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Post by Okebournegas on Feb 12, 2022 19:29:53 GMT
A front four of Nicholson Evans Thomas Goal scorer Is good enough for this league Have we got the scorer? We are not far off, just need Loft or Clarke to fire some late magic….I reckon Leon could be the man, would love it for him to be fit for the run in…. UTG I don’t think leon is ever going to be totally fit again sadly. Same here mate , comes on as a sub against Scunthorpe, scores and then goes awol again , also seem to have another injury prone striker with Loft , apparently a minor knock but still out when we need a striker the most.
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Post by Gassy on Feb 12, 2022 19:31:26 GMT
Fair point, but a lot of other teams around us with games to play too. Of course it isn't actually over, but IMO we're too far off to make a challenge and we're never able to actually close the gap. We keep hoping for players to come back but just as they do, another 2/3 go off injured again. We need top 3 form to make the play offs realistically and we just haven't shown that level of consistency all season really. Granted we hit some form recently, but we were also playing Rochdale, Hartlepool, Swindon, Scunthorpe and Walsall. I agree and April looks particularly tough with a run of games that goes Tranmere Salford Port Vale FGR I don’t think at any point this season we have looked a promotion side. Regardless of who the manager is our results haven’t been good enough when you consider the investment that’s been made. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion of course and that’s just mine Thats a really tough set of games. We're also potentially going to have to replace the following this summer: Jaakola (?) Connolly Taylor Brown Harries (?) Thomas E. Anderson Nicholson Evans Spence Whelan (?) Rodman (?) Clarke Pitman Thats an entire squad in itself and no doubt we'll then need another season to 'gel' again?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 19:31:44 GMT
It is when you’re chasing the play offs and already playing catch up. Yes but it's not dead yet. We have improved and the strongest we have been all season. We may well fall short but to write the season off already is premature. I think it’s just being realistic tbh. At no point have we looked convincing enough to be a side that will go up. If current form over the last 6 continues we will finish on 63 points which will seen us finish around ten points adrift of the top play offs based on seasonal averages. Of course it COULD happen but I think it’s improbable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 19:35:07 GMT
I agree and April looks particularly tough with a run of games that goes Tranmere Salford Port Vale FGR I don’t think at any point this season we have looked a promotion side. Regardless of who the manager is our results haven’t been good enough when you consider the investment that’s been made. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion of course and that’s just mine Thats a really tough set of games. We're also potentially going to have to replace the following this summer: Jaakola (?) Connolly Taylor Brown Harries (?) Thomas E. Anderson Nicholson Evans Spence Whelan (?) Rodman (?) Clarke Pitman Thats an entire squad in itself and no doubt we'll then need another season to 'gel' again? February is still not that easy, Sutton and Exeter in the top 7 and Stevenage seem better under Tisdale who’s a crafty operator in league 2 This summer requires a rebuild either way as the current squad isn’t strong enough for league one if we do manage to get up and if we stay down then we lose a lot of our better players.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 12, 2022 19:35:39 GMT
Yes but it's not dead yet. We have improved and the strongest we have been all season. We may well fall short but to write the season off already is premature. I think it’s just being realistic tbh. At no point have we looked convincing enough to be a side that will go up. If current form over the last 6 continues we will finish on 63 points which will seen us finish around ten points adrift of the top play offs based on seasonal averages. Of course it COULD happen but I think it’s improbable. and if you go on the past 8 games (4 home, 4 away) we would have 72 points. It is improbable but far from impossible. I genuinely believe we have a squad of players who have the ability to be a lot higher, the players are playing for the shirt and the fans believe in the team. We have had so many hiccups in the first half of the season and have improved throughout the season. Give us a chance, we might just surprise you.
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Post by Okebournegas on Feb 12, 2022 19:36:20 GMT
I must admit I wrote us off after the Oldham game , utter crap performance with no real leader , can’t defend properly without relying on the young loanee Taylor and we simply don’t score enough goals. Oldham was up there with one of the worst games I’ve seen us play , The problem is , is we all know a performance like that is always around the corner. We never capitalise when the opportunity arises , take today for example , we’ll on top for the majority of the second half and we don’t even test the keeper , better sides in this division would of buried Mansfield today but we don’t , I think we are simply just a bang average league two side where the manager seems to of wasted a decent budget on a disjointed squad , don’t forget , he’s now had a couple of transfer windows and this is his team , no one else’s
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Post by Okebournegas on Feb 12, 2022 19:37:11 GMT
I agree and April looks particularly tough with a run of games that goes Tranmere Salford Port Vale FGR I don’t think at any point this season we have looked a promotion side. Regardless of who the manager is our results haven’t been good enough when you consider the investment that’s been made. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion of course and that’s just mine Thats a really tough set of games. We're also potentially going to have to replace the following this summer: Jaakola (?) Connolly Taylor Brown Harries (?) Thomas E. Anderson Nicholson Evans Spence Whelan (?) Rodman (?) Clarke Pitman Thats an entire squad in itself and no doubt we'll then need another season to 'gel' again? Spot on 👍
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 12, 2022 19:37:27 GMT
Season is far from over yet. It's harder after the last few results. Win on Tuesday and we will be 9 points behind Sutton with 2 games in hand and 7 behind Newport with 2 games in hand, with plenty of games to go. Win one those games in hand and the gap will be 4/6 points. Still playing without a striker, hopefully one will be back soon. Typical Rovers to lose to a team near the bottom and not lose away to a team with a great home record and at home to team on a great run. There are other teams who have games in hand as well that are closer to those teams than we are. Also quite a reach to assume we just win all our games in hand, two of them are away from home and our away form isn’t great. I just don’t see how we get ourselves enough points. Only Port vale have the same amount of games to play. Lots of places are still up for grabs. Not saying we will do it. Just saying it's not over yet! Not just for us, half the teams can still make the play offs. Nearly every season, at least one team will fall away towards the end and at least one team will go on a late run, to clinch a play off place. Lots of teams can still make it. Bolton were 19th at the end of January last season and ended up in the automatic positions. It's never over until it's over.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 12, 2022 19:38:20 GMT
But 11th over the last 6 games so current form is worsening not improving, we've simply now got to win on Tuesday Here he goes again, always has to flip it round to a negative. For the record 4 of those 6 games were away, 9 points from those 6 games is not a bad return. It's nothing to do with being negative it's about being realistic what's the point in pretending our current form is top 4 when it's clearly not, plus how can 9 pts from 6 games be a good return when we need to make up pts to close the gap, next you'll be suggesting 2 pt from the next 2 games will be a satisfactory outcome.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 19:38:57 GMT
I think it’s just being realistic tbh. At no point have we looked convincing enough to be a side that will go up. If current form over the last 6 continues we will finish on 63 points which will seen us finish around ten points adrift of the top play offs based on seasonal averages. Of course it COULD happen but I think it’s improbable. and if you go on the past 8 games (4 home, 4 away) we would have 72 points. It is improbable but far from impossible. I genuinely believe we have a squad of players who have the ability to be a lot higher, the players are playing for the shirt and the fans believe in the team. We have had so many hiccups in the first half of the season and have improved throughout the season. Give us a chance, we might just surprise you. And if we go by the only table that really matters (the league table) We would finish on 62, also 72 still not likely to be enough by the way going on previous seasons. I agree we’ve got some good players but sadly they are held back by a manager who isn’t good enough.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 12, 2022 19:41:28 GMT
It is when you’re chasing the play offs and already playing catch up. Yes but it's not dead yet. We have improved and the strongest we have been all season. We may well fall short but to write the season off already is premature. If we fail to pick up a minimum of 4 pts in next week's games then the season will be just as good as over.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 19:41:29 GMT
There are other teams who have games in hand as well that are closer to those teams than we are. Also quite a reach to assume we just win all our games in hand, two of them are away from home and our away form isn’t great. I just don’t see how we get ourselves enough points. Only Port vale have the same amount of games to play. Lots of places are still up for grabs. Not saying we will do it. Just saying it's not over yet! Not just for us, half the teams can still make the play offs. Nearly every season, at least one team will fall away towards the end and at least one team will go on a late run, to clinch a play off place. Lots of teams can still make it. Bolton were 19th at the end of January last season and ended up in the automatic positions. It's never over until it's over. There are far more teams that are 14th in mid February and don’t make the playoffs than there are examples like Bolton. Of course it’s never over until it’s over but based on the managers results in the 12 months he’s had the job it’s unlikely we suddenly find top 3 form
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 12, 2022 19:47:37 GMT
There are other teams who have games in hand as well that are closer to those teams than we are. Also quite a reach to assume we just win all our games in hand, two of them are away from home and our away form isn’t great. I just don’t see how we get ourselves enough points. Only Port vale have the same amount of games to play. Lots of places are still up for grabs. Not saying we will do it. Just saying it's not over yet! Not just for us, half the teams can still make the play offs. Nearly every season, at least one team will fall away towards the end and at least one team will go on a late run, to clinch a play off place. Lots of teams can still make it. Bolton were 19th at the end of January last season and ended up in the automatic positions. It's never over until it's over. Why keep referring to Bolton when it was a total one off they were promoted, knowing how they bent the rules in L1 they probably had a massive budget last season, it's not like we've got a load of good L2 players about to return from injury to give us a big boost. Plus we've never really outplayed a top 7 side all season.
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Post by Kipper on Feb 12, 2022 20:24:32 GMT
How many points were Bolton behind the top seven on 12/2/21?
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Post by pucklegas on Feb 12, 2022 20:37:10 GMT
Thought we deserved to win the match with our second half performance, looked a stone wall pen, but maybe Azz overdid the dive, if he had just gone over it would have looked clearer cut.
Connor Taylor was superb and many good performances out there, pleased to see Belly back.
Need wins really so would have gone for it, LT should have been brought on for Nicho.
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Post by socrates on Feb 12, 2022 20:43:45 GMT
I thinks it’s fairly obvious we are a mid table side. If you add the first quarter of the season where we were a relegation looking side to the second quarter of the season where we’ve been in play off form then yes clearly we are a mid table side. And that’s the league table as it stands. Obviously pushing in to the top half or even top 7 100% depends on whether our recent form continues or we revert back to the relegation form or mid table form. But what we have currently is momentum or form, call it what you like but in sport momentum is everything. Regarding form tables as Tooper says the last 6 table isn’t as good as last 8 and so on but if you look at any of the last whatever games form tables they show that we have improved over the second quarter of the season and that also goes to show what a dreadful start we had. Momentum is everything and a win Tuesday night would build that momentum massively.
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Post by socrates on Feb 12, 2022 20:45:15 GMT
Yeah it is. I don’t even watch his interviews I’m going on what I see and 4th in the form table , one defeat in 8 and players who work hard for the shirt gives me hope. The first ten matches or so this season were woeful but I’m enjoying watching the Gas again for the first time in over two years. Not because Barton has “ brainwashed” me But because we’ve got a hardworking squad who have also got ability. I was prepared after Barton’s end to last season to give him all of this season to see what he could do,as long as we weren’t staring at another relegation like we did with DC after relegation ( that turned out alright didn’t it ?) So far I think he’s done ok overall but in parts it started badly and is getting better. Got to give him the rest of the season see how it goes. UTG Why keep repeating we're 4th in the form table when we're 6th in the more commonly used 6 games current form table, who are you trying to convince we're doing better than we really are? Doing much better these last couple of months than the couple of months previously is my point. Our form has improved, we have improved . Momentum Clear ?
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Post by Gassy on Feb 12, 2022 20:48:25 GMT
How many points were Bolton behind the top seven on 12/2/21? 7 points. They then picked up 44/57 points for the rest of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2022 20:54:42 GMT
I thinks it’s fairly obvious we are a mid table side. If you add the first quarter of the season where we were a relegation looking side to the second quarter of the season where we’ve been in play off form then yes clearly we are a mid table side. And that’s the league table as it stands. Obviously pushing in to the top half or even top 7 100% depends on whether our recent form continues or we revert back to the relegation form or mid table form. But what we have currently is momentum or form, call it what you like but in sport momentum is everything. Regarding form tables as Tooper says the last 6 table isn’t as good as last 8 and so on but if you look at any of the last whatever games form tables they show that we have improved over the second quarter of the season and that also goes to show what a dreadful start we had. Momentum is everything and a win Tuesday night would build that momentum massively. Not doubting we’ve got better but it’s still not good enough to go up. Not one form table says that it is
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 12, 2022 20:56:07 GMT
Why keep repeating we're 4th in the form table when we're 6th in the more commonly used 6 games current form table, who are you trying to convince we're doing better than we really are? Doing much better these last couple of months than the couple of months previously is my point. Our form has improved, we have improved . Momentum Clear ? Not sure we still have the momentum, we seem to have hit a brick wall at the moment, we desperately need a win on Tuesday or Saturday and a minimum of 4pts.
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