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Post by trevorgas on Jun 6, 2022 11:08:51 GMT
Bit like every other family in the UKš®,it would be dangerous for us to have an overtly politically biased PM/Head of State, Putin being a prime example. But the queen has no powers in that way in any case. She can put her views forward to any PM but they are not obliged to act upon them. Most modern PMās have a team of advisors themselves, one can only hope they have the interests of the many and not the fewĀ She could refuse Royal Assent on bills etc ,not sure what would happen then other than a massive constitutional crisis. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 6, 2022 11:11:56 GMT
But the queen has no powers in that way in any case. She can put her views forward to any PM but they are not obliged to act upon them. Most modern PMās have a team of advisors themselves, one can only hope they have the interests of the many and not the few She could refuse Royal Assent on bills etc ,not sure what would happen then other than a massive constitutional crisis. I did not know this. Thanks for telling me. |
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Post by bluegas on Jun 6, 2022 11:14:21 GMT
When you read that more men died in the civil war than in 2 world wars, it brings some perspective. Personally i don't think we need anymore than a PM and he is then head of state. Having a royal family hasnāt turned out too well for Lizzie and i have to say that, give the stuff with Diana, Andrew and Meghan has mad even me feel a bit sorry and embarrassed for her. It must be every families worst nightmare to have the situation that she has had to deal with, with all of thatĀ Bit like every other family in the UKš®,it would be dangerous for us to have an overtly politically biased PM/Head of State, Putin being a prime example. Not sure where you stand TG, but I was being ironic. I'm not a gushing, sycophantic, starry eyed Royalist. Just looking around the World, I'd prefer what we have. It's not perfect but works OK. As for the wealth thing, every president soon adorns themselves with gold taps, fleets of limousines and aircraft and large 'palaces'. Putin, I believe, claims to be the richest man in the World. Posts from my US friends on Facebook suggest it is bitterly divided over there. But hey ho. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 6, 2022 11:14:25 GMT
She could refuse Royal Assent on bills etc ,not sure what would happen then other than a massive constitutional crisis. I did not know this. Thanks for telling me.Ā šš |
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Post by fintanstack on Jun 6, 2022 11:46:17 GMT
f**k the Royals.
Get rid.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 6, 2022 12:12:56 GMT
Talking of the Royals (not that we really were, but it doesn't merit a new thread), it was announced that Prince Randy Andy will miss the Thanksgiving service at St Paul's due to testing positive for Covid. How convenient for the family. Phew! Also noticed they are now taking about a new term: 'working Royals', who appear to be the only ones allowed on the balcony at Buckingham Palace today. The non-'working' ones presumably will be sitting at home twiddling their thumbs. How does Prince Andrew, as a non-working Royal, support himself these days? Does he earn actual money (and if so, how?), or does he get handed a brown envelope every few months? Just interested as a taxpayer. If he is getting funded it'll be through the private wealth as derived via the Duchy of Lancaster and not through the Sovereign Grant. He also has his navy pension. š¤ |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 6, 2022 12:15:12 GMT
Bit like every other family in the UKš®,it would be dangerous for us to have an overtly politically biased PM/Head of State, Putin being a prime example. Not sure where you stand TG, but I was being ironic. I'm not a gushing, sycophantic, starry eyed Royalist. Just looking around the World, I'd prefer what we have. It's not perfect but works OK. As for the wealth thing, every president soon adorns themselves with gold taps, fleets of limousines and aircraft and large 'palaces'. Putin, I believe, claims to be the richest man in the World. Posts from my US friends on Facebook suggest it is bitterly divided over there. But hey ho. Pretty much where I am on this, if we do change at some point in the future I'd rather retain Cabinet government and have an apolitical Head of State. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 6, 2022 12:27:04 GMT
Not sure where you stand TG, but I was being ironic. I'm not a gushing, sycophantic, starry eyed Royalist. Just looking around the World, I'd prefer what we have. It's not perfect but works OK. As for the wealth thing, every president soon adorns themselves with gold taps, fleets of limousines and aircraft and large 'palaces'. Putin, I believe, claims to be the richest man in the World. Posts from my US friends on Facebook suggest it is bitterly divided over there. But hey ho. Pretty much where I am on this, if we do change at some point in the future I'd rather retain Cabinet government and have an apolitical Head of State. Apologies bluegas,missed the irony,I'm not a royalist,can see that as it stands it works ok. If as Stuart suggests we go for Head of State I think we would need a written constitution which I don't see happening as so much of our governance is entwined in common law. |
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Post by brads213 on Jun 6, 2022 14:06:23 GMT
Totally agree what the weekend has cost an already broke country, that money could have gone to the homeless ex troops who are living on the street who took an oath to serve and protect her it goes both ways. we need a referendum on staying with this outdated curse or having a republic |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 6, 2022 14:09:08 GMT
Totally agree what the weekend has cost an already broke country, that money could have gone to the homeless ex troops who are living on the street who took an oath to serve and protect her it goes both ways. we need a referendum on staying with this outdated curse or having a republic What sort of republic are you proposing? I'm not voting for a change without knowing the small print. |
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Post by yattongas on Jun 6, 2022 14:17:47 GMT
If Barton gets us into the championship he should be crowned King of Bristol š
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Post by fintanstack on Jun 6, 2022 14:28:44 GMT
Totally agree what the weekend has cost an already broke country, that money could have gone to the homeless ex troops who are living on the street who took an oath to serve and protect her it goes both ways. we need a referendum on staying with this outdated curse or having a republic What sort of republic are you proposing? I'm not voting for a change without knowing the small print. We do not need to change anything, just stop paying for the parasites. |
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Post by brads213 on Jun 6, 2022 14:50:35 GMT
What sort of republic are you proposing? I'm not voting for a change without knowing the small print. We do not need to change anything, just stop paying for the parasites. That will save billions to start with |
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 6, 2022 14:52:04 GMT
What sort of republic are you proposing? I'm not voting for a change without knowing the small print. We do not need to change anything, just stop paying for the parasites. I don't think we pay for most of them,the vast majority of the Royal Family are either self funding or funded by the Queen directly |
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Post by yattongas on Jun 6, 2022 15:12:46 GMT
We do not need to change anything, just stop paying for the parasites. I don't think we pay for most of them,the vast majority of the Royal Family are either self funding or funded by the Queen directly Where did their wealth originate from though is the question? |
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 6, 2022 15:23:53 GMT
I don't think we pay for most of them,the vast majority of the Royal Family are either self funding or funded by the Queen directly Where did their wealth originate from though is the question?Ā I would guess from the vast estates etc,bit like the Duke Westminster owns most of Cheshire as well as all the stuff in London. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 6, 2022 15:24:34 GMT
I don't think we pay for most of them,the vast majority of the Royal Family are either self funding or funded by the Queen directly Where did their wealth originate from though is the question?Ā The Sovereign's private wealth comes from a government administered Trust, the Duchy of Lancaster. The Heir to the Throne is the same via the Duchy of Cornwall. The Sovereign Grant (former Civil List) is to cover the expenses of Head of State, not the wider family. All government sanctioned. |
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Post by yattongas on Jun 6, 2022 15:26:30 GMT
Where did their wealth originate from though is the question? I would guess from the vast estates etc,bit like the Duke Westminster owns most of Cheshire as well as all the stuff in London. And those vast estates were built on the back of profits from slave Labour amongst other dodgy stuff going back hundreds of years |
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Post by oldie on Jun 6, 2022 15:30:34 GMT
We do not need to change anything, just stop paying for the parasites. I don't think we pay for most of them,the vast majority of the Royal Family are either self funding or funded by the Queen directly Yes we do. |
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Post by trevorgas on Jun 6, 2022 15:33:27 GMT
I don't think we pay for most of them,the vast majority of the Royal Family are either self funding or funded by the Queen directly Yes we do. Didn't think they were all on the civil list? |
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