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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 21, 2023 22:56:34 GMT
"Labour are clear that they would not include a consent clause in the conversion therapy ban."
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 21, 2023 23:07:13 GMT
Ben Wallace was touted to become the next Nato Secretary General, not going to happen now with France and the US not keen.
There is a defence review to be announced shortly, watch out for more reductions dressed up as improvements.
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Post by aghast on Jun 22, 2023 0:17:36 GMT
I've always winced when I've read the latest retrograde Tory proposals to halt the inevitable tide of social progress and justice, but I understood that some people would continue to vote for them because they offered things that Labour and the Lib Dems couldn't and wouldn't, like tax cuts for the rich and immigration controls, which appeal to a certain demographic.
Now that they offer nothing but incompetence, corruption, lies, tax evasion, fraud, soaring inflation (always a key one to stop for Maggie T), broken and false promises about the NHS and immigration, economic isolation and general decline, I'm struggling to see the appeal.
Still, whatever floats your boat.
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Post by francegas on Jun 22, 2023 8:27:39 GMT
Whilst I get the point he is making his figures are flawed. The average salary 2023 is £33000 and not £26000 but his point still stands. However I don't understand his last sentence as no one borrowed 11 x their salary on their mortgage. No high street lender has ever done that. The increase in interest rates is going to affect those who have a variable rate mortgage and those who have a fixed rate coming to an end (as well as first time buyers). Those borrowers would have only been able to borrow roughly the same multiples as we could back in the 90s.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 22, 2023 11:59:30 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Jun 22, 2023 16:14:07 GMT
I've always winced when I've read the latest retrograde Tory proposals to halt the inevitable tide of social progress and justice, but I understood that some people would continue to vote for them because they offered things that Labour and the Lib Dems couldn't and wouldn't, like tax cuts for the rich and immigration controls, which appeal to a certain demographic. Now that they offer nothing but incompetence, corruption, lies, tax evasion, fraud, soaring inflation (always a key one to stop for Maggie T), broken and false promises about the NHS and immigration, economic isolation and general decline, I'm struggling to see the appeal. Still, whatever floats your boat. Guess the core voters they still hold onto at 25-30% are the same as the 30% who live mortgage free , basically the baby boomers and older . Great for them that they’ll now also get higher interest rates on their savings . Just everyone else who is shafted . crisis …..what crisis ? 🙄🇬🇧
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Post by francegas on Jun 22, 2023 20:46:53 GMT
Don't know how to post a twitter posting but my god there are some vile individuals on the left that want to politicise a tragedy.
Posted by Ash Sarkar (Those who read the Guardian would know her)
"If the super-rich can spend £250,000 on vanity jaunts 2.4 miles beneath the ocean then they're not being taxed enough."
When a father was potentially watching his son die slowly in front of him she posts this. As I say what a vile individual.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 22, 2023 20:57:55 GMT
Don't know how to post a twitter posting but my god there are some vile individuals on the left that want to politicise a tragedy. Posted by Ash Sarkar (Those who read the Guardian would know her) "If the super-rich can spend £250,000 on vanity jaunts 2.4 miles beneath the ocean then they're not being taxed enough." When a father was potentially watching his son die slowly in front of him she posts this. As I say what a vile individual. I’m sure you and others on the right were absolutely horrified about the boat that went down off the coast of Greece and the other one that went down near Tenerife that were full of 100’s of migrants . I remember reading all those comments from you and the right wing loons …. Oh hang on 🙄
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Post by francegas on Jun 22, 2023 21:04:21 GMT
Don't know how to post a twitter posting but my god there are some vile individuals on the left that want to politicise a tragedy. Posted by Ash Sarkar (Those who read the Guardian would know her) "If the super-rich can spend £250,000 on vanity jaunts 2.4 miles beneath the ocean then they're not being taxed enough." When a father was potentially watching his son die slowly in front of him she posts this. As I say what a vile individual. I’m sure you and others on the right were absolutely horrified about the boat that went down off the coast of Greece and the other one that went down near Tenerife that were full of 100’s of migrants . I remember reading all those comments from you and the right wing loons …. Oh hang on 🙄 Typical response from you and the left wing loons 🙄 Just trawled back and I can't find all the posts from you either about the tragedy in Greece !!
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Post by yattongas on Jun 22, 2023 21:08:44 GMT
I’m sure you and others on the right were absolutely horrified about the boat that went down off the coast of Greece and the other one that went down near Tenerife that were full of 100’s of migrants . I remember reading all those comments from you and the right wing loons …. Oh hang on 🙄 Typical response from you and the left wing loons 🙄 Just trawled back and I can't find all the posts from you either about the tragedy in Greece !! Not on here , no . But you post attacking a comment from somebody from the left who rightfully expresses dismay at the coverage 5 people drowning got compared to 100’s of migrants drowning. Can you not see the hypocrisy ?
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Post by francegas on Jun 22, 2023 21:16:33 GMT
Typical response from you and the left wing loons 🙄 Just trawled back and I can't find all the posts from you either about the tragedy in Greece !! Not on here , no . But you post attacking a comment from somebody from the left who rightfully expresses dismay at the coverage 5 people drowning got compared to 100’s of migrants drowning. Can you not see the hypocrisy ? But she's not comparing the two instances in her tweet. She's going on about taxation of the wealthy.
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Post by harlaxtonblue on Jun 22, 2023 21:30:00 GMT
I've always winced when I've read the latest retrograde Tory proposals to halt the inevitable tide of social progress and justice, but I understood that some people would continue to vote for them because they offered things that Labour and the Lib Dems couldn't and wouldn't, like tax cuts for the rich and immigration controls, which appeal to a certain demographic. Now that they offer nothing but incompetence, corruption, lies, tax evasion, fraud, soaring inflation (always a key one to stop for Maggie T), broken and false promises about the NHS and immigration, economic isolation and general decline, I'm struggling to see the appeal. Still, whatever floats your boat. Yes let’s vote for the commies , rayner shouting scum & claiming for 2 sets of air pods on expenses , reeves flying business class , stammer putting Watson into the lords , abbot saying only black people can be subject to racism , then a endless list with the whip took on for being dirty perverts etc etc ,never mind the ira / hamas love in , McDonnell saying a Tory mp should be hanged I’ve no issue what you say about the tories , but to suggest the commies are any different is for the birds Blair killed 1,000s , should of been up on war crimes
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Post by oldie on Jun 22, 2023 21:37:09 GMT
I've always winced when I've read the latest retrograde Tory proposals to halt the inevitable tide of social progress and justice, but I understood that some people would continue to vote for them because they offered things that Labour and the Lib Dems couldn't and wouldn't, like tax cuts for the rich and immigration controls, which appeal to a certain demographic. Now that they offer nothing but incompetence, corruption, lies, tax evasion, fraud, soaring inflation (always a key one to stop for Maggie T), broken and false promises about the NHS and immigration, economic isolation and general decline, I'm struggling to see the appeal. Still, whatever floats your boat. Yes let’s vote for the commies , rayner shouting scum & claiming for 2 sets of air pods on expenses , reeves flying business class , stammer putting Watson into the lords , abbot saying only black people can be subject to racism , then a endless list with the whip took on for being dirty perverts etc etc ,never mind the ira / hamas love in , McDonnell saying a Tory mp should be hanged I’ve no issue what you say about the tories , but to suggest the commies are any different is for the birds Blair killed 1,000s , should of been up on war crimes Comedy gold...You would think that any normal human being would reflect, when they read back, on writing such drivel and how they appear as a result
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Post by yattongas on Jun 22, 2023 21:47:04 GMT
Not on here , no . But you post attacking a comment from somebody from the left who rightfully expresses dismay at the coverage 5 people drowning got compared to 100’s of migrants drowning. Can you not see the hypocrisy ? But she's not comparing the two instances in her tweet. She's going on about taxation of the wealthy. She’s right on that as well .
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 22, 2023 21:48:46 GMT
Don't know how to post a twitter posting but my god there are some vile individuals on the left that want to politicise a tragedy. Posted by Ash Sarkar (Those who read the Guardian would know her) "If the super-rich can spend £250,000 on vanity jaunts 2.4 miles beneath the ocean then they're not being taxed enough." When a father was potentially watching his son die slowly in front of him she posts this. As I say what a vile individual. She used to be alright to listen to but she's really gone on one recently, including Politics Live where she would normally sound plausible. Definitely poor taste here.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 22, 2023 21:51:40 GMT
But she's not comparing the two instances in her tweet. She's going on about taxation of the wealthy. She’s right on that as well . The main points about wasting money on vanity jaunts or lack of comparison with migrant boats are fine but the context is distasteful and risks losing the argument. Poor timing imo.
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Post by yattongas on Jun 22, 2023 21:56:05 GMT
She’s right on that as well . The main points about wasting money on vanity jaunts or lack of comparison with migrant boats are fine but the context is distasteful and risks losing the argument. Poor timing imo. Poor taste yes , the crux of what she is saying is right though. Never been a fan of hers as she’s far too left for me but there’s nutters on both extremes.
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Post by aghast on Jun 22, 2023 22:01:09 GMT
I've always winced when I've read the latest retrograde Tory proposals to halt the inevitable tide of social progress and justice, but I understood that some people would continue to vote for them because they offered things that Labour and the Lib Dems couldn't and wouldn't, like tax cuts for the rich and immigration controls, which appeal to a certain demographic. Now that they offer nothing but incompetence, corruption, lies, tax evasion, fraud, soaring inflation (always a key one to stop for Maggie T), broken and false promises about the NHS and immigration, economic isolation and general decline, I'm struggling to see the appeal. Still, whatever floats your boat. Yes let’s vote for the commies , rayner shouting scum & claiming for 2 sets of air pods on expenses , reeves flying business class , stammer putting Watson into the lords , abbot saying only black people can be subject to racism , then a endless list with the whip took on for being dirty perverts etc etc ,never mind the ira / hamas love in , McDonnell saying a Tory mp should be hanged I’ve no issue what you say about the tories , but to suggest the commies are any different is for the birds Blair killed 1,000s , should of been up on war crimes Why do you keep calling them commies? If you are actually a real poster, which I am unsure about, why are you using terms last bandied about in the 80s? I mean they are clearly not communists. You know that and I know that. We all know that. You can disagree with someone as a fellow human being without calling them a rat, because they clearly aren't actually a rat. Well apart from Boris and half the Tory party.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 22, 2023 22:02:44 GMT
The main points about wasting money on vanity jaunts or lack of comparison with migrant boats are fine but the context is distasteful and risks losing the argument. Poor timing imo. Poor taste yes , the crux of what she is saying is right though. Never been a fan of hers as she’s far too left for me but there’s nutters on both extremes. Which is what I was getting at. Rather than people thinking she has a point, the focus will be on the taste of the tweet. Her points will be lost in the response which you can see from the twitter thread itself. Nutters on both ends of the political spectrum, welcome to each other.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 22, 2023 22:03:38 GMT
Yes let’s vote for the commies , rayner shouting scum & claiming for 2 sets of air pods on expenses , reeves flying business class , stammer putting Watson into the lords , abbot saying only black people can be subject to racism , then a endless list with the whip took on for being dirty perverts etc etc ,never mind the ira / hamas love in , McDonnell saying a Tory mp should be hanged I’ve no issue what you say about the tories , but to suggest the commies are any different is for the birds Blair killed 1,000s , should of been up on war crimes Why do you keep calling them commies? If you are actually a real poster, which I am unsure about, why are you using terms last bandied about in the 80s? I mean they are clearly not communists. You know that and I know that. We all know that. You can disagree with someone as a fellow human being without calling them a rat, because they clearly aren't actually a rat. Well apart from Boris and half the Tory party. Looking for a rise and trolling.
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