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Post by bluebiro on Aug 4, 2022 18:18:41 GMT
Somebody mentioned clarke and charlton beginning of the week. Wonder if there has been movement on there and barton is trying to force a fee for him.
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Post by RD on Aug 4, 2022 18:21:06 GMT
Somebody mentioned clarke and charlton beginning of the week. Wonder if there has been movement on there and barton is trying to force a fee for him. Weird isn't it. If it does materialise will look even more strange given he'd be good enough for Charlton but seemingly not good enough for us!
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Post by bluebiro on Aug 4, 2022 18:25:20 GMT
Somebody mentioned clarke and charlton beginning of the week. Wonder if there has been movement on there and barton is trying to force a fee for him. Weird isn't it. If it does materialise will look even more strange given he'd be good enough for Charlton but seemingly not good enough for us! Rd. What if they offered a wage that blows us out of the water to tempt him?
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Post by oldie on Aug 4, 2022 18:26:03 GMT
Somebody mentioned clarke and charlton beginning of the week. Wonder if there has been movement on there and barton is trying to force a fee for him. Weird isn't it. If it does materialise will look even more strange given he'd be good enough for Charlton but seemingly not good enough for us! Bizarre doesn't even cover it. Let's see if we get lucky again with an E Anderson style loan.
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Post by RD on Aug 4, 2022 18:27:24 GMT
Weird isn't it. If it does materialise will look even more strange given he'd be good enough for Charlton but seemingly not good enough for us! Rd. What if they offered a wage that blows us out of the water to tempt him? Maybe. But again, why not just be honest (which he's never had a problem with before) Surely saying he ain't for sale etc etc would be better for business. Bizarre to slag him off and say he ain't good enough - hardly bumps up his price?!
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Post by oldie on Aug 4, 2022 18:29:05 GMT
Weird isn't it. If it does materialise will look even more strange given he'd be good enough for Charlton but seemingly not good enough for us! Rd. What if they offered a wage that blows us out of the water to tempt him? So keep him and tell Charlton they will have to pay. But no, he is basically sacked and told to find another job, so if Charlton do want him they can get him for free. Brilliant bit of business that, but I don't believe it for a second, even our manager isn't that loopy...is he???
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Post by stapletongas on Aug 4, 2022 18:29:30 GMT
Time will tell if it's the right decision, but at least Barton is making tough calls and when there is talk of clearing the decks, then that surely means making room for incoming. At this time of year there are loads of pros out of contract. If there are better less injury prone players out there to replace with then you have to do it.
We need to bear in mind that at best fans see the players once a week if you go home and away, even then you can go weeks on end without seeing some. The manager sees them much more often. No doubt stuff going on that is kept behind the scenes.
Just hope this squad is completed well and very soon. It would be nice one day to actually hit the ground running at the start of a season without the groundhog day of playing catch up every year!
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Post by 84gas on Aug 4, 2022 18:29:43 GMT
He was under contract so what difference does interest from other clubs make? Has to be a disciplinary issue that will come out in the wash
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 4, 2022 18:30:23 GMT
Would you rather we signed sh** players now? Kept sh** players on or players who are disruptive to the dressing room? Just to be able to say we’re prepared? Or would you rather wait a few games in and sign players who will make a difference and allow us to compete? I know what I’d prefer. Our manager got us promoted last season. Certain posters have been very quiet for a while now. But now decide to pop up. I don’t think pointing that out is irrelevant. It’s demonstrating that our manager deserves a degree of trust based on his achievements last season. And that the season isn’t decided in the first few games. The issue is clearly that the manager gave a player a new 2 year contract and then throws him under the bus in the first game of the season and decides he no longer wants him. Westbrooke wasn’t with us last year yet he’s brought back into the fold and again after 1 game told to leave. These decisions could have been made over the summer. If he had done that he would have also had more room in his budget and a longer period of time to use it. If we kept sh** players on or players who were a nuisance then clearly we wouldn’t have entered the season prepared. But the manager has been around this group for long enough now to know who he wants to keep or who may be disruptive to the morale of the team. The season isn’t decided in the first few games but the season as a whole and that includes the first few. If we were to miss out on let’s say the title by a few points it would be because we were very incompetent leading up to game week 1. I should be able to call the manager out for the way he handles things without people ramming the fact that I don’t like him back as a sole response. I gave him his dues at the end of the season, this is a new one and it’s my opinion that we have started the season with a weaker squad than we finished with in a weaker league. I have yet to see a validated reason for offering a player a contract to then chuck said player under the bus and announce you didn’t want him or whatever just 2 months later. Really? Just had a look through your posts, saw a few congratulating DC for finishing below Barton but...
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 4, 2022 18:32:46 GMT
Surprised Loft hasnt been named with these 3. Comes on and either gives away fouls or the ball every time
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Post by RD on Aug 4, 2022 18:36:00 GMT
Surprised Loft hasnt been named with these 3. Comes on and either gives away fouls or the ball every time I like Lofty but you're absolutely right tbf - if Clarke ain't safe after literally just signing a new 2 year deal, then I am a bit surprised Lofty is still here
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Post by bidefordgas on Aug 4, 2022 18:40:05 GMT
would you prefer the opposite, let them continue training with the others and allow them to find another club at their own leisure even if it takes 'til January to find one? Not sure what's "model pro" about Rodman's shocking injury record since he signed for Rovers, it'll be a brave club who now offers him a contract, other than pay as you play type one. Unless they have an attitude problem, yes. You can’t stop someone training and then expect a club to take them on - their fitness will be shot and they have even less chance of going off the wage bill. I struggle to see how this decision makes people go quicker? If you think Rodman having an injury makes him not a model pro, then that says more about you Topper than Rodman or anyone else Firstly they won't stop training, just not with the first team group. By not training with the group that allows other players I.e youngsters to come into the group and practice first team tactics etc etc and who knows some might break through in the same way Luca did.
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Post by Claremont Gas on Aug 4, 2022 18:40:11 GMT
Surprised Loft hasnt been named with these 3. Comes on and either gives away fouls or the ball every time I like Lofty but you're absolutely right tbf - if Clarke ain't safe after literally just signing a new 2 year deal, then I am a bit surprised Lofty is still here Every time he comes on I am hoping this is the day… He gets fouled a heck of a lot … but I’m not convinced yet he is a L1 player. At risk for January potentially …
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Post by bluebiro on Aug 4, 2022 18:42:16 GMT
The issue is clearly that the manager gave a player a new 2 year contract and then throws him under the bus in the first game of the season and decides he no longer wants him. Westbrooke wasn’t with us last year yet he’s brought back into the fold and again after 1 game told to leave. These decisions could have been made over the summer. If he had done that he would have also had more room in his budget and a longer period of time to use it. If we kept sh** players on or players who were a nuisance then clearly we wouldn’t have entered the season prepared. But the manager has been around this group for long enough now to know who he wants to keep or who may be disruptive to the morale of the team. The season isn’t decided in the first few games but the season as a whole and that includes the first few. If we were to miss out on let’s say the title by a few points it would be because we were very incompetent leading up to game week 1. I should be able to call the manager out for the way he handles things without people ramming the fact that I don’t like him back as a sole response. I gave him his dues at the end of the season, this is a new one and it’s my opinion that we have started the season with a weaker squad than we finished with in a weaker league. I have yet to see a validated reason for offering a player a contract to then chuck said player under the bus and announce you didn’t want him or whatever just 2 months later. Really? Just had a look through your posts, saw a few congratulating DC for finishing below Barton but... if barton won the premier league with us he would still find a negative out of it
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 4, 2022 18:43:13 GMT
Surprised Loft hasnt been named with these 3. Comes on and either gives away fouls or the ball every time I like Lofty but you're absolutely right tbf - if Clarke ain't safe after literally just signing a new 2 year deal, then I am a bit surprised Lofty is still here As you know ive been pro Barton since he got here, but there are conflicting comments coming from him recently. 1 game in and all this "everyone has a clean slate" & "previous performances, good and bad, count for nothing" seems to have gone right out of the window. Hardly anyone came away from the FGR game with any credit if that is the stick thats being used to bash players with.
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Post by 84gas on Aug 4, 2022 18:43:19 GMT
JB is a lot of things but he is not stupid! There is no way that a player who is the only recognised first teamer in that position, who he felt was good enough to hand a 2 year contact only days ago, would have his contract terminated for anything bar a very serious incident he had no choice but to do. If it was anything simply trivial or ‘fineable’ he would be training on his own or even loaned out in the hope another club could improve his attitude for example, All very odd!
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Post by RD on Aug 4, 2022 18:46:18 GMT
Really? Just had a look through your posts, saw a few congratulating DC for finishing below Barton but... if barton won the premier league with us he would still find a negative out of it Think people are being harsh here. First question to ask yourself is whether the post in isolation is fair - I think it is. Is MB extremely vocal in his feelings towards JB - yes. If therefore, he is being unduly harsh, should that be pointed out - yes. But sometimes you need to look past the poster and just focus on the post; I think the post is fair and - had it been posted by a really big JB supporter I don't think anyone would be taking aim, instead they'd probably be agreeing...
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Post by RD on Aug 4, 2022 18:47:34 GMT
I like Lofty but you're absolutely right tbf - if Clarke ain't safe after literally just signing a new 2 year deal, then I am a bit surprised Lofty is still here As you know ive been pro Barton since he got here, but there are conflicting comments coming from him recently. 1 game in and all this "everyone has a clean slate" & "previous performances, good and bad, count for nothing" seems to have gone right out of the window. Hardly anyone came away from the FGR game with any credit if that is the stick thats being used to bash players with. For me I see worrying similarities to what I thought were behind us now. The narccisim seems to be rearing its head again. That said, I've come a long way forward from this time last season so am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt (whereas this time last year I'd have been going mental) - he's banked some goodwill now
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Post by horfield on Aug 4, 2022 18:54:50 GMT
I'm not sure Barton is as clever as he thinks he is, all three players are on contracts, they are not going to move until after the window closes, why should they. Better to hang about and wait for an offer by the club to buy them out of their contracts after the window closes and then move on and negotiate a new deal as a free agent with another club, that's what they did with Max Ehmer. Now then, does the club have the money to bring in 7 new players and find the cash to buy out the unwanted 3 players. That's the question, isn't Rodman the PFA rep at the club, if he is still, then he will know that little game very well and bring the PFA into the room.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Aug 4, 2022 18:56:33 GMT
Although strange regarding Clarke, just remember he offered nothing to us last season so it's hardly a player who was ever present to us! I'm more worried about the fact luca Hoole was playing CB last week as we need him back as RWB IMO!
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