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Post by eric on Sept 18, 2022 13:16:46 GMT
If JB did recruit ‘decently’ you’d then just rubbish it and say he got lucky. Don't be childish Eric. I thought it was a fair observation. Eliot Anderson will be widely regarded as one of our best signings in decades and yet you didn’t want to give JB any credit and called it luck, I can only conclude its due to your dislike for him as a person as pretty much everyone else thought it was a master stroke. It’s hard to see what JB could do in terms of recruitment that would satisfy you.
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Post by eric on Sept 18, 2022 13:19:07 GMT
Ironically one of the biggest crocked strikers in the football league currently has 3 goals in 5 games for FGR I noticed that he had scored again yesterday and managed 90 minutes! Perhaps we should sign more players with injury records!!
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2022 13:36:02 GMT
I thought it was a fair observation. Eliot Anderson will be widely regarded as one of our best signings in decades and yet you didn’t want to give JB any credit and called it luck, I can only conclude its due to your dislike for him as a person as pretty much everyone else thought it was a master stroke. It’s hard to see what JB could do in terms of recruitment that would satisfy you. Not recruit already injured players, or players with a terrible record of injuries. Masterstroke? I put it to you that Anderson was a player not on our radar at the start of January and Newcastle wanted him to go to a club higher up the food chain. For some reason that didn't happen, I guess because those clubs (higher up the food chain) did not have Anderson on their radar either. For whatever reason. That he turned out brilliantly for us was not part of some grand master plan I would suggest, but an act of great fortune. That happens and every organisation needs a bit of luck for sure. But to pretend it was some grand master plan is akin to having blind faith in a god. Or cult. But let's see how this pans out this season, maybe we will get another stroke of luck / master plan (take your pick) and recruit another of similar calibre to Anderson. The chances being??
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2022 13:38:08 GMT
Ironically one of the biggest crocked strikers in the football league currently has 3 goals in 5 games for FGR I noticed that he had scored again yesterday and managed 90 minutes! Perhaps we should sign more players with injury records!! Maybe their manager is a better judge?
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Post by yattongas on Sept 18, 2022 13:44:24 GMT
I thought it was a fair observation. Eliot Anderson will be widely regarded as one of our best signings in decades and yet you didn’t want to give JB any credit and called it luck, I can only conclude its due to your dislike for him as a person as pretty much everyone else thought it was a master stroke. It’s hard to see what JB could do in terms of recruitment that would satisfy you. Not recruit already injured players, or players with a terrible record of injuries. Masterstroke? I put it to you that Anderson was a player not on our radar at the start of January and Newcastle wanted him to go to a club higher up the food chain. For some reason that didn't happen, I guess because those clubs (higher up the food chain) did not have Anderson on their radar either. For whatever reason. That he turned out brilliantly for us was not part of some grand master plan I would suggest, but an act of great fortune. That happens and every organisation needs a bit of luck for sure. But to pretend it was some grand master plan is akin to having blind faith in a god. Or cult. But let's see how this pans out this season, maybe we will get another stroke of luck / master plan (take your pick) and recruit another of similar calibre to Anderson. The chances being?? Does he get any credit for Connor Taylor & James Connolly ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2022 13:46:22 GMT
You are conflating the point. All I ask for is decent recruitment, not half the new players to be injury prone or already injured. And, decent consistent management, which we are not getting. I tire of the hyperbole and hubris and pseudo intellectual comments. Last season you were banging on with the same moans , we got promoted. And the season before and we got relegated.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 18, 2022 13:47:48 GMT
Last season you were banging on with the same moans , we got promoted. And the season before and we got relegated. With somebody’s else’s players.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2022 13:50:42 GMT
And the season before and we got relegated. With somebody’s else’s players. No excuses this season then.
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Post by oldie on Sept 18, 2022 13:53:18 GMT
Not recruit already injured players, or players with a terrible record of injuries. Masterstroke? I put it to you that Anderson was a player not on our radar at the start of January and Newcastle wanted him to go to a club higher up the food chain. For some reason that didn't happen, I guess because those clubs (higher up the food chain) did not have Anderson on their radar either. For whatever reason. That he turned out brilliantly for us was not part of some grand master plan I would suggest, but an act of great fortune. That happens and every organisation needs a bit of luck for sure. But to pretend it was some grand master plan is akin to having blind faith in a god. Or cult. But let's see how this pans out this season, maybe we will get another stroke of luck / master plan (take your pick) and recruit another of similar calibre to Anderson. The chances being?? Does he get any credit for Connor Taylor & James Connolly ? Yes, in my book. They helped make us a solid L2 team, eventually. But it was Anderson who turned us into a promotion team.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 18, 2022 13:56:17 GMT
With somebody’s else’s players. No excuses this season then. Yep , just a bit early to write the season off just yet.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 18, 2022 13:57:03 GMT
Does he get any credit for Connor Taylor & James Connolly ? Yes, in my book. They helped make us a solid L2 team, eventually. But it was Anderson who turned us into a promotion team. Agreed he was the difference getting us over the line.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 18, 2022 14:17:27 GMT
One player can never make a team only improve it. The same way it only takes three or 4 players to be below par in performance and the team is heavily affected. I am sure yesterday the plan was for Hoole to be the centre half who did most of the ball winning and Whelan was there to clear up behind and start us attacking. As it turned out Hoole had an absolute stinker from the word go and Whelan was left.I am not saying Whelan had a good game but he did a lot of what he was there for.Winning the ball in the air was never the intention.
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Sept 18, 2022 14:29:54 GMT
Certainly, would have welcomed ELLIS back, seem to remember him being excellent defensively as well when needed, an attribute we could certainly do with at the moment. Good defensively but most of the goals we've conceded were from open play not set pieces. He would have been another option but Collins and Loft are currently doing the business
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Sept 18, 2022 16:11:59 GMT
I noticed that he had scored again yesterday and managed 90 minutes! Perhaps we should sign more players with injury records!! Maybe their manager is a better judge? Maybe JB is a better judge than the managers of the clubs who declined to take Elliot Anderson on loan - or do these things not work both ways in your world?
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Post by Quarters on Sept 18, 2022 16:43:17 GMT
Maybe their manager is a better judge? Maybe JB is a better judge than the managers of the clubs who declined to take Elliot Anderson on loan - or do these things not work both ways in your world? JB was surprised how good he was when he arrived. He got the coaching team to watch Billy Elliott in training. So don't give JB all the credit. All we did was give him a platform to play on. No other club was prepared to guarantee game time. We gambled and said yes. So we were lucky.
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Post by eric on Sept 18, 2022 16:51:37 GMT
Maybe JB is a better judge than the managers of the clubs who declined to take Elliot Anderson on loan - or do these things not work both ways in your world? JB was surprised how good he was when he arrived. He got the coaching team to watch Billy Elliott in training. So don't give JB all the credit. All we did was give him a platform to play on. No other club was prepared to guarantee game time. We gambled and said yes. So we were lucky. Sounds like when a signing comes off JB was lucky. If a signing doesn’t work out it’s his fault. Doesn’t seem very fair.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 18, 2022 16:57:57 GMT
Luck is where ability meets opportunity.
EA had the ability, we gave him the opportunity or JB had the ability to choose the right loanee from however many he was looking at and EA took the opportunity.
Whichever way doesn't matter, it worked. As Arnold Palmer said, 'The more I practice, the luckier I get.'
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Post by eric on Sept 18, 2022 17:14:39 GMT
Luck is where ability meets opportunity. EA had the ability, we gave him the opportunity or JB had the ability to choose the right loanee from however many he was looking at and EA took the opportunity. Whichever way doesn't matter, it worked. As Arnold Palmer said, 'The more I practice, the luckier I get.' I think it was Gary Player 😁
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 18, 2022 17:33:29 GMT
Luck is where ability meets opportunity. EA had the ability, we gave him the opportunity or JB had the ability to choose the right loanee from however many he was looking at and EA took the opportunity. Whichever way doesn't matter, it worked. As Arnold Palmer said, 'The more I practice, the luckier I get.' I think it was Gary Player 😁 optimisticquotes.org/the-harder-i-practice-the-luckier-i-get/😉
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Post by Quarters on Sept 18, 2022 19:00:44 GMT
JB was surprised how good he was when he arrived. He got the coaching team to watch Billy Elliott in training. So don't give JB all the credit. All we did was give him a platform to play on. No other club was prepared to guarantee game time. We gambled and said yes. So we were lucky. Sounds like when a signing comes off JB was lucky. If a signing doesn’t work out it’s his fault. Doesn’t seem very fair. Really is that what you take from it? Some of these posts ate suggesting that it's JB's brilliance that signed Billy, not true.
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