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Post by cj on Oct 11, 2021 9:30:18 GMT
It might be a good time to drop all the negativity and get behind JB and the team. Let’s see how things are at Christmas if there’s no improvement think again?
No chance from me. JB has been awful in every single department of his job role.
I always will.
Will be too late to wait that long.
There won't be so why wait.
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Post by canberragas69 on Oct 11, 2021 9:50:50 GMT
Sorry I'm sure I could find out, but are there dates for his court cases?
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Post by titchthephot on Oct 11, 2021 9:54:50 GMT
Many managers would have split the fanbase such is the ridiculous things that play a big part in our club ie ex city Managers would have split the fanbase even though thy may have done a good job. Tisdale hardly had the backing. But not to the point that so many are publicly stating that they won't go to the Mem until Barton has gone. We have all moaned about previous managers but never in the way that Barton has divided this fanbase. He has added NOTHING to the club but taken away an awful lot.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 11, 2021 9:57:13 GMT
Many managers would have split the fanbase such is the ridiculous things that play a big part in our club ie ex city Managers would have split the fanbase even though thy may have done a good job. Tisdale hardly had the backing. But not to the point that so many are publicly stating that they won't go to the Mem until Barton has gone. We have all moaned about previous managers but never in the way that Barton has divided this fanbase. He has added NOTHING to the club but taken away an awful lot. Also the idea that 'because some managers have split the fanbase for trivial reasons therefore any splitting of the fanbase must be for trivial reasons' is plainly false.
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Post by cj on Oct 11, 2021 10:02:37 GMT
This weekends game will be a good marker as Bradford are only 3 points ahead and won the same amount of games as us. I really hope we build on the win from Saturday with another win this coming Saturday but I can't see a positive result coming. The games we've managed to win so far have been against poor sides (Oldham - who had their chances, Crawley - who dominated the game, Walsall - we only turned up for the last 10 minutes, Carlisle - a poor side who just sacked their manager due to form/results. So this upcoming Bradford game will be very interesting to see how we do. My feet is firmly on the ground.
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Post by justin blue on Oct 11, 2021 10:49:41 GMT
It might be a good time to drop all the negativity and get behind JB and the team. Let’s see how things are at Christmas if there’s no improvement think again?
No chance from me. JB has been awful in every single department of his job role.
I always will.
Will be too late to wait that long.
There won't be so why wait.
I can see it’s not all black and white.
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Post by cj on Oct 11, 2021 10:53:11 GMT
No chance from me. JB has been awful in every single department of his job role.
I always will.
Will be too late to wait that long.
There won't be so why wait.
I can see it’s not all black and white. I like that lol
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Post by playtowin on Oct 11, 2021 11:09:25 GMT
This weekends game will be a good marker as Bradford are only 3 points ahead and won the same amount of games as us. I really hope we build on the win from Saturday with another win this coming Saturday but I can't see a positive result coming. The games we've managed to win so far have been against poor sides (Oldham - who had their chances, Crawley - who dominated the game, Walsall - we only turned up for the last 10 minutes, Carlisle - a poor side who just sacked their manager due to form/results. So this upcoming Bradford game will be very interesting to see how we do. My feet is firmly on the ground. Since Rovers have been at the Mem the away record at Bradford city is... W 0 D 3 L 2 Expecting a win is historically unrealistic. However a win will make JB the most successful manager at rovers playing away to BCFC this century. A defeat would make him part of the unsuccessful 50%. A draw will put him with the majority of previous attempts.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 11, 2021 11:14:03 GMT
cj, Can I ask you how many times have you seen Rovers lose to poor teams? I have on many occasions and with good Managers. You can only beat what is in front of you and if you have ever played football you will know that sometimes a team can be made to look poor by how you organise and play against them. Since we beat them Walsall have drawn against Exeter and beaten Salford City so hardly as poor a team as you are making out. I am not making out that we will beat Bradford this weekend in fact I think a draw would be a good result as I don't get fooled by the fact that they are three points above us. The league table is really nothing to go by at the moment and the only important thing is results against any team be they bottom or top. Three points are three points. Give credit where it is due.
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Post by RD on Oct 11, 2021 11:20:52 GMT
cj, Can I ask you how many times have you seen Rovers lose to poor teams? I have on many occasions and with good Managers. You can only beat what is in front of you and if you have ever played football you will know that sometimes a team can be made to look poor by how you organise and play against them. Since we beat them Walsall have drawn against Exeter and beaten Salford City so hardly as poor a team as you are making out. I am not making out that we will beat Bradford this weekend in fact I think a draw would be a good result as I don't get fooled by the fact that they are three points above us. The league table is really nothing to go by at the moment and the only important thing is results against any team be they bottom or top. Three points are three points. Give credit where it is due. That's kind of missing the point though (and isn't the point cj was making). Yes, it's true - you can only beat what's in front of you. But if what's in front of you is garbage, you cannot read much/anything in to the result. The point is, once we come up against sides that aren't dross, if we can still win those games, we can perhaps start to have some genuine hope that we may not be cr*p and that we might be able to have hopes of finishing higher up the table.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 11, 2021 12:54:07 GMT
The point I was making was that Walsall were not garbage and have a decent home record also how you play can affect the opposition and make them look poor.
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Post by cj on Oct 11, 2021 13:05:24 GMT
cj, Can I ask you how many times have you seen Rovers lose to poor teams? I have on many occasions and with good Managers. You can only beat what is in front of you and if you have ever played football you will know that sometimes a team can be made to look poor by how you organise and play against them. Since we beat them Walsall have drawn against Exeter and beaten Salford City so hardly as poor a team as you are making out. I am not making out that we will beat Bradford this weekend in fact I think a draw would be a good result as I don't get fooled by the fact that they are three points above us. The league table is really nothing to go by at the moment and the only important thing is results against any team be they bottom or top. Three points are three points. Give credit where it is due. That's kind of missing the point though (and isn't the point cj was making). Yes, it's true - you can only beat what's in front of you. But if what's in front of you is garbage, you cannot read much/anything in to the result. The point is, once we come up against sides that aren't dross, if we can still win those games, we can perhaps start to have some genuine hope that we may not be cr*p and that we might be able to have hopes of finishing higher up the table. Exactly Roverdrive.
Steve, Walsall was poor on the day. We were worse apart from the last 10 minutes. Are you suggesting we made Walsall look poor on the day because how we were organised? Is that what happened was it?
Also, perhaps Walsall have since improved after we beat them because that defeat to a poor Rovers side was a kick up the backside they needed to sort themselves out.
And no need to be condescending with me. Try to give a bit of respect. Who knows. You may get some back.
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Post by richie on Oct 11, 2021 13:12:39 GMT
That's kind of missing the point though (and isn't the point cj was making). Yes, it's true - you can only beat what's in front of you. But if what's in front of you is garbage, you cannot read much/anything in to the result. The point is, once we come up against sides that aren't dross, if we can still win those games, we can perhaps start to have some genuine hope that we may not be cr*p and that we might be able to have hopes of finishing higher up the table. Exactly Roverdrive.
Steve, Walsall was poor on the day. We were worse apart from the last 10 minutes. Are you suggesting we made Walsall look poor on the day because how we were organised? Is that what happened was it?
Also, perhaps Walsall have since improved after we beat them because that defeat to a poor Rovers side was a kick up the backside they needed to sort themselves out.
And no need to be condescending with me. Try to give a bit of respect. Who knows. You may get some back.
I thought getting a kick up the backside was frowned upon? Some improvement for Walsall, we only beat them 2 weeks ago
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2021 13:31:47 GMT
I guess we will all have to wait for the result of the Crown V JB (Twice). I said before, I would happily take comfortably staying in the league this season (Which looks like it isn't make believe anymore). Then going again 2022/2023, who ever is in the hot seat.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 11, 2021 13:31:50 GMT
The point I was making was that Walsall were not garbage and have a decent home record also how you play can affect the opposition and make them look poor. Surely the point was that Walsall were garbage when we played them, or we somehow managed to pull off the performance of the season then revert back to standard v Swindon. The next two league games, probably Newport as well, will give us a good idea if JB is making any progress, or that we're only capable of beating the weaker L2 sides.
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Post by cj on Oct 11, 2021 13:38:36 GMT
Exactly Roverdrive.
Steve, Walsall was poor on the day. We were worse apart from the last 10 minutes. Are you suggesting we made Walsall look poor on the day because how we were organised? Is that what happened was it?
Also, perhaps Walsall have since improved after we beat them because that defeat to a poor Rovers side was a kick up the backside they needed to sort themselves out.
And no need to be condescending with me. Try to give a bit of respect. Who knows. You may get some back.
I thought getting a kick up the backside was frowned upon? Some improvement for Walsall, we only beat them 2 weeks ago Who said a kick up the backside was frowned upon? Publicly calling them a team of losers is stupid. Is this what the Walsall manager did after losing to us? No. Did the Walsall manager give them a kick up the backside in the dressing room after the game or in training on the following Monday? Maybe. Or maybe nothing was needed to be said by the manager because the players gave themselves a kick up the backside as could have thought it was going to be an easy game for them seeing our league position and the fact we hadn't won away in nearly a year so therefore have shown since that they are determined to make up for the defeat and show their fans they are sorry for that poor performance. Who knows. But 2 good results since losing to us with a poor performance suggest probably something was said and is now working for them. Signs of a good manager. The right kind of kick up the backside and at the right time is perfectly fine. JB is still relatively inexperienced as a manager and he got it massively wrong last season and so far with his own signings.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 11, 2021 13:38:55 GMT
cj, Sorry if you think I was condescending. I had no intention of that. I have played many times against better teams and we made them look poor by how we played. I actually felt we played well against Walsall and got the breaks we deserved. I think saturday showed when we made the substitutions that with our better players on the pitch rather than the bench we could be a force. Suddenly with Thomas and Nicholson on the pitch it seemed to inspire Whelan and Coutts to actually attack the opposition.
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Post by canberragas69 on Oct 11, 2021 13:50:47 GMT
As no one answered my question, I checked. For anyone else who didn't know, the managerial assault charge will be in court on 25th Nov and the case about the alledged assault on his wife on 15th December.
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Post by canberragas69 on Oct 11, 2021 13:52:00 GMT
Just writing that made me sad for our football club - don't know about others
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Post by cj on Oct 11, 2021 14:12:28 GMT
cj, Sorry if you think I was condescending. I had no intention of that. I have played many times against better teams and we made them look poor by how we played. I actually felt we played well against Walsall and got the breaks we deserved. I think saturday showed when we made the substitutions that with our better players on the pitch rather than the bench we could be a force. Suddenly with Thomas and Nicholson on the pitch it seemed to inspire Whelan and Coutts to actually attack the opposition. That's fair enough Steve. I apologise for taking it the wrong way. If you had said it face to face, it would have been interpreted differently and in the way you meant it to come across. I am sure I am not alone with this but I don't always find it easy to get the right interpretation that was intended when it is written/typed.
When I see teams come up against better teams, especially when away from home, to get a good result, we often see it go a couple of ways.
The better team would be over confident in winning the game and we have seen many times that this make them under perform.
The away team would turn the game into a bit of a scrappy game to drag the better team down to their level. The away team would defend well and make it hard for the better team to break them down and hit on the counter or good use of set pieces.
I believe all 3 played a part and not that we were just well organised and played well. Walsall probably thought that because we hadn't won in nearly a year away from home and not doing well in the league, they probably expected a win and therefore didn't show enough respect and under performed. As they were under performing and in my opinion, we didn't play well, we were able to drag them down lower to our level even though they took the lead. It wasn't a good game. However, due to them not performing well and was only 1-0 up with 10 minutes to go, we took advantage of counter attacks and set pieces and got the goal which boosted us and declined them further and we got the 2nd goal. Walsall were poor on the day. We were just as bad. I don't think we won by being organised and playing well. However, a win is a win. Then Swindon knocked us backwards again. I just hope Bradford don't do the same this coming weekend.
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