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Post by madgas on Mar 7, 2022 18:54:07 GMT
It's upsetting to me that some value smarts over kindness on this issue.
The club is trying to raise a bit of cash for a good cause. I'm amazed that anyone could respond with skepticism.
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 8, 2022 7:29:41 GMT
It's upsetting to me that some value smarts over kindness on this issue. The club is trying to raise a bit of cash for a good cause. I'm amazed that anyone could respond with skepticism. On the contrary, I have given what I can to the poor refugees who are entirely innocent. What I think some are responding to is war mongering rhetoric which screams for no fly zones and NATO/US involvement, and makes bogus claims that the USSR is getting resurrected. Russia’s demands have been clear for years. The more we go down the “sadaam mark II” and keep dehumanising Russians as a pariah and evil state, without judging what’s at stake and what’s actually going on, the closer we get to WW3. |
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Post by madgas on Mar 8, 2022 8:51:13 GMT
It's upsetting to me that some value smarts over kindness on this issue. The club is trying to raise a bit of cash for a good cause. I'm amazed that anyone could respond with skepticism. On the contrary, I have given what I can to the poor refugees who are entirely innocent. What I think some are responding to is war mongering rhetoric which screams for no fly zones and NATO/US involvement, and makes bogus claims that the USSR is getting resurrected. Russia’s demands have been clear for years. The more we go down the “sadaam mark II” and keep dehumanising Russians as a pariah and evil state, without judging what’s at stake and what’s actually going on, the closer we get to WW3. Perhaps my post wasn't well explained and this is where the bigger point lies. Anyone discussing international diplomacy was not meant to be criticised. I.e. if we do this x will happen and therefore we shouldn't... I am criticising those arguing bad things happen in others countries- and no one cares so- why... The situation in Ukraine is deeply complicated and totally unique as each conflict is. The story of Urkraine and the sentiment felt by their people and those that identify as Russian predates communism. Many including myself struggle to succinctly describe the benefits of 4 4 2. 30 word essays on the morality of human compassion are as helpful as they are inspiring. Personally, I come to gaschat for a bit of an escape. It was good to see the club recognise a chance to help and try. I was deeply saddened when I read some of the reaction and in truth its causing some debate (in my head) as to whether gaschat is good for me. I've been on here (over two usernames) for 15 years but the lack of empathy is exhausting. We've had binary anger over; several managers, Wael, the stadium, the supporters club, Joey, the fans that don't like Joey, the fans that do, covid, recruitment, TG, Box 2, rainbow laces. And I expect that but: I sincerely believed that raising money for victims couldn't not receive unanimous applause. However for a few it's another chance to "win" gaschat. Its buying a mug to help victims, people. |
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Post by poorblue on Mar 8, 2022 10:20:07 GMT
Any for Syria as they've been getting blitzed by the Israelis all week. Syria has been blitzed by Assad, ISIS, Hezbollah, Iran and Russia for years. A real hotspot for Despots |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 8, 2022 11:29:08 GMT
It's upsetting to me that some value smarts over kindness on this issue. The club is trying to raise a bit of cash for a good cause. I'm amazed that anyone could respond with skepticism. On the contrary, I have given what I can to the poor refugees who are entirely innocent. What I think some are responding to is war mongering rhetoric which screams for no fly zones and NATO/US involvement, and makes bogus claims that the USSR is getting resurrected. Russia’s demands have been clear for years. The more we go down the “sadaam mark II” and keep dehumanising Russians as a pariah and evil state, without judging what’s at stake and what’s actually going on, the closer we get to WW3. Well said and the rhetoric is being ramped up by people who have no idea of this or upon this history of it |
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Post by gulfofaden on Mar 8, 2022 14:41:55 GMT
On the contrary, I have given what I can to the poor refugees who are entirely innocent. What I think some are responding to is war mongering rhetoric which screams for no fly zones and NATO/US involvement, and makes bogus claims that the USSR is getting resurrected. Russia’s demands have been clear for years. The more we go down the “sadaam mark II” and keep dehumanising Russians as a pariah and evil state, without judging what’s at stake and what’s actually going on, the closer we get to WW3. Perhaps my post wasn't well explained and this is where the bigger point lies. Anyone discussing international diplomacy was not meant to be criticised. I.e. if we do this x will happen and therefore we shouldn't... I am criticising those arguing bad things happen in others countries- and no one cares so- why... The situation in Ukraine is deeply complicated and totally unique as each conflict is. The story of Urkraine and the sentiment felt by their people and those that identify as Russian predates communism. Many including myself struggle to succinctly describe the benefits of 4 4 2. 30 word essays on the morality of human compassion are as helpful as they are inspiring. Personally, I come to gaschat for a bit of an escape. It was good to see the club recognise a chance to help and try. I was deeply saddened when I read some of the reaction and in truth its causing some debate (in my head) as to whether gaschat is good for me. I've been on here (over two usernames) for 15 years but the lack of empathy is exhausting. We've had binary anger over; several managers, Wael, the stadium, the supporters club, Joey, the fans that don't like Joey, the fans that do, covid, recruitment, TG, Box 2, rainbow laces. And I expect that but: I sincerely believed that raising money for victims couldn't not receive unanimous applause. However for a few it's another chance to "win" gaschat. Its buying a mug to help victims, people. Right. You can be sceptical of what’s being presented to you, but still have empathy for the innocent victims. Twas ever thus. Germany fighting Russia for the states in between, but it’s a bit wider than that now, but it’s been going on centuries. I have a bit of history with Russia and there is real resentment for west Ukraine, whom the Russian I knew said were seen as turncoats for assisting the Germans in operation Barbarossa. Of course, nobody living today had any involvement, and Stalin V Hitler is a moot point. Neither side in that struggle was really a beacon of enlightenment. I’m kind of endorsing your point that the history of that region goes all the way back to 1917, and is highly complex. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 9, 2022 11:04:28 GMT
Perhaps my post wasn't well explained and this is where the bigger point lies. Anyone discussing international diplomacy was not meant to be criticised. I.e. if we do this x will happen and therefore we shouldn't... I am criticising those arguing bad things happen in others countries- and no one cares so- why... The situation in Ukraine is deeply complicated and totally unique as each conflict is. The story of Urkraine and the sentiment felt by their people and those that identify as Russian predates communism. Many including myself struggle to succinctly describe the benefits of 4 4 2. 30 word essays on the morality of human compassion are as helpful as they are inspiring. Personally, I come to gaschat for a bit of an escape. It was good to see the club recognise a chance to help and try. I was deeply saddened when I read some of the reaction and in truth its causing some debate (in my head) as to whether gaschat is good for me. I've been on here (over two usernames) for 15 years but the lack of empathy is exhausting. We've had binary anger over; several managers, Wael, the stadium, the supporters club, Joey, the fans that don't like Joey, the fans that do, covid, recruitment, TG, Box 2, rainbow laces. And I expect that but: I sincerely believed that raising money for victims couldn't not receive unanimous applause. However for a few it's another chance to "win" gaschat. Its buying a mug to help victims, people. Right. You can be sceptical of what’s being presented to you, but still have empathy for the innocent victims. Twas ever thus. Germany fighting Russia for the states in between, but it’s a bit wider than that now, but it’s been going on centuries. I have a bit of history with Russia and there is real resentment for west Ukraine, whom the Russian I knew said were seen as turncoats for assisting the Germans in operation Barbarossa. Of course, nobody living today had any involvement, and Stalin V Hitler is a moot point. Neither side in that struggle was really a beacon of enlightenment. I’m kind of endorsing your point that the history of that region goes all the way back to 1917, and is highly complex. The situation is much more complex than that. Poland had that part of the country for many years and Lwów ( now Lviv) was seen as the cultural capital of Poland, many of it’s poets, scientists and such, hailed from that area and Vilnius or Wilno as it was. Ukrainę was part of Poland and then part of Russiafor hundreds of years. There is some irony in the Ukrainians were guilty of one of the worst genocides in Poland, brutally killing circa 100,000 and in the most brutal of ways and led by there now biggest hero, Bandera. Look up the killings of Polish in Wolyn if you are interested. Putin was very clear that he would never allow Ukraine to be a NATO member right from the start. Normal Russians are being made to suffer and are being stigmatised due to him, no one should ever generalise and think that normal Russians are behind him, his reign has seen more arrests and jailing that when it was USSR and he jailed, for life, his biggest threat to power. This is Putins war and not Russia. |
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Post by kentgas on Mar 10, 2022 11:09:42 GMT
Back on subject, my mug has just arrived.
And very smart it looks too!
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 10, 2022 16:07:17 GMT
Back on subject, my mug has just arrived. And very smart it looks too! Out of interest, how much of the cost goes to aid ? |
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Post by Gaswood on Mar 10, 2022 16:09:00 GMT
Back on subject, my mug has just arrived. And very smart it looks too! Out of interest, how much of the cost goes to aid ? All of the profit. |
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Post by lincsblue on Mar 11, 2022 8:54:49 GMT
Good to see Whatism is alive and well....not
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Post by wertongas on Mar 11, 2022 9:40:52 GMT
The war in Ukraine is awful and the instigator evil. Thing is the war in Syria involved the same man and another dictator, I don't suppose Israel would bother about Syria if it had a decent democratic leader instead of a violent oppressive dictator, backed by an evil nutjob in the Kremlin. Unfortunately it is all ways the innocent that come off worst, why can,t these leaders just get on with their neighbors. Unfortunately a few Mad Men make it hell for so many.
By the way the producing the mug to raise money can only be praised well done Rovers.
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Post by wertongas on Mar 11, 2022 10:07:42 GMT
I have asked TG, if the team could wear it's yellow away shorts with the blue quarters for tomorrow to show our support for the poor people of Ukraine.
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Post by gaslife on Mar 11, 2022 12:07:03 GMT
Right. You can be sceptical of what’s being presented to you, but still have empathy for the innocent victims. Twas ever thus. Germany fighting Russia for the states in between, but it’s a bit wider than that now, but it’s been going on centuries. I have a bit of history with Russia and there is real resentment for west Ukraine, whom the Russian I knew said were seen as turncoats for assisting the Germans in operation Barbarossa. Of course, nobody living today had any involvement, and Stalin V Hitler is a moot point. Neither side in that struggle was really a beacon of enlightenment. I’m kind of endorsing your point that the history of that region goes all the way back to 1917, and is highly complex. The situation is much more complex than that. Poland had that part of the country for many years and Lwów ( now Lviv) was seen as the cultural capital of Poland, many of it’s poets, scientists and such, hailed from that area and Vilnius or Wilno as it was. Ukrainę was part of Poland and then part of Russiafor hundreds of years. There is some irony in the Ukrainians were guilty of one of the worst genocides in Poland, brutally killing circa 100,000 and in the most brutal of ways and led by there now biggest hero, Bandera. Look up the killings of Polish in Wolyn if you are interested. Putin was very clear that he would never allow Ukraine to be a NATO member right from the start. Normal Russians are being made to suffer and are being stigmatised due to him, no one should ever generalise and think that normal Russians are behind him, his reign has seen more arrests and jailing that when it was USSR and he jailed, for life, his biggest threat to power. This is Putins war and not Russia. Since some on here seem keen on giving us amateur history lessons, so obviously biased and inaccurate towards an anti-Ukraine viewpoint, I wonder why none of you (for example) mention the Holodomor Genocide of many millions of Ukrainians by Stalin’s Russia in the 1930s? For readers who are interested in educating themselves on the historical facts about Eastern Europe, I can recommend the books, lectures, interviews (available on YouTube, use Google to find) of eminent expert historians; Professor Timothy D Snyder and Anne Applebaum. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 12, 2022 10:38:21 GMT
The situation is much more complex than that. Poland had that part of the country for many years and Lwów ( now Lviv) was seen as the cultural capital of Poland, many of it’s poets, scientists and such, hailed from that area and Vilnius or Wilno as it was. Ukrainę was part of Poland and then part of Russiafor hundreds of years. There is some irony in the Ukrainians were guilty of one of the worst genocides in Poland, brutally killing circa 100,000 and in the most brutal of ways and led by there now biggest hero, Bandera. Look up the killings of Polish in Wolyn if you are interested. Putin was very clear that he would never allow Ukraine to be a NATO member right from the start. Normal Russians are being made to suffer and are being stigmatised due to him, no one should ever generalise and think that normal Russians are behind him, his reign has seen more arrests and jailing that when it was USSR and he jailed, for life, his biggest threat to power. This is Putins war and not Russia. Since some on here seem keen on giving us amateur history lessons, so obviously biased and inaccurate towards an anti-Ukraine viewpoint, I wonder why none of you (for example) mention the Holodomor Genocide of many millions of Ukrainians by Stalin’s Russia in the 1930s? For readers who are interested in educating themselves on the historical facts about Eastern Europe, I can recommend the books, lectures, interviews (available on YouTube, use Google to find) of eminent expert historians; Professor Timothy D Snyder and Anne Applebaum. My father was in the Indigirka destructive labour camp, in the Kolyma region of Siberia and he said there were more Russians in the camps than any other race. Everyone suffered if they tried to say or do anything that belittled Stalin. How about the Katyn massacre of Polands intelligentsia ? Brutal and cowardly |
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