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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 9, 2022 21:43:39 GMT
This is NOT another “do we like Barton blah blah” thread.
Objectively speaking we are pushing for promotion, in great form, have a United team who work hard and have strength in depth, so I can’t fault him on that.
One thing which has been mentioned by others, and I agree, is in game tactics/subs.
Often I feel he isn’t decisive enough in games in terms of subs. We also have one plan, plan A, and I think the top sides have done well against us as we are predictable.
We are certainly possibly the best ball playing team in the league but other teams just seem to like the long ball, and crosses, but they’re really good at it.
At this point in the season I feel our most likely way of being promoted is automatic as I don’t fancy us in the playoffs.
We’re kind of flat track bullies. Good at teasing weak teams, but not so clever against the better ones.
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Post by badengas on Mar 9, 2022 22:10:20 GMT
We have tactics ? I'd personally favour an old fashioned 442 which would cause problems to all teams at our current level. 352, 451, false nines etc aren't for me, but maybe I'm a dinosaur.
I agree on the lack of ability to change mid game, but in truth I don't think JB is alone in this.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Mar 9, 2022 22:24:01 GMT
I don't agree at all.
I would say that the reason we never feel out of a game even if we're losing is that the manager is good at tweaking formation and getting his ideas into the pitch mid game.
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Post by oliverhelmet on Mar 9, 2022 22:34:22 GMT
For years (excluding the Darrel Clarke era) I’ve gone away from games thinking why can’t we play on the deck attacking football like most of our opponents.Well,that’s us now and how we are looked upon by other supporters I reckon.Amazing really as up until the turn of the year I never had a clue what our game plan was so it’s been one hell of a turnaround whatever happens for the rest of the season.We’re still a bit dodgy at the back at times mind,despite the low amount of goals conceded recently,but much better since Connolly and also Hoole,more recently,have been starting.
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Mar 10, 2022 8:04:27 GMT
The most successful teams are the ones that can mix it up. Some are direct, some are excellent at dead balls and some can knock it around nicely. If we can improve our scoring from set pieces and be able to go more direct at times, will help us massively. We definitely need to improve our final ball and be more ruthless in front of goal because we do create opportunities even when we are not playing that well.
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Mar 10, 2022 8:12:41 GMT
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Post by mftc on Mar 10, 2022 8:12:41 GMT
I don't think it is any coincidence that our form, style of play, tactics, substitutions etc have improved massively since Bond joined the coaching staff.
The brains behind Joeys brawn.
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Post by kruger on Mar 10, 2022 8:15:17 GMT
You just have to listen to the commentary of the other side, quite a few of them think they are playing a team that's going up, same as the other teams supporters and the managers with exception to Garner and Tisdale obviously, whatever JB is doing is fine with me
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 10, 2022 8:28:24 GMT
Might not have worded this correctly. I meant he doesn’t use subs much or change things in game, perhaps I’m wrong
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Post by percy on Mar 10, 2022 8:32:02 GMT
The most successful teams are the ones that can mix it up. Some are direct, some are excellent at dead balls and some can knock it around nicely. If we can improve our scoring from set pieces and be able to go more direct at times, will help us massively. We definitely need to improve our final ball and be more ruthless in front of goal because we do create opportunities even when we are not playing that well. Yeah agree with this. Loft was supposed to give us this plan B but I'm not sure he is that type of player. Feel we really need a fast strong, awkward No.9 (like we seem to come up against every week). But I love the way we play as a plan A. When it works, it is some of the best football i have seen at the gas. Such a shift from the first few months where i had no idea what our plan A even was Interesting comment re: Bond |
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Mar 10, 2022 8:39:14 GMT
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Post by fatherbrown on Mar 10, 2022 8:39:14 GMT
If you look back to the beginning of the season Joey was insisting on a back three,which week after week we were being exposed out wide but with injuries and the form of Luca, John and Connor, the tail has wagged the dog, thankfully Joey seems to have learned from this, the same can be said of the attack, injuries the lack of mobility of Brett Pitman, Joey has stumbled into a successful formula not of his own creation, he is still a relatively inexperienced coach, hopefully he and us can only improve, I do believe we have a plan B in Ryan Loft, but it's not delivered so far, I'm sure it will in time, just remember Matty Taylor, Aaron Collins, KTF. UTG
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Post by hollyhillgas on Mar 10, 2022 8:41:18 GMT
The most successful teams are the ones that can mix it up. Some are direct, some are excellent at dead balls and some can knock it around nicely. If we can improve our scoring from set pieces and be able to go more direct at times, will help us massively. We definitely need to improve our final ball and be more ruthless in front of goal because we do create opportunities even when we are not playing that well. Yeah agree with this. Loft was supposed to give us this plan B but I'm not sure he is that type of player. Feel we really need a fast strong, awkward No.9 (like we seem to come up against every week). But I love the way we play as a plan A. When it works, it is some of the best football i have seen at the gas. Such a shift from the first few months where i had no idea what our plan A even was Interesting comment re: Bond JB is only going to switch to long ball plan B when Rovers are chasing the game, and that's not happening very often. |
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Post by Quarters on Mar 10, 2022 8:49:15 GMT
I agree regarding subs, they often seem a bit late, and a reluctance to replace certain players.
Last couple of games thought Saunders should have come on to worry the opponents defence, defend from the front and an out ball.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Mar 10, 2022 10:04:05 GMT
Interesting! Think we all have our own opinions as to what subs to use or tactics to employ and doubt we would ever all agree!
The present squad play some of the best football of its type i have ever seen from Rovers ,has been applauded by opponents but does not guarantee success. Reckon the very best coaches are able to see quickly if things are not working and will change things sooner rather than later, i do find some of JBS subs strange but at the end of the day he is the professional and i have to respect his decisions.
Think we still don't see our dominance in games reflected on the score as sometimes final ball is not quite right and we still do not have a natural finisher, may be a Telford would have got us 30 goals this season or may be his like would have upset the overall balance of the side, who knows. Sometimes we could do with a bit more Braun up front and at back, hope fully Lofty will come good given time in that role as i think there are time when we have to mix it up , think we all agree on that. Think Hoole is a good example of giving players time to get up to speed, it would have been easy to discard him after a few indifferent performance's but persevering has paid off. I would not worry unduly about play offs, we have matched Exeter, Mansfield, Sutton recently ,Newport being the only one who out fought us.
When comparing styles i can't help but go back to Twerton days and that memorable season, were we the best footballing side in the league, ? no way , i often went away from games thinking the other team looked much better but we were the one who won! so for me its about knowing your players strengths, there weaknesses, and moulding hem into a unit where every one knew there job and did it to the limit, result being a 'team' in then truest sense of the word, there was a steel about them which made them almost unbeatable.
As for this season ,well we have momentum, other teams are very wary of us creeping up behind them and are beginning to panic, our players are scenting blood and i believe they will not let it slip now, the only thing we can't control is lady luck, may it stay with us!
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Mar 10, 2022 10:27:42 GMT
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Post by socrates on Mar 10, 2022 10:27:42 GMT
Earlier in season it was mostly 3 centre backs with wing backs who hardly ever hit forward enough to give us any width with the ball.
We also had the immobile Pitman and were basically crap and predictable.
I was one of the ones saying from day one that with the wealth of attacking midfielders in the side and the more holding centre mids like grant whelan and coutts we should be looking to play 4231 as I thought it would much better suit the players we had.
It was frustrating that it took JB so long to see it because we’ve been playing catch up ever since but now we really look the real deal.
We still look dodgey defensively most games and it seems Taylor has to have a blinder or Belly has loads to do which is a worry, but other than that I’m confident we’ll make at least the play offs.
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Post by hardingegas on Mar 10, 2022 13:35:09 GMT
Definitely the change to a back four has revitalised our season.
We're now seeing Anderson in a more effective forward position where he's chipping in with some important goals combined with outstanding workrate.
Hoole is becoming our version of Alexander-Arnold proving you can be an attacking full back in a back four when needed.
Praise is due to Anderton as well at left back who I thought was immense against Crawley after taking a physical battering but showed great character in carrying on.
Only thing missing really is an experienced central defender alongside Taylor.
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