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Post by axegas on Dec 12, 2021 15:18:19 GMT
First of all congrats to Verstappen. I think he’s secured 17 podiums this season which is staggering, especially for someone with his relative inexperience in F1. Phenomenal racer who’s fully deserving of the title when all things said and done. It will be his first of many I’m sure.
I’m also a little bit relieved that the Mercedes stranglehold over F1 has been broken somewhat. I think it’s only good for the motosport as a whole, albeit if it’s to Red Bull who have been at the top of the pecking order for even longer than Mercedes.
However, that was not a ‘great’ race. A memorable one definitely. Certainly not a patch on the racing in Saudi Arabia.
Completely ruined by two FIA decisions. The one early on in the race, where Verstappen made a legitimate move on Hamilton and then Hamilton was able to retain the significant advantage he held by cutting the corner. (He should have cut the corner to avoid collision but not retained a two second lead in doing so)
Then more importantly the decision to inform the lapped cars last second to move out the way of Verstappen, to allow him to have a lap of racing right at the death.
Now my issue with that isn’t that it’s inconsistent. That’s normal procedure in F1, not a rule as such but standard procedure. However the way it was communicated by the FIA that they weren’t going to remove the lapped cars and the context of both the race and the world championship being decided in 4 laps of racing which Hamilton was quite clearly at an advantage.
I’m not angry at Red Bull, they played race strategy very well and as it has been pointed out Verstappen still had to pass Hamilton which was not a given, even if he was on much fresher softer tires.
Just angry at the FIA for playing god there and clumsily gifting the race to the slower car. Race safety obviously has to be paramount so Latifi’s car can be cleared from the track in a way that prevents accidents and loss of life.
However if they can’t communicate to Hamilton that there’s going to further racing in that situation so he can pit, then is there much point of further racing happening? Hamilton didn’t pit because the FIA intentionally led him and Mercedes to believe that either there would be lapped cars between him and Verstappen or there wouldn’t be further racing and pitting would surrender him track position pointlessly.
Anyway just a rant that I wanted to get off my chest there as someone who’s followed the twists and turns of this season up until this race. So disappointed to see it end like that. Congrats again to Verstappen. He can’t control race decisions and had one unfairly ruled against him earlier on in the race.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 12, 2021 15:32:34 GMT
If it had ended behind the safety car it would have been a bullshit end to the season.
Right call to try their best to allow them to race. Might not have been implemented well and incredibly harsh but how much harsher would it have been for Hamilton to have been gifted the win behind the safety car.
Red Bull gambled on tyres and it paid off.
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Post by brads213 on Dec 12, 2021 15:36:47 GMT
At last Max got the run of the green long may it continue
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Post by axegas on Dec 12, 2021 15:42:41 GMT
If it had ended behind the safety car it would have been a bullshit end to the season. Right call to try their best to allow them to race. Might not have been implemented well and incredibly harsh but how much harsher would it have been for Hamilton to have been gifted the win behind the safety car. Red Bull gambled on tyres and it paid off. It would have been a sh** way to end the season I agree G+E and I agree with you that shouldn’t have happened. What should have happened is that they should have restarted the last lap with the lapped cars in between Verstappen and Hamilton. Hamilton deserved that advantage as he gained it with some phenomenal driving to keep the 15 seconds gap with Verstappen despite his tyres being a pit stop slower, showing that he had the faster car and good tyre management. There’s no specific regulation that says that can’t happen, because the regulations are intentionally vague to begin with. It’s something that happens regularly under wet conditions too. Fair play to Red Bull for gambling, as I said great strategy from them all race. It just was very unfair outcome that the FIA arbitrarily imposed when their own regulations don’t even say they have to. I think I would be a lot more happier if the regulations had said they had to remove lapped cars. Then albeit it would have been an unfortunate ending, at least the governing body would have had their hands behind their backs rather than the opportunity to decide the race one way or another. |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 12, 2021 15:51:04 GMT
If it had ended behind the safety car it would have been a bullshit end to the season. Right call to try their best to allow them to race. Might not have been implemented well and incredibly harsh but how much harsher would it have been for Hamilton to have been gifted the win behind the safety car. Red Bull gambled on tyres and it paid off. It would have been a sh** way to end the season I agree G+E and I agree with you that shouldn’t have happened. What should have happened is that they should have restarted the last lap with the lapped cars in between Verstappen and Hamilton. Hamilton deserved that advantage as he gained it with some phenomenal driving to keep the 15 seconds gap with Verstappen despite his tyres being a pit stop slower, showing that he had the faster car and good tyre management. There’s no specific regulation that says that can’t happen, because the regulations are intentionally vague to begin with. It’s something that happens regularly under wet conditions too. Fair play to Red Bull for gambling, as I said great strategy from them all race. It just was very unfair outcome that the FIA arbitrarily imposed when their own regulations don’t even say they have to. I think I would be a lot more happier if the regulations had said they had to remove lapped cars. Then albeit it would have been an unfortunate ending, at least the governing body would have had their hands behind their backs rather than the opportunity to decide the race one way or another. I think allowing them to race wheel to wheel in the last lap was a victory for the sport. Mercedes could have pitted as soon as the safety car came out. They didn’t know how long the race would last if/once it was resumed. Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes’ have benefited massively from loopholes in the rules over the years. Fixing Hamiltons car under a red at Silverstone? Then going on to win the race? What wouldn’t be a victory for the sport would be the outcome of a fantastic season being thrown under an appeal. That said, that’s why the driver doesn’t get the trophy at the end of the race, but at a ceremony in a few weeks time. Hopefully in future seasons they’ll be a bit more consistent in decision making. |
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Post by axegas on Dec 12, 2021 16:06:29 GMT
It would have been a sh** way to end the season I agree G+E and I agree with you that shouldn’t have happened. What should have happened is that they should have restarted the last lap with the lapped cars in between Verstappen and Hamilton. Hamilton deserved that advantage as he gained it with some phenomenal driving to keep the 15 seconds gap with Verstappen despite his tyres being a pit stop slower, showing that he had the faster car and good tyre management. There’s no specific regulation that says that can’t happen, because the regulations are intentionally vague to begin with. It’s something that happens regularly under wet conditions too. Fair play to Red Bull for gambling, as I said great strategy from them all race. It just was very unfair outcome that the FIA arbitrarily imposed when their own regulations don’t even say they have to. I think I would be a lot more happier if the regulations had said they had to remove lapped cars. Then albeit it would have been an unfortunate ending, at least the governing body would have had their hands behind their backs rather than the opportunity to decide the race one way or another. I think allowing them to race wheel to wheel in the last lap was a victory for the sport. Mercedes could have pitted as soon as the safety car came out. They didn’t know how long the race would last if/once it was resumed. Lewis Hamilton and Mercedes’ have benefited massively from loopholes in the rules over the years. Fixing Hamiltons car under a red at Silverstone? Then going on to win the race? What wouldn’t be a victory for the sport would be the outcome of a fantastic season being thrown under an appeal. That said, that’s why the driver doesn’t get the trophy at the end of the race, but at a ceremony in a few weeks time. Hopefully in future seasons they’ll be a bit more consistent in decision making. If Mercedes pitted when the safety car comes out they lose track position to Max with no guarantees that they resume with so few laps remaining. Personally I felt like they made the right decision. I kinda felt like they should have pitted Lewis at the same time as Max during the virtual safety car earlier on when Giovinnazzi span off. However given the fact that Verstappen was struggling to catch up to Lewis up until the next safety car, obviously it was the right decision at that moment. I think if it’s a victory for F1, it’s a shallow one. As now a lot more attention will now be devoted to the FIA’s rule making and Mercedes subsequent appeal, when it was such a fantastic season of racing between Lewis and Max that had a lot of racing already like the last lap of this one. You’re completely right to mention the dubious decisions that have gone Mercedes way over the years. I almost think it’s why I’m so angry at this one because I genuinely don’t know another motosport or another sport in general that is so heavily impacted by the governing body whilst it’s still ongoing. The only thing that was fair about today was that Redbull and Mercedes split the Drivers and Constructors trophies. Felt a bit like justice. Still gutted for Kimi that he had to retire in his last race. |
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Post by axegas on Dec 12, 2021 16:09:14 GMT
Also just wanted to mention what a fantastic season Lando Norris had this year. Somerset has produced another fine young racer. I think he’s got a bright future ahead of him in F1.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 12, 2021 16:09:50 GMT
Had a feeling the safety car aspect was going to come up - surprised that they didn’t pick this up in the commentary.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 12, 2021 16:29:11 GMT
I don't understand how the officials can state that no lapped cars could overtake then, with about 10 seconds before the safety car came in, suddenly change the rules, meaning even the lapped cars only just had enough time to pass the front two.
It seems to me that was always the officials plan but they didn't want to forewarn Mercedes so they could inform Hamilton. It seems they like to play God as the decision on the first corner incident looked dodgy as well.
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Post by Hudson1883 on Dec 12, 2021 17:20:35 GMT
A quite farcical end to a great season, the FIA seemingly disregarding the previous 57 laps & the rule book, in order to have the two title contenders finish the last half lap wheel to wheel from a crawling start. A ‘race’ that was sold down the river purely for 30 seconds ‘entertainment’.
I’m sure this won’t be the end of matters, unfortunately for Red Bull and Verstappen it’s a tainted title.
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Post by axegas on Dec 12, 2021 17:31:51 GMT
A quite farcical end to a great season, the FIA seemingly disregarding the previous 57 laps & the rule book, in order to have the two title contenders finish the last half lap wheel to wheel from a crawling start. A ‘race’ that was sold down the river purely for 30 seconds ‘entertainment’. I’m sure this won’t be the end of matters, unfortunately for Red Bull and Verstappen it’s a tainted title. This wasn’t mentioned on the commentary but from I’ve picked up from afterwards is that the legal issue revolves around the fact the FIA said that the lapped cars between Verstappen and Hamilton could unlap themselves however the three lapped cars behind Verstappen weren’t allowed to unlap themselves as the rules state they should have been able to as the race clark instructed. Obviously had they unlapped themselves, there wouldn’t have been a full lap for Hamilton and Verstappen to race each other. So basically the FIA twisted their own rules mid race to allow for a finale where one driver was at a clear disadvantage. This is what will go to CAS to decide and it’s hard not think that Mercedes have a compelling case. It’s a complete farce. |
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Post by Hudson1883 on Dec 12, 2021 17:44:27 GMT
A quite farcical end to a great season, the FIA seemingly disregarding the previous 57 laps & the rule book, in order to have the two title contenders finish the last half lap wheel to wheel from a crawling start. A ‘race’ that was sold down the river purely for 30 seconds ‘entertainment’. I’m sure this won’t be the end of matters, unfortunately for Red Bull and Verstappen it’s a tainted title. This wasn’t mentioned on the commentary but from I’ve picked up from afterwards is that the legal issue revolves around the fact the FIA said that the lapped cars between Verstappen and Hamilton could unlap themselves however the three lapped cars behind Verstappen weren’t allowed to unlap themselves as the rules state they should have been able to as the race clark instructed. Obviously had they unlapped themselves, there wouldn’t have been a full lap for Hamilton and Verstappen to race each other. So basically the FIA twisted their own rules mid race to allow for a finale where one driver was at a clear disadvantage. This is what will go to CAS to decide and it’s hard not think that Mercedes have a compelling case. It’s a complete farce. Exactly as I understand it. For Michael Masi to speak to Toto Wolf like he did “It’s called racing” is the measure of the man and the way he seems to crave control of the outcome of races as he sees fit. The ‘racing’ in question was the previous 56 laps where Hamilton drove a superb race and as Horner himself admitted with 10 laps to go, Red Bull were not quick enough on the day and just couldn’t compete. I still cannot believe this was thrown away for the sake of some kind of shoot out that should never have been allowed. As for the race ending under safety car, if that’s how it goes that’s how it goes. Far from ideal but you cannot make things up as you go along. Sadly, I fear all the interest and popularity F1 gained from last weeks race is now lost after this shambolic and farcical end to a top season. |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 12, 2021 20:52:10 GMT
Honestly Masi has to go and the way F1 is stewarded needs a complete overhaul. The decision making has been awful for the last few years, for those who're big fans - think back to Austria a few years ago when Verstappen forced LeClerc off the track on the last lap, this was the new precedent that they set on changing rules as they please.
I feel for Lewis, I really do. He drove the absolute perfect race and had it in the bag. He was going to be the deserved champion. Then the safety car happens and sure its yet more luck for Max in this race, but it isn't the first time this scenario has happened. But f*ck me to only select 5 cars only to unlap themselves, is genuinely unreal. It's not corruption or whatever fools are saying online, its just Masi being a sh** race director and ultimately fixing the finish. This isn't an American TV show, this is elite level sport.
I understand G&E's point that it would have been sh*t to end under the SC, but thats what should have happened as per the rule book and as is safe. The referee's job is not to look at incidents with the view of how it effects the championship, but to look at it on it's own merit. Either the race ends under SC (as happened last season) or you continue in the position that they're in. There is no alternative, we can't just be making rules up as we go along. It would have been sh*t to end under an SC, but if it wasn't the last race of the season, it would have. The race director simply cannot take things into his own hands to hope for an exciting end, especially when the tables are so unevenly weighted at that point.
Don't forget, btw, that in Masi fixing Max behind Lewis - Max had no competition from 3rd place as 3rd was way back in the queue. Unlikely that anything would have changed, but this sums up the joke of a decision that this was.
Mercedes are absolutely right to appeal the decision, it won't matter though - the FIA & Masi f*cked up and they will never admit their wrong doing. I also think it would be unfair to reverse Max & Lewis after as well, Max did nothing wrong and there is technically no guarantee Lewis would have finished. Honestly, I'd make them race again (which will NEVER happen). The best Mercedes can hope for is a void of the race, which still gifts Max the WDC, but at least it would lead to the FIA admitting they are wrong and hopefully to a restructure.
If they did actually cancel it then think back to Belgium when Masi gifted Max the win because of the rain, which would effectively hand him the championship. Unreal.
This whole thing has left a really sour taste in my mouth and ruined F1 for me. I'm sure I'll calm down soon and look forward to next season, but right now I have no interest in spending my time and money on F1 without change.
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Post by Gassy on Dec 12, 2021 20:55:11 GMT
A quite farcical end to a great season, the FIA seemingly disregarding the previous 57 laps & the rule book, in order to have the two title contenders finish the last half lap wheel to wheel from a crawling start. A ‘race’ that was sold down the river purely for 30 seconds ‘entertainment’. I’m sure this won’t be the end of matters, unfortunately for Red Bull and Verstappen it’s a tainted title. This wasn’t mentioned on the commentary but from I’ve picked up from afterwards is that the legal issue revolves around the fact the FIA said that the lapped cars between Verstappen and Hamilton could unlap themselves however the three lapped cars behind Verstappen weren’t allowed to unlap themselves as the rules state they should have been able to as the race clark instructed. Obviously had they unlapped themselves, there wouldn’t have been a full lap for Hamilton and Verstappen to race each other. So basically the FIA twisted their own rules mid race to allow for a finale where one driver was at a clear disadvantage. This is what will go to CAS to decide and it’s hard not think that Mercedes have a compelling case. It’s a complete farce. Apparently, according to a mate who's in karting, the CAS will only get involved in things to do with doping. The appeal from Merc will go to the FIA Court of Appeal. So expect nothing. |
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Post by Hudson1883 on Dec 12, 2021 20:57:42 GMT
Honestly Masi has to go and the way F1 is stewarded needs a complete overhaul. The decision making has been awful for the last few years, for those who're big fans - think back to Austria a few years ago when Verstappen forced LeClerc off the track on the last lap, this was the new precedent that they set on changing rules as they please. I feel for Lewis, I really do. He drove the absolute perfect race and had it in the bag. He was going to be the deserved champion. Then the safety car happens and sure its yet more luck for Max in this race, but it isn't the first time this scenario has happened. But f*ck me to only select 5 cars only to unlap themselves, is genuinely unreal. It's not corruption or whatever fools are saying online, its just Masi being a sh** race director and ultimately fixing the finish. This isn't an American TV show, this is elite level sport. I understand G&E's point that it would have been sh*t to end under the SC, but thats what should have happened as per the rule book and as is safe. The referee's job is not to look at incidents with the view of who it effects the championship, but to look at it on it's own merit. Either the race ends under SC (as happened last season) or you continue in the position that they're in. There is no alternative, we can't just be making rules up as we go along. It would have been sh*t to end under an SC, but if it wasn't the last race of the season, it would have. The race director simply cannot take things into his own hands to hope for an exciting end, especially when the tables are so unevenly weighted at that point. Don't forget, btw, that in Masi fixing Max behind Lewis - Max had no competition from 3rd place as 3rd was way back in the queue. Unlikely that anything would have changed, but this sums up the joke of a decision that this was. Mercedes are absolutely right to appeal the decision, it won't matter though - the FIA & Masi f*cked up and they will never admit their wrong doing. I also think it would be unfair to reverse Max & Lewis after as well, Max did nothing wrong and there is technically no guarantee Lewis would have finished. Honestly, I'd make them race again (which will NEVER happen). The best Mercedes can hope for is a void of the race, which still gifts Max the WDC, but at least it would lead to the FIA admitting they are wrong and hopefully to a restructure. If they did actually cancel it then think back to Belgium when Masi gifted Max the win because of the rain, which would effectively hand him the championship. Unreal. This whole thing has left a really sour taste in my mouth and ruined F1 for me. I'm sure I'll calm down soon and look forward to next season, but right now I have no interest in spending my time and money on F1 without change. You would also think a man in Masi’s position would know that one driver on brand new tyres Vs a driver on tyres that had done 45+ laps is no level playing field for a last lap sprint. The “It’s called racing” quip really must have twisted the knife for Toto. It is still unbelievable the guy has chosen at the very end of the race season to disregard the entire weekend’s events in some bizarre pursuit of an ‘epic finish’. |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 12, 2021 20:59:26 GMT
Honestly Masi has to go and the way F1 is stewarded needs a complete overhaul. The decision making has been awful for the last few years, for those who're big fans - think back to Austria a few years ago when Verstappen forced LeClerc off the track on the last lap, this was the new precedent that they set on changing rules as they please. I feel for Lewis, I really do. He drove the absolute perfect race and had it in the bag. He was going to be the deserved champion. Then the safety car happens and sure its yet more luck for Max in this race, but it isn't the first time this scenario has happened. But f*ck me to only select 5 cars only to unlap themselves, is genuinely unreal. It's not corruption or whatever fools are saying online, its just Masi being a sh** race director and ultimately fixing the finish. This isn't an American TV show, this is elite level sport. I understand G&E's point that it would have been sh*t to end under the SC, but thats what should have happened as per the rule book and as is safe. The referee's job is not to look at incidents with the view of who it effects the championship, but to look at it on it's own merit. Either the race ends under SC (as happened last season) or you continue in the position that they're in. There is no alternative, we can't just be making rules up as we go along. It would have been sh*t to end under an SC, but if it wasn't the last race of the season, it would have. The race director simply cannot take things into his own hands to hope for an exciting end, especially when the tables are so unevenly weighted at that point. Don't forget, btw, that in Masi fixing Max behind Lewis - Max had no competition from 3rd place as 3rd was way back in the queue. Unlikely that anything would have changed, but this sums up the joke of a decision that this was. Mercedes are absolutely right to appeal the decision, it won't matter though - the FIA & Masi f*cked up and they will never admit their wrong doing. I also think it would be unfair to reverse Max & Lewis after as well, Max did nothing wrong and there is technically no guarantee Lewis would have finished. Honestly, I'd make them race again (which will NEVER happen). The best Mercedes can hope for is a void of the race, which still gifts Max the WDC, but at least it would lead to the FIA admitting they are wrong and hopefully to a restructure. If they did actually cancel it then think back to Belgium when Masi gifted Max the win because of the rain, which would effectively hand him the championship. Unreal. This whole thing has left a really sour taste in my mouth and ruined F1 for me. I'm sure I'll calm down soon and look forward to next season, but right now I have no interest in spending my time and money on F1 without change. You would also think a man in Masi’s position would know that one driver on brand new tyres Vs a driver on tyres that had done 45+ laps is no level playing field for a last lap sprint. The “It’s called racing” quip really must have twisted the knife for Toto. It is still unbelievable the guy has chosen at the very end of the race season to disregard the entire weekend’s events in some bizarre pursuit of an ‘epic finish’. If he wants a grandstand finish the red flag it and let them restart ffs. Just look at the Giovinazzi incident, it actually took him 45 seconds to bring out the VSC. It was clear from the beginning ffs it was needed. The bloke is incapable. Makes L2 referees look world class tbh |
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Post by bridgwatergas on Dec 12, 2021 21:02:49 GMT
If it had ended behind the safety car it would have been a bullshit end to the season. Right call to try their best to allow them to race. Might not have been implemented well and incredibly harsh but how much harsher would it have been for Hamilton to have been gifted the win behind the safety car. Red Bull gambled on tyres and it paid off. It would have been a sh** way to end the season I agree G+E and I agree with you that shouldn’t have happened. What should have happened is that they should have restarted the last lap with the lapped cars in between Verstappen and Hamilton. Hamilton deserved that advantage as he gained it with some phenomenal driving to keep the 15 seconds gap with Verstappen despite his tyres being a pit stop slower, showing that he had the faster car and good tyre management. There’s no specific regulation that says that can’t happen, because the regulations are intentionally vague to begin with. It’s something that happens regularly under wet conditions too. Fair play to Red Bull for gambling, as I said great strategy from them all race. It just was very unfair outcome that the FIA arbitrarily imposed when their own regulations don’t even say they have to. I think I would be a lot more happier if the regulations had said they had to remove lapped cars. Then albeit it would have been an unfortunate ending, at least the governing body would have had their hands behind their backs rather than the opportunity to decide the race one way or another. I think it was the right call in the end as Hamilton gained an unfair advantage on lap one to keep the lead and should have given the place up. He didn't give back the advantage he gained as well so in the end two poor decisions evened themselves up. Red Bull gambled and it paid off as it. There have been many poor decisions from stewards this season and a lack of consistency with penalties handed out,something we complain about in league 2. It's been one of the best F1 seasons in many a year and drama until the end is what we all love about sport. Roll on 2022 and hopefully McLaren and Lando can take another step forward. |
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Post by Gassy on Dec 12, 2021 21:08:14 GMT
It would have been a sh** way to end the season I agree G+E and I agree with you that shouldn’t have happened. What should have happened is that they should have restarted the last lap with the lapped cars in between Verstappen and Hamilton. Hamilton deserved that advantage as he gained it with some phenomenal driving to keep the 15 seconds gap with Verstappen despite his tyres being a pit stop slower, showing that he had the faster car and good tyre management. There’s no specific regulation that says that can’t happen, because the regulations are intentionally vague to begin with. It’s something that happens regularly under wet conditions too. Fair play to Red Bull for gambling, as I said great strategy from them all race. It just was very unfair outcome that the FIA arbitrarily imposed when their own regulations don’t even say they have to. I think I would be a lot more happier if the regulations had said they had to remove lapped cars. Then albeit it would have been an unfortunate ending, at least the governing body would have had their hands behind their backs rather than the opportunity to decide the race one way or another. I think it was the right call in the end as Hamilton gained an unfair advantage on lap one to keep the lead and should have given the place up. He didn't give back the advantage he gained as well so in the end to poor decisions evened themselves up. Red Bull gambled and it paid off as it. There have been many poor decisions from stewards this season and a lack of consistency with penalties handed out,something we complain about in league 2. It's been one of the best F1 seasons in many a year and drama until the end is what we all love about sport. Roll on 2022 and hopefully McLaren and Lando can take another step forward. I agree that Hamilton did gain an advantage at the beginning, although apparently he did lift off to close the gap (not sure I saw that though). Never would have happened if Max didn't force him off the track, as usual though. As for evening themselves up, thats a silly comment. It's like me stepping on your foot and you shoot me in the face and saying, 'well, it's 1-1 now right?'. |
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Post by Hudson1883 on Dec 12, 2021 21:13:06 GMT
The clear disregard of the rules involving lapped cars really will leave the bitterest taste. Quite clearly/blatantly, Masi informs everyone to move aside & allow Max to line up side by side with Hamilton.
As farcical as it comes.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Dec 12, 2021 21:13:53 GMT
I think it was the right call in the end as Hamilton gained an unfair advantage on lap one to keep the lead and should have given the place up. He didn't give back the advantage he gained as well so in the end to poor decisions evened themselves up. Red Bull gambled and it paid off as it. There have been many poor decisions from stewards this season and a lack of consistency with penalties handed out,something we complain about in league 2. It's been one of the best F1 seasons in many a year and drama until the end is what we all love about sport. Roll on 2022 and hopefully McLaren and Lando can take another step forward. I agree that Hamilton did gain an advantage at the beginning, although apparently he did lift off to close the gap (not sure I saw that though). Never would have happened if Max didn't force him off the track, as usual though. As for evening themselves up, thats a silly comment. It's like me stepping on your foot and you shoot me in the face and saying, 'well, it's 1-1 now right?'. It was an aggressive move by MV but at that same corner later in the race 2 drivers were involved on the same move and both stayed on track as one yielded. That was never going to happen in the LH MV as both were fighting for a title and personally I don't blame either of them. But the rules stated he went off track and gained an unfair advantage so has to give the place back. He never gave back the advantage he gained even though the stewards said he did. |
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