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Post by walter1147 on Aug 22, 2022 19:22:25 GMT
I personally don't dislike Portsmouth, now the referee is another matter, I really really don't like him at all, and not keen on your manager either after trying to get our player sent off, don't mind the fans though Thank you. The Cowley's are not over popular here in many sections because of their antics pitch side. I do agree with you that we will probably miss out this season again but I think the signs are we could make a good go at it. I don't think the clubs main target is promotion anyway with the owners preferring to get the off field operation up to scratch first.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Aug 23, 2022 3:16:55 GMT
I personally don't dislike Portsmouth, now the referee is another matter, I really really don't like him at all, and not keen on your manager either after trying to get our player sent off, don't mind the fans though Thank you. The Cowley's are not over popular here in many sections because of their antics pitch side. I do agree with you that we will probably miss out this season again but I think the signs are we could make a good go at it. I don't think the clubs main target is promotion anyway with the owners preferring to get the off field operation up to scratch first. I always think of Portsmouth as a “proper” football club, a club with an interesting history. We can’t choose the owners of the club we support, and, as you found out, they aren’t always what they seem. I remember seeing a programme about how the fans were keeping the club running, in the aftermath. Look forward to seeing you at The Mem, hopefully we’ll have a half decent referee this time. Best wishes to Thompson (?) for a speedy recovery.
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Post by walter1147 on Aug 23, 2022 8:48:43 GMT
Thank you. The Cowley's are not over popular here in many sections because of their antics pitch side. I do agree with you that we will probably miss out this season again but I think the signs are we could make a good go at it. I don't think the clubs main target is promotion anyway with the owners preferring to get the off field operation up to scratch first. I always think of Portsmouth as a “proper” football club, a club with an interesting history. We can’t choose the owners of the club we support, and, as you found out, they aren’t always what they seem. I remember seeing a programme about how the fans were keeping the club running, in the aftermath. Look forward to seeing you at The Mem, hopefully we’ll have a half decent referee this time. Best wishes to Thompson (?) for a speedy recovery. Hi, Thank you for your kind reply. As you say no clubs supporters have too much say in their clubs owners. However, we did get a vote for our present owners, or at least the Trusts share holders did. When the club came out of administration it was bought by the Portsmouth Supporters Trust which was an organisation of local businesses men and a share issue offered to all Portsmouth supporters at £1000 per share. Several thousand of these shares were taken up, many were individuals while other shares were taken up by syndicates. The board was made up of the high investors (generally local businessmen) but one was an investor who had an agreement on a piece of land that would become available at a later date, to build a supermarket. The new owners held several meetings with supporters groups and offered to buy the club. The problem was that while the Trust kept the club afloat it needed serious investment to keep Fratton Park open. It was in serious depreciation and was costing millions in maintainance. This meant the capacity was dropping, it fell to 16500 and the threat was that it could drop to 10000. This was obviously costing the club not only in maintaining the ground but also in lost revenue. The club could generally pull 18 to 20000 irrespective of what division it is in. At the moment it is around 19000 but that would depend on the away following. Rovers impressive following pushed that close to capacity on Saturday. If we get something like 100 away fans that now means that home supporters can be accommodated in the away end, but at a largely reduced number in that end. The prospective owners said they would not throw money at the playing side which would have to be self financing. They really wanted to keep Fratton Park alive and keep it's uniqueness amongst all the modern stadia being built now. They wanted to build the infrastructure of the club up so that when the club was ready go for promotion. They won the vote, including mine, and are now rebuilding the whole business up and are well underway. I don't think they are quite there yet and I don't think promotion would be particularly welcomed this season. When they are confident that the club is ready I think we will see more in the way of playing investment. The ground will have a capacity back up to around 25 to 30000. The news on Thompson is not so good as it is thought he has a double leg break and will be out until next year. Obviously Portsmouth is my football club but I do have an interest in football in general. I visit as many clubs as I can although I have never been to the Memorial Stadium. I went up to Scotland recently and visited several grounds up there. In Dundee they were exceptionally friendly and we got guided tours round both grounds. I often wonder how people come to support which team in a city that has more than one team. In Dundee they told me it was family tradition which decided where ones loyalties went. Obviously the Rangers/Celtic issue is more religious and political. Can you tell me what is the issue in Bristol? How do you become a City or Rovers fan? Any idea when the ground issue will sorted for Rovers? Is there plans for a new ground or redevelop the present ground?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Aug 23, 2022 10:14:00 GMT
Wow, some of you are not very friendly. I wasn't looking for sympathy for my club as you seem to think. But it would appear you are unable or not interested in civil grown up conversation unless mirrors your views. OK fair enough then I won't lose any sleep about your rudeness, maybe it makes you feel good. There are many good natured posters here so please don’t tar us all with the same brush. I look forward to seeing your team at our place.
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Post by kylegas on Aug 23, 2022 10:31:18 GMT
Given that we’re looking at signing 5 more players in this window I’m curious (as I didn’t watch this game) for the people that did, how many new players would have made a difference to this result? Genuine curious question
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Aug 23, 2022 11:48:06 GMT
Anyways this match doesn't really count according to JAB post match comments.... apparently the season doesn't get going until transfer window closes!!
I wish he'd said something like that before everyone started spending money on what they thought was competitive fixture, only to find out we'd actually bought was a grand experiment.
Smells like summit to me...
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Post by bluegas on Aug 23, 2022 11:59:09 GMT
Given that we’re looking at signing 5 more players in this window I’m curious (as I didn’t watch this game) for the people that did, how many new players would have made a difference to this result? Genuine curious question None. The referee decided it.
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Post by kylegas on Aug 23, 2022 12:14:28 GMT
Given that we’re looking at signing 5 more players in this window I’m curious (as I didn’t watch this game) for the people that did, how many new players would have made a difference to this result? Genuine curious question None. The referee decided it. I’ve seen footage of the fouls for both penalty shouts, I thought the ref got them both right personally 🤷🏻♂️ Was there anything else he did throughout the game? I’ve only seen the brief clips
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 23, 2022 12:32:00 GMT
None. The referee decided it. I’ve seen footage of the fouls for both penalty shouts, I thought the ref got them both right personally 🤷🏻♂️ Was there anything else he did throughout the game? I’ve only seen the brief clips I honestly dont know why Collins decided to leave his left foot for the defender to run into and take the dive. He scored from a similar position v FGR but had more defenders in front of him that day. He should have fancied his chances to score from there at Pompey
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Post by eric on Aug 23, 2022 12:41:44 GMT
I’ve seen footage of the fouls for both penalty shouts, I thought the ref got them both right personally 🤷🏻♂️ Was there anything else he did throughout the game? I’ve only seen the brief clips I honestly dont know why Collins decided to leave his left foot for the defender to run into and take the dive. He scored from a similar position v FGR but had more defenders in front of him that day. He should have fancied his chances to score from there at Pompey To shoot he needed to wrap his foot around the ball. If he’d taken his leg straight back and through any shot would have gone 20 yards wide of goal. His left leg was in a completely natural position for any shot towards goal - the movement of his leg had to be outside of his body. The ref bottled it because he knew he’d have had to red card the defender.
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Post by bluegas on Aug 23, 2022 12:41:50 GMT
None. The referee decided it. I’ve seen footage of the fouls for both penalty shouts, I thought the ref got them both right personally 🤷🏻♂️ Was there anything else he did throughout the game? I’ve only seen the brief clips The guy I went with is, as well as being a Gashead, a referee. He would agree with me that it was not just the two penalty incidents, it was all through the game. Almost everything went Pompey's way. By the law of averages alone that can't be right. As to the penalties - their's was the opposite end in the shadow of the Fratton End. I couldn't see it. Collins was brought down in front of me and it looked a definite penalty. Subsequent video footage shows Collins flicking his foot in an odd way, leading to claims that he deliberately made contact before diving. Whatever - how the referee saw that in real time beats me. While I'm posting - dissappointed to see The News Portsmouth stoking the flames by taking a few innocuous comments by Barton and sensationalising them with words like "menacing". Hey ho.
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Post by It's a song on Aug 23, 2022 12:42:42 GMT
None. The referee decided it. I’ve seen footage of the fouls for both penalty shouts, I thought the ref got them both right personally 🤷🏻♂️ Was there anything else he did throughout the game? I’ve only seen the brief clips Any links to this footage you've seen?
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Post by bluegas on Aug 23, 2022 12:45:53 GMT
I’ve seen footage of the fouls for both penalty shouts, I thought the ref got them both right personally 🤷🏻♂️ Was there anything else he did throughout the game? I’ve only seen the brief clips Any links to this footage you've seen? Sorry, I'm useless with IT, etc.. It has been posted on here though, I think.
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Post by kylegas on Aug 23, 2022 12:53:02 GMT
I’ve seen footage of the fouls for both penalty shouts, I thought the ref got them both right personally 🤷🏻♂️ Was there anything else he did throughout the game? I’ve only seen the brief clips The guy I went with is, as well as being a Gashead, a referee. He would agree with me that it was not just the two penalty incidents, it was all through the game. Almost everything went Pompey's way. By the law of averages alone that can't be right. As to the penalties - their's was the opposite end in the shadow of the Fratton End. I couldn't see it. Collins was brought down in front of me and it looked a definite penalty. Subsequent video footage shows Collins flicking his foot in an odd way, leading to claims that he deliberately made contact before diving. Whatever - how the referee saw that in real time beats me. While I'm posting - dissappointed to see The News Portsmouth stoking the flames by taking a few innocuous comments by Barton and sensationalising them with words like "menacing". Hey ho. Thank you for a good reply that was exactly what I was looking for. I still agree with the penalty decisions after watching the footage several times but 2 decision don’t make a whole game, clearly the ref was very poor throughout
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Post by It's a song on Aug 23, 2022 12:53:38 GMT
Any links to this footage you've seen? Sorry, I'm useless with IT, etc.. It has been posted on here though, I think. No worries, I've just found the Collins one. Probably best I don't comment
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Post by kylegas on Aug 23, 2022 12:54:15 GMT
I’ve seen footage of the fouls for both penalty shouts, I thought the ref got them both right personally 🤷🏻♂️ Was there anything else he did throughout the game? I’ve only seen the brief clips Any links to this footage you've seen? The one on Collins was posted on here wasn’t it? From twitter. The one for their penalty is on the match highlights
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Post by phillistine on Aug 23, 2022 13:07:27 GMT
Any links to this footage you've seen? The one on Collins was posted on here wasn’t it? From twitter. The one for their penalty is on the match highlights Whilst I agree that Collins looked for the penalty the fact is that he was pushed from behind. Why did the defender reach out other than to impede his movement. As soon as the push happened Collkns did exaggerate the fall and dragged his foot but it was still a foul. If nothing else at least Collins will hopefully stop looking for pens as his reputation preceeded him
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Post by lastminutewinner on Aug 23, 2022 13:11:21 GMT
The one on Collins was posted on here wasn’t it? From twitter. The one for their penalty is on the match highlights Whilst I agree that Collins looked for the penalty the fact is that he was pushed from behind. Why did the defender reach out other than to impede his movement. As soon as the push happened Collkns did exaggerate the fall and dragged his foot but it was still a foul. If nothing else at least Collins will hopefully stop looking for pens as his reputation preceeded him Collins goes down too easily, and far too often. While that may be good for his missus, it doesnt help us as they always seem exaggerated and are hardly ever given. It's how football is now though as it almost seems like an art to try and con the ref. Anyone who has seen Barton's play acting in the Burnley V Lincoln game knows that he wont be pulling players in line for trying to seek an advantage.
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Post by bluegas on Aug 23, 2022 13:11:44 GMT
Sorry, I'm useless with IT, etc.. It has been posted on here though, I think. No worries, I've just found the Collins one. Probably best I don't comment Aww, go on!!!!
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Post by bidefordgas on Aug 23, 2022 13:14:21 GMT
I honestly dont know why Collins decided to leave his left foot for the defender to run into and take the dive. He scored from a similar position v FGR but had more defenders in front of him that day. He should have fancied his chances to score from there at Pompey To shoot he needed to wrap his foot around the ball. If he’d taken his leg straight back and through any shot would have gone 20 yards wide of goal. His left leg was in a completely natural position for any shot towards goal - the movement of his leg had to be outside of his body. The ref bottled it because he knew he’d have had to red card the defender. Spot on Eric, Collins had done all the hard work, was clear of their final man and just about to finish it. I don't buy all this hanging the leg out, he was clearly tripped from behind and the homer ref bottled it for the umphteen time in the game.
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