticking time bomb until the next incident .. it’s just waiting to happen.. can anyone honestly see him here long term ? I can’t rest easy till the guys gone from the club , just chatting to a couple of people in and around the club recently they have seen already what he’s about but everyone knew this to start with ! .. It’s not JBs fault, the club employed him knowing what he’s like why should they be surprised by his erratic behaviour it’s been documented for all to see and still with him!!.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 11, 2021 22:16:48 GMT
Looking at the numbers, things have slightly turned . Still the heavy majority want him gone . Win a few more games quickly and it could yet turn around. That’s football fans for you ( me included) , it’s all about results ultimately. Win and you’re king , lose and you’re for the Chop .
It’ll be a really tough come back but whilst he’s still in the game he’s still fighting.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 11, 2021 22:28:04 GMT
We’re playing in Division 4 so of course we’re going to be playing some poor sides, including us. It’s just that some sides will probably be less poor than others and being Division 4 players they will be very inconsistent. So one week Walsall May look poor, another week they’ll look good. It happens. I’ll be quite happy to beat these “poor” sides or even draw with them. When we win we need to stop beating ourselves up, the 3 points we gained against Carlisle would be the same as if we were to beat any other team wherever they are in the table. I understand the argument about it but tbh it’s a bit daft. 3 points are 3 points.
UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 12, 2021 5:53:25 GMT
Yes .. even if he becomes a success on the pitch which I very much doubt .. If u go back to the beginning of Barton’s appointment, ur trusting someone to come in and make wholesale changes to the club with the whole playing and coaching set up.. probably ok for a experienced level headed coach ! Anyone in their right mind would not employ someone with a record like Barton’s… He’s been employed on the back of playing in the premier league.. If ur trying to build some stability at this club and take it forward why would u entrust him with anything,the guys a ticking time bomb until the next incident .. it’s just waiting to happen.. can anyone honestly see him here long term ? I can’t rest easy till the guys gone from the club , just chatting to a couple of people in and around the club recently they have seen already what he’s about but everyone knew this to start with ! .. It’s not JBs fault, the club employed him knowing what he’s like why should they be surprised by his erratic behaviour it’s been documented for all to see and still with him!!. But the players playing on Saturday all seemed to be content to put in a shift for the "erratic" manager and that's what really counts at the end of the day (match)? We've employed experienced managers in McGhee and Trollop plus Ward Mk2 who've also been disasterious appointments.
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Post by chilly1883 on Oct 12, 2021 6:06:55 GMT
Keep him till end of season! Unless he’s jailed of course. Will you still be saying that if we lose our next 3 league games, or just pick up the odd point in those games? i personally think we’ll be ok topper, if we can keep Nicholson and Thomas fit, I think we have enough in the squad. Then add another striker in jan, I can’t see L Clarke playing again.
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Post by pucklegas on Oct 12, 2021 10:24:49 GMT
Anybody hear phil Neville bar the mountains sounds like joey 😂😂
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 12, 2021 12:16:40 GMT
Will you still be saying that if we lose our next 3 league games, or just pick up the odd point in those games? i personally think we’ll be ok topper, if we can keep Nicholson and Thomas fit, I think we have enough in the squad. Then add another striker in jan, I can’t see L Clarke playing again. Anyone else wondering if there is any chance that we can offer Nicholson another year... I don't think he would take it as many more clubs in the leagues above us that are closer to home (unless he moved to Bristol) But that would be a real positive for the club I reckon
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Post by baggins on Oct 12, 2021 12:28:08 GMT
Back to the thread topic, at first, no, then recently, yes, however, if the injured come back, and put in a performance like we did Saturday, and maybe, just maybe bang a few in away against Bradford, then it could be it's starting to come together?
And that's my definitive answer.
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Post by bobbyjones on Oct 12, 2021 17:38:29 GMT
Sitting on the fence again. Make your mind up which side your on, IN or OUT. Backing JB at the moment but if he fails to win one of our next 3 games then you have to question where he's taking the club/what progress is he actually making. At least I'm not coming up with some mad conspiracy theories about Barton working under cover for Lansdown! I have never said that the scouse was working for Lansdown, read it on previous comments, I said that I think that Lansdown and Wael are in it together to get rid of us, THE PIRATES, as Lansdown quoted when we were relegated to the non league, people will be asking in about two years who was BRISTOL ROVERS, or have you a bad memory. You said Wael spend 20mill paying off debts and 5 mill on the quarters so what peanuts to Lansdown to get rid of us. UWE going ahead until Wael applied for extras, Hotel and retail outlets. Read what you see and not what you think you see.
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Post by aghast on Oct 12, 2021 17:52:31 GMT
Backing JB at the moment but if he fails to win one of our next 3 games then you have to question where he's taking the club/what progress is he actually making. At least I'm not coming up with some mad conspiracy theories about Barton working under cover for Lansdown! I have never said that the scouse was working for Lansdown, read it on previous comments, I said that I think that Lansdown and Wael are in it together to get rid of us, THE PIRATES, as Lansdown quoted when we were relegated to the non league, people will be asking in about two years who was BRISTOL ROVERS, or have you a bad memory. You said Wael spend 20mill paying off debts and 5 mill on the quarters so what peanuts to Lansdown to get rid of us. UWE going ahead until Wael applied for extras, Hotel and retail outlets. Read what you see and not what you think you see. Dear God.
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