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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 20, 2023 14:14:06 GMT
To be fair, I think he does. His dad and wife are big on environmental issues. His dad was big on the EU but he ditched that quickly enough ! I knew you'd say that. 😉 No, I still think he's genuinely interested, Carrie would certainly have held his feet to the fire on this.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 20, 2023 14:15:48 GMT
His dad was big on the EU but he ditched that quickly enough ! I knew you'd say that. 😉 No, I still think he's genuinely interested, Carrie would certainly have held his feet to the fire on this. We’ll have to agree to disagree then ! 😂 I don’t think he thinks of anyone but himself and certainly not the environment.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 20, 2023 14:30:53 GMT
I knew you'd say that. 😉 No, I still think he's genuinely interested, Carrie would certainly have held his feet to the fire on this. We’ll have to agree to disagree then ! 😂 I don’t think he thinks of anyone but himself and certainly not the environment. When Boris is the voice of reason, then things are pretty bad. I can see this blowing up in Sunak's face here if he handles this poorly. It wouldn't surprise me to hear about resignations or letters going to Sir Graham Brady.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 20, 2023 14:46:20 GMT
We’ll have to agree to disagree then ! 😂 I don’t think he thinks of anyone but himself and certainly not the environment. When Boris is the voice of reason, then things are pretty bad. I can see this blowing up in Sunak's face here if he handles this poorly. It wouldn't surprise me to hear about resignations or letters going to Sir Graham Brady. His party is imploding around him , nutters to the right like Truss and the few one nation Tories . Not sure how he holds it together. Is this just a case of throwing some red meat to the loons before the party conference?
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 20, 2023 14:57:11 GMT
When Boris is the voice of reason, then things are pretty bad. I can see this blowing up in Sunak's face here if he handles this poorly. It wouldn't surprise me to hear about resignations or letters going to Sir Graham Brady. His party is imploding around him , nutters to the right like Truss and the few one nation Tories . Not sure how he holds it together. Is this just a case of throwing some red meat to the loons before the party conference? That's the only plausible explanation I can think of for this, however it seems it's him telling Cabinet and there has been little debate within government. That would explain the 'why now' bit, not sure it explains the almost dictatorial method of deciding. Why upset colleagues at this point, he could easily have saved it for Conference. The Speaker won't be happy either announcing government policy without informing Parliament first.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 20, 2023 18:17:03 GMT
Interesting poll just now on channel 4 news.
More likely to vote Tory after todays Sunak announcement
No change 47% More likely 12.8% less likely 42.2%
What a numpty ! 🙄😂
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Post by supergas on Sept 21, 2023 11:05:39 GMT
supergas said he’s voted green in the past , wonder what his thoughts are on this ? Only if you misread what I wrote or I made a horrendous typo... ....if I'm talking about who I have voted for I tell the truth - the best candidate who will support the best policies... ...so at Local and General Elections that has included Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem and Independent candidates. Never Greens for both policy and personality reasons.... ...as for my thoughts on the announcement, I think it's bad politics around how and when it was announced, but it will probably play out ok in the long run - when the initial objectives and timescales were set it all looked a bit optimistic, Sunak has probably given Labour a much easier first-term when they win the next election, and whilst countries like India, China, Brazil and many smaller nations continue to (effectively) do what they want to grow their economies with little or no concern for the environment, we're still at a point where small delays by countries already doing the right things will not be the biggest problem...
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Post by supergas on Sept 21, 2023 11:09:42 GMT
...Coutts themselves wrote a report suggesting his account(s) were being closed because of his views on subjects like Trump and LBGTQ+ issues... ...to be honest I'm surprised the FCA didn't read that and/or pay more attention to it... You don’t take the regulator’s word for it but would rather take Farage’s ? Ok 🙄 ...the regulator has said one thing, the bank's leaked document says something different... ...not sure what part of this is tripping you up, but I can spell it out - the regulator is not fit for purpose and has reached a conclusion without looking at very clear and public facts....
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Post by yattongas on Sept 21, 2023 13:58:32 GMT
supergas said he’s voted green in the past , wonder what his thoughts are on this ? Only if you misread what I wrote or I made a horrendous typo... ....if I'm talking about who I have voted for I tell the truth - the best candidate who will support the best policies... ...so at Local and General Elections that has included Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem and Independent candidates. Never Greens for both policy and personality reasons.... ...as for my thoughts on the announcement, I think it's bad politics around how and when it was announced, but it will probably play out ok in the long run - when the initial objectives and timescales were set it all looked a bit optimistic, Sunak has probably given Labour a much easier first-term when they win the next election, and whilst countries like India, China, Brazil and many smaller nations continue to (effectively) do what they want to grow their economies with little or no concern for the environment, we're still at a point where small delays by countries already doing the right things will not be the biggest problem... Yeah sorry it was Labour (twice) and Libdem that you said you’d voted for in the past , my mistake. We’ve off-shored most of our carbon producing products we need to countries like China , who incidentally are moving very fast on renewables so they are making an effort. Think their emissions due to peek in 2030 then hopefully reduce in time.
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Post by yattongas on Sept 21, 2023 13:59:27 GMT
You don’t take the regulator’s word for it but would rather take Farage’s ? Ok 🙄 ...the regulator has said one thing, the bank's leaked document says something different... ...not sure what part of this is tripping you up, but I can spell it out - the regulator is not fit for purpose and has reached a conclusion without looking at very clear and public facts.... So you’ve decided the regulator is not fit for purpose. Ok 👍
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Post by aghast on Sept 21, 2023 21:07:43 GMT
Only if you misread what I wrote or I made a horrendous typo... ....if I'm talking about who I have voted for I tell the truth - the best candidate who will support the best policies... ...so at Local and General Elections that has included Conservative, Labour, Lib Dem and Independent candidates. Never Greens for both policy and personality reasons.... ...as for my thoughts on the announcement, I think it's bad politics around how and when it was announced, but it will probably play out ok in the long run - when the initial objectives and timescales were set it all looked a bit optimistic, Sunak has probably given Labour a much easier first-term when they win the next election, and whilst countries like India, China, Brazil and many smaller nations continue to (effectively) do what they want to grow their economies with little or no concern for the environment, we're still at a point where small delays by countries already doing the right things will not be the biggest problem... Yeah sorry it was Labour (twice) and Libdem that you said you’d voted for in the past , my mistake. We’ve off-shored most of our carbon producing products we need to countries like China , who incidentally are moving very fast on renewables so they are making an effort. Think their emissions due to peek in 2030 then hopefully reduce in time. I can't help but feel very sceptical about any carbon emission statements made by China. They're not exactly going to allow the inspectors in for a full and frank disclosure. And there is of course India waiting in the wings to become the new China as the latter's green policies and labour and production costs rise. Emissions galore! We're just shifting pollution and toxic crap around the globe until there's no-one left to blame and we really will have to make a change in our habits. Or pay a lot of money for cleaner alternatives.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 22, 2023 12:19:00 GMT
George Osborne likes Labour's proposals on giving the OBR additional oversight.
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Post by supergas on Sept 22, 2023 12:30:51 GMT
...the regulator has said one thing, the bank's leaked document says something different... ...not sure what part of this is tripping you up, but I can spell it out - the regulator is not fit for purpose and has reached a conclusion without looking at very clear and public facts.... So you’ve decided the regulator is not fit for purpose. Ok 👍 Well yes, because I've read the leaked Coutts report as well as the regulator's report. The regulators said there was "...no evidence showing banks have shut or denied accounts to customers based primarily on their political beliefs..." whilst the leaked document from Coutts states “...The committee did not think continuing to bank Nigel Farage was compatible with Coutts, given his publicly stated views that were at odds with our position as an inclusive organisation...” If they can't read the news (and even note that this might be a one-off example, that would still be *some* evidence) then yes, they are not fit for purpose....
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Post by supergas on Sept 22, 2023 12:34:44 GMT
George Osborne likes Labour's proposals on giving the OBR additional oversight. Given the OBR forecasts are wrong as often than they are right, nothing could go wrong....
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 23, 2023 23:36:17 GMT
Bye, bye HS2, then.
I wonder how this will be spun as Labour are non committal but could be seen as ignoring the North again.
Personally I just can't see the benefits, better to get 'Hull to Liverpool' East West cross country rather than South to North, or even get Broadband connections vastly improved.
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Post by supergas on Sept 27, 2023 10:07:51 GMT
Bye, bye HS2, then. I wonder how this will be spun as Labour are non committal but could be seen as ignoring the North again. Personally I just can't see the benefits, better to get 'Hull to Liverpool' East West cross country rather than South to North, or even get Broadband connections vastly improved. Plenty of benefits of HS2 - in fact most are on the existing lines and will benefit more people that will be using the new HS2 service... ...for example, it will free up capacity on the existing lines for more stopping/commuter services as well as many more freight services - it's about half a million more seats a day servicing 50+ existing stations, as well as enough freight capacity to replace 2.5m lorry journeys every year....
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Post by oldie on Sept 27, 2023 10:10:50 GMT
Bye, bye HS2, then. I wonder how this will be spun as Labour are non committal but could be seen as ignoring the North again. Personally I just can't see the benefits, better to get 'Hull to Liverpool' East West cross country rather than South to North, or even get Broadband connections vastly improved. Plenty of benefits of HS2 - in fact most are on the existing lines and will benefit more people that will be using the new HS2 service... ...for example, it will free up capacity on the existing lines for more stopping/commuter services as well as many more freight services - it's about half a million more seats a day servicing 50+ existing stations, as well as enough freight capacity to replace 2.5m lorry journeys every year.... Agree with you here. If we are to improve the economic map of the country this must be done.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 27, 2023 11:30:40 GMT
Bye, bye HS2, then. I wonder how this will be spun as Labour are non committal but could be seen as ignoring the North again. Personally I just can't see the benefits, better to get 'Hull to Liverpool' East West cross country rather than South to North, or even get Broadband connections vastly improved. Plenty of benefits of HS2 - in fact most are on the existing lines and will benefit more people that will be using the new HS2 service... ...for example, it will free up capacity on the existing lines for more stopping/commuter services as well as many more freight services - it's about half a million more seats a day servicing 50+ existing stations, as well as enough freight capacity to replace 2.5m lorry journeys every year.... I'm thinking more the benefits over and above general improvements and more immediate ones such as electrification and the need to increase capacity by improving broadband. Of itself its definitely got its benefits, I just feel the funds would be better utilised. One thing I did feel at the time of initial sign off all those years ago was that it should start in the north and build south. By going London upwards, I thought it may end up stopping in Birmingham. 😶
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Post by yattongas on Sept 27, 2023 16:30:27 GMT
Plenty of benefits of HS2 - in fact most are on the existing lines and will benefit more people that will be using the new HS2 service... ...for example, it will free up capacity on the existing lines for more stopping/commuter services as well as many more freight services - it's about half a million more seats a day servicing 50+ existing stations, as well as enough freight capacity to replace 2.5m lorry journeys every year.... I'm thinking more the benefits over and above general improvements and more immediate ones such as electrification and the need to increase capacity by improving broadband. Of itself its definitely got its benefits, I just feel the funds would be better utilised. One thing I did feel at the time of initial sign off all those years ago was that it should start in the north and build south. By going London upwards, I thought it may end up stopping in Birmingham. 😶 Wasn’t the whole point of it to have connectivity to London ? Starting in the north and building southwards would have made little sense. It might of stopped In Birmingham anyway ! 😀
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 27, 2023 16:38:41 GMT
I'm thinking more the benefits over and above general improvements and more immediate ones such as electrification and the need to increase capacity by improving broadband. Of itself its definitely got its benefits, I just feel the funds would be better utilised. One thing I did feel at the time of initial sign off all those years ago was that it should start in the north and build south. By going London upwards, I thought it may end up stopping in Birmingham. 😶 Wasn’t the whole point of it to have connectivity to London ? Starting in the north and building southwards would have made little sense. It might of stopped In Birmingham anyway ! 😀 It would mean they had to complete it and connect the whole country, but yes, the idea was to increase capacity and make journey times quicker. I still feel that an east-west route would be the most cost effective as the starting point. Two thoughts, firstly by getting better connection to London, we will see an increase in the ripple effect as Londoners move out increasing house prices; and secondly, the Conservative Party conference is in Manchester. Why leak this news now? Unless......🧐
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