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Post by basel on Dec 25, 2021 20:12:36 GMT
I would'nt say "nevermind" to that list,but you can bet your last quid the Conservatives will have their own lists/cards to play against Labour,with an ace or two amongst them. Unless they can somehow prove that it was Labour in government all along for the last decade, I think I'll go with the actual track record when casting my vote. Pun intended. Fair play. I suspect Johnson will lead the Conservatives to another election victory. |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 25, 2021 20:14:21 GMT
Unless they can somehow prove that it was Labour in government all along for the last decade, I think I'll go with the actual track record when casting my vote. Pun intended. Fair play. I suspect Johnson will lead the Conservatives to another election victory. Haha š Tis the season to be jolly š |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 25, 2021 20:37:19 GMT
Much more of this and heāll be gone by Easter š£
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Post by basel on Dec 25, 2021 21:04:13 GMT
Much more of this and heāll be gone by Easter š£ Yep,he's on the ropes. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 26, 2021 12:58:56 GMT
Unless they can somehow prove that it was Labour in government all along for the last decade, I think I'll go with the actual track record when casting my vote. Pun intended. Fair play. I suspect Johnson will lead the Conservatives to another election victory. There are a few signposts where the backbenchers will start looking at regicide. Firstly the polls and his reaction to Coronavirus. If they are consistently behind in the polls and Boris increases measures then he'll be gone by Easter. Then May elections will be a stern test, that could mean he'll be out before the conference season in the Autumn. Should he still be here at the start of 2023 then he may well go the distance, although there is talk of him giving his successor time before the 2024 GE (unless it gets called before then). |
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Post by yattongas on Dec 28, 2021 10:21:40 GMT
Truss is interesting, not looking like the saviour the Tory membership love . Itās almost like the membership are out of touch with the public š
Some new polling with @peterkellner1 in the @guardian measuring the impact of different party leaders on voting intention.
Unprompted ā Con 32 Lab 39
Johnson as leader - Con 29 Lab 41
Sunak as leader - Con 34 Lab 37
Truss as leader - Con 27 Lab 43
Gove as leader ā Con 23 Lab 41
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2021 15:35:03 GMT
Truss is interesting, not looking like the saviour the Tory membership love . Itās almost like the membership are out of touch with the public š Some new polling with @peterkellner1 in the @guardian measuring the impact of different party leaders on voting intention. Unprompted ā Con 32 Lab 39 Johnson as leader - Con 29 Lab 41 Sunak as leader - Con 34 Lab 37 Truss as leader - Con 27 Lab 43 Gove as leader ā Con 23 Lab 41 Sunak is too much an aristocrat to get votes from the plebs, plus he can't go as low depths as Johnson due to his squeaky clean businessman image. Liz truss is being branded as the next Thatcher by ms media, add the fact that she is a former 'celeb', that seems to win over the morons. The Tories are already planning voter ID cards and other dirty tricks to stay in power anyway. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 2, 2022 22:54:26 GMT
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 3, 2022 21:55:08 GMT
What worries me is that the tories are losing because they are sh**, not because Labour are any good.
Also, there is still no viable 3rd option for people like me.
I definitely will never vote Tory, but still can't bring myself to vote Labour again.
Another spoiled ballot beckons I suppose.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 3, 2022 22:31:56 GMT
What worries me is that the tories are losing because they are sh**, not because Labour are any good. Also, there is still no viable 3rd option for people like me. I definitely will never vote Tory, but still can't bring myself to vote Labour again. Another spoiled ballot beckons I suppose. What does Starmer stand for? He just seems to go with public opinion rather than committing to a strong belief. No different to Boris in that respect. |
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Post by Gassy on Jan 3, 2022 22:53:43 GMT
What worries me is that the tories are losing because they are sh**, not because Labour are any good. Also, there is still no viable 3rd option for people like me. I definitely will never vote Tory, but still can't bring myself to vote Labour again. Another spoiled ballot beckons I suppose. What does Starmer stand for? He just seems to go with public opinion rather than committing to a strong belief. No different to Boris in that respect. I think in a way heās right to. Whilst we donāt know what he stands for yet, all he needs to do is bash Boris about in PM questions and watch the fireworks. He needs to win the middle ground and stay away from Brexit right now, if he shows too much hand then too many people will write him off. Election a while to go still, but I expect some updates soon. If Boris goes and a suitable candidate comes in though, then I expect him to up his game |
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Post by axegas on Jan 4, 2022 0:00:08 GMT
Itās funny because all Starmer and opposition politicians ever do is give speeches, write articles, ask questions in PMQās and commons pertaining to their views. If you google search Starmer, you get about 10 articles reporting on speeches heās made that outline his beliefs and vision for leading the country perfectly well. Itās not hard to do some independent research and see what each politician and each party believes in.
Yet, the average person doesnāt really see that. I guess they only see the TV headlines, or the front pages of news outlets or the broadsheets. COVID dominates them at the moment and on that issue all Labour can really do is support the vaccine roll out, call for more support for business and criticise the Tories for Covid restriction breaches. If you only look at it superficially, I guess your question is only answered in election season when manifestoās make the news and leaders stage their debates.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 4, 2022 0:17:01 GMT
There is an adage in politics that governments lose elections rather than oppositions win. Couple that with Napoleon's phrase "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" then Starmer is doing the right thing electorally.
It's still two years to the next election and I suspect that he's keeping his options open. The front line over the next couple of years will be health, finance and law & order/immigration. He's moved some new faces into those briefs recently, notably Yvette Cooper into Shadow Home Secretary.
Where he will struggle is with the post Brexit debate, he can't suggest changes for fear of reopening wounds especially in the Northern Red Wall constituencies. That's also where the likes of Lisa Nandy and Andy Burnham will become more prominent so that Labour isn't labelled a metropolitan party.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 4, 2022 0:31:48 GMT
Poll commissioned by the Mail on Sunday: "SirĀ Keir StarmerĀ has won votersā hearts back in the Red Wall, a new poll suggests, while a majority doubtĀ Boris JohnsonĀ will be Prime Minister this time next year. The Deltapoll survey of the 57 constituencies theĀ ToriesĀ gained in the 2019 General Election, most of which could be considered part of the Red Wall, found that 38% of voters agreed Sir Keir would make the best PM, while 33% backed Mr Johnson. The poll, for the Mail on Sunday (MoS), also putĀ LabourĀ in the lead when it came to the voting intention in those seats (49% vs 33%). Meanwhile, it suggested Labour was ahead by five points nationwide (40% vs 35%). The newspaper said if the results were repeated in a General Election it could cost the Conservatives more than 100 seats." www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/keir-starmer-boris-johnson-labour-tories-mail-on-sunday-b974602.html?utm_source=taboola&utm_medium=Feed |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 4, 2022 7:46:22 GMT
Itās funny because all Starmer and opposition politicians ever do is give speeches, write articles, ask questions in PMQās and commons pertaining to their views. If you google search Starmer, you get about 10 articles reporting on speeches heās made that outline his beliefs and vision for leading the country perfectly well. Itās not hard to do some independent research and see what each politician and each party believes in. Yet, the average person doesnāt really see that. I guess they only see the TV headlines, or the front pages of news outlets or the broadsheets. COVID dominates them at the moment and on that issue all Labour can really do is support the vaccine roll out, call for more support for business and criticise the Tories for Covid restriction breaches. If you only look at it superficially, I guess your question is only answered in election season when manifestoās make the news and leaders stage their debates. Yes but that isn't that the problem. That we have to go out of our way to find out what they believe in. A good politician will be clear with what they want and get it across. Tories won the last election so easily by having a clear objective: Get Brexit done. It might have been a lot of bullshit but their message was clear. I don't have any faith in Boris or Keir. The trouble is that voting for any other is pretty much a wasted vote, however you pull that apart. North Somerset is always a very strong tory stronghold anyway. I class myself the right side of left and the left side of right. |
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Post by yattongas on Jan 4, 2022 10:04:18 GMT
There is an adage in politics that governments lose elections rather than oppositions win. Couple that with Napoleon's phrase "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake" then Starmer is doing the right thing electorally. It's still two years to the next election and I suspect that he's keeping his options open. The front line over the next couple of years will be health, finance and law & order/immigration. He's moved some new faces into those briefs recently, notably Yvette Cooper into Shadow Home Secretary. Where he will struggle is with the post Brexit debate, he can't suggest changes for fear of reopening wounds especially in the Northern Red Wall constituencies. That's also where the likes of Lisa Nandy and Andy Burnham will become more prominent so that Labour isn't labelled a metropolitan party. With Brexit I think heās gotta let people see and feel the pain itās going to cause before slowly reversing it. When itās obvious weāre falling behind the rest of Europe people will start to question it moreā¦. Some have already started but others are still in denial. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 5, 2022 9:12:45 GMT
At the moment I'd bet on Sunak or Truss. Of the obvious candidates I only see Sunak as any good. Not far off. š I've long thought Liz Truss would get the job due to her popularity amongst the grass roots, we'll see later today. |
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Post by baggins on Sept 5, 2022 11:54:24 GMT
At the moment I'd bet on Sunak or Truss. Of the obvious candidates I only see Sunak as any good. Not far off. š I've long thought Liz Truss would get the job due to her popularity amongst the grass roots, we'll see later today. Unfortunately the grass roots are still held up in a lorry waiting for passport checks. |
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Post by DrFaustus on Sept 5, 2022 20:04:54 GMT
At the moment I'd bet on Sunak or Truss. Of the obvious candidates I only see Sunak as any good. Not far off. š I've long thought Liz Truss would get the job due to her popularity amongst the grass roots, we'll see later today. She's thicker than a submarine door. God help us. |
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Post by francegas on Sept 5, 2022 20:56:32 GMT
Not far off. š I've long thought Liz Truss would get the job due to her popularity amongst the grass roots, we'll see later today. She's thicker than a submarine door. God help us. I suppose you graduated from one of the top UK universities with a PhD in quantum physics. If you did just maybe you could question her intelligence. |
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