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Post by onedaygas83 on Sept 17, 2022 20:10:02 GMT
5 goals in 7 for port Vale now. League one is his level and DC getting the best out of him yet again. Not saying we should have had a go at bringing him back to us but thought it was worth a mention.
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Post by gonzales on Sept 18, 2022 7:41:33 GMT
It sure is, I’ve not been following the league very closely so wasn’t aware, great start from the lad. Can only ever wish him, DC and by default Port Vale all the best. Except when we play them.
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2022 8:04:53 GMT
5 goals in 7 for port Vale now. League one is his level and DC getting the best out of him yet again. Not saying we should have had a go at bringing him back to us but thought it was worth a mention. Oh for decent recruitment and subsequent management so far this season.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 18, 2022 8:41:25 GMT
Certainly, would have welcomed ELLIS back, seem to remember him being excellent defensively as well when needed, an attribute we could certainly do with at the moment.
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Post by Quarters on Sept 18, 2022 9:34:57 GMT
Ah Ellis, we will have posters telling us he was crap and others saying he was sold too cheaply. A player to cause a wild diverse set of opinions.
Expect someone to say he will not get 10 goals this season.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 18, 2022 10:08:58 GMT
5 goals in 7 for port Vale now. League one is his level and DC getting the best out of him yet again. Not saying we should have had a go at bringing him back to us but thought it was worth a mention. Oh for decent recruitment and subsequent management so far this season. Very easy AFTER the event to say this- on paper Marquis would have been the better signing but that at the moment is not the case. Maybe Ellis would not have wanted to come back here? Its easy to blame JB without knowing the circumstances- Would you want to come and play at Billy Smarts circus? It cannot be easy persuading players to come to the Mem and I think JB has done a magnicent job with the majority of his signings and will do again as the season goes on. Things are not won or lost in Septenber!!
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2022 10:14:24 GMT
Oh for decent recruitment and subsequent management so far this season. Very easy AFTER the event to say this- on paper Marquis would have been the better signing but that at the moment is not the case. Maybe Ellis would not have wanted to come back here? Its easy to blame JB without knowing the circumstances- Would you want to come and play at Billy Smarts circus? It cannot be easy persuading players to come to the Mem and I think JB has done a magnicent job with the majority of his signings and will do again as the season goes on. Things are not won or lost in Septenber!! You are conflating the point. All I ask for is decent recruitment, not half the new players to be injury prone or already injured. And, decent consistent management, which we are not getting. I tire of the hyperbole and hubris and pseudo intellectual comments.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 18, 2022 10:23:16 GMT
Oldie, The time to judge the recruitment is the end of the season. Take for instance Coburn- if when fit he goes on to score a lot of goals this season then he will be an amazing signing- the truth is that had he been fully fit at the transfer deadline then we would not have got him but JB was prepared to take a chance now and get him for the season knowing if we waited to January he would go elsewhere. Its a risk. Its early days and players form changes and some new signings take a while to settle in.
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Post by The Equaliser on Sept 18, 2022 10:27:15 GMT
Very easy AFTER the event to say this- on paper Marquis would have been the better signing but that at the moment is not the case. Maybe Ellis would not have wanted to come back here? Its easy to blame JB without knowing the circumstances- Would you want to come and play at Billy Smarts circus? It cannot be easy persuading players to come to the Mem and I think JB has done a magnicent job with the majority of his signings and will do again as the season goes on. Things are not won or lost in Septenber!! You are conflating the point. All I ask for is decent recruitment, not half the new players to be injury prone or already injured. And, decent consistent management, which we are not getting. I tire of the hyperbole and hubris and pseudo intellectual comments.How ironic 😂
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2022 10:43:49 GMT
You are conflating the point. All I ask for is decent recruitment, not half the new players to be injury prone or already injured. And, decent consistent management, which we are not getting. I tire of the hyperbole and hubris and pseudo intellectual comments.How ironic 😂 Actually that's quite funny...well it might of been if I had opined on topics that Barton has.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 18, 2022 10:54:00 GMT
Very easy AFTER the event to say this- on paper Marquis would have been the better signing but that at the moment is not the case. Maybe Ellis would not have wanted to come back here? Its easy to blame JB without knowing the circumstances- Would you want to come and play at Billy Smarts circus? It cannot be easy persuading players to come to the Mem and I think JB has done a magnicent job with the majority of his signings and will do again as the season goes on. Things are not won or lost in Septenber!! You are conflating the point. All I ask for is decent recruitment, not half the new players to be injury prone or already injured. And, decent consistent management, which we are not getting. I tire of the hyperbole and hubris and pseudo intellectual comments. Last season you were banging on with the same moans , we got promoted.
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2022 10:59:38 GMT
Oldie, The time to judge the recruitment is the end of the season. Take for instance Coburn- if when fit he goes on to score a lot of goals this season then he will be an amazing signing- the truth is that had he been fully fit at the transfer deadline then we would not have got him but JB was prepared to take a chance now and get him for the season knowing if we waited to January he would go elsewhere. Its a risk. Its early days and players form changes and some new signings take a while to settle in. Yes I do understand that. But Coburn aside, ok maybe include Thomas at CB, who was a really an exciting potential prospect? But let's agree on that point. It being true, whilst you wait, as manager, for these players to become available, wouldn't it be wise to field teams to grind out games, accumulate draws at least? Not send out a disjointed, ill prepared team that subsequently conceded 6 goals at home. A point excaserbated by Barton's inability to change anything when it was clearly going so badly wrong. I agree there is time still to sort this, this season. I just hope we are not in a very difficult situation in February fighting relegation. Then our best player is tempted away next summer (Collins), Wael cashes in on his value and all the loan players leave. Cue another desperate recruitment round next summer, and so it goes on.
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2022 11:01:00 GMT
You are conflating the point. All I ask for is decent recruitment, not half the new players to be injury prone or already injured. And, decent consistent management, which we are not getting. I tire of the hyperbole and hubris and pseudo intellectual comments. Last season you were banging on with the same moans , we got promoted. A bit of judicious luck in January, not a carefully conceived plan.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 18, 2022 11:10:41 GMT
Personally I don’t think we’re too far off . We’re pretty good as an attacking force but we’re porous at the back . We’re playing a couple of players ( Kilgour , Clarke , Westbrooke ) who obviously aren’t in the long term plans and are not rated by the manager ….. but desperate times call for desperate measures . We’ve got four of five probable first team starters injured. If you’re trying to stamp a style of play on a team , expansive free flowing attacking football but then get a few injuries and then try and play turgid defensive football to grind out a few results it can upset the balance long term . Sticks to your guns and see how things go when you’ve got your big guns back .
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 18, 2022 11:39:45 GMT
Last season you were banging on with the same moans , we got promoted. A bit of judicious luck in January, not a carefully conceived plan. JB had previously said that we would start to see what the squad was really capable of around January, when players had had time to gel, and some coming back from injury. He was right. Our fitness regime also paid dividends as the season wore on, we didn't tire in the last 15 minutes, as was previously the case.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 18, 2022 11:43:42 GMT
A bit of judicious luck in January, not a carefully conceived plan. JB had previously said that we would start to see what the squad was really capable of around January, when players had had time to gel, and some coming back from injury. He was right. Our fitness regime also paid dividends as the season wore on, we didn't tire in the last 15 minutes, as was previously the case. I think this is an area thats now a level playing field with the number of subs that can be brought on. We lost any advantage of being a fit squad when the opposition can just throw a few players on and still have some spare. I hate the new rule, games have the air of pre-season matches these days with so many changes to the XI
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 18, 2022 12:15:00 GMT
Oldie, The time to judge the recruitment is the end of the season. Take for instance Coburn- if when fit he goes on to score a lot of goals this season then he will be an amazing signing- the truth is that had he been fully fit at the transfer deadline then we would not have got him but JB was prepared to take a chance now and get him for the season knowing if we waited to January he would go elsewhere. Its a risk. Its early days and players form changes and some new signings take a while to settle in. Yes I do understand that. But Coburn aside, ok maybe include Thomas at CB, who was a really an exciting potential prospect? But let's agree on that point. It being true, whilst you wait, as manager, for these players to become available, wouldn't it be wise to field teams to grind out games, accumulate draws at least? Not send out a disjointed, ill prepared team that subsequently conceded 6 goals at home. A point excaserbated by Barton's inability to change anything when it was clearly going so badly wrong. I agree there is time still to sort this, this season. I just hope we are not in a very difficult situation in February fighting relegation. Then our best player is tempted away next summer (Collins), Wael cashes in on his value and all the loan players leave. Cue another desperate recruitment round next summer, and so it goes on.To be honest this is pretty much the same for a lot of clubs these days where rebuilds are done in the summer. Many now rely on loan players and starting XI's usually have a few loanees playing who become integral to the team (i.e Diamond Yesterday for LIncoln). Just look at Mk Dons, they missed out in the play offs then lost Twine, Parrot and Darling and now find themselves currently only 2 points ahead of us.
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Post by eric on Sept 18, 2022 12:30:14 GMT
5 goals in 7 for port Vale now. League one is his level and DC getting the best out of him yet again. Not saying we should have had a go at bringing him back to us but thought it was worth a mention. Oh for decent recruitment and subsequent management so far this season. If JB did recruit ‘decently’ you’d then just rubbish it and say he got lucky.
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2022 12:45:19 GMT
Oh for decent recruitment and subsequent management so far this season. If JB did recruit ‘decently’ you’d then just rubbish it and say he got lucky. Don't be childish Eric.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 18, 2022 13:10:53 GMT
Ironically one of the biggest crocked strikers in the football league currently has 3 goals in 5 games for FGR
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