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Post by pirate on Feb 9, 2023 9:16:58 GMT
It's plain reading this thread that we have some within our alleged fanbase who want both Joey and Wael to fail. I for one don't believe them if they protest otherwise, as the backs of cement on their shoulders makes their true feelings plain for all to see. That’s been the case since the Al-Qadi family took over DrF. I said it on the OF and I’m happy to say it here, but you can’t help but think there is a racist element to it or the fact that these one hate we are under foreign ownership and not a local businessman fan like we have always been. As in any walk of life there will be one or two abhorrent small minded bigots, but it is very dangerous throwing about allegations or accusations of racism towards the owner with no evidence. Certainly some are dissatisfied with the way the club is run and others with 6 years of a lack of progress on a new stadium and years and years of near silence on the matter, when the owner has categorically stated "this football club requires and needs a new stadium" and "If we want to succeed, a new stadium has to happen. A new stadium has to be built."
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 9, 2023 9:28:58 GMT
That’s been the case since the Al-Qadi family took over DrF. I said it on the OF and I’m happy to say it here, but you can’t help but think there is a racist element to it or the fact that these one hate we are under foreign ownership and not a local businessman fan like we have always been. To your point about nascent racism. That would be a bizarre accusation in my case as my two sons have a middle eastern heritage. So no, in my case it's absolutely not that. And it's not that I object to Wael's ownership. I am asking "where is this heading?" As far as capitalising the debt, he absolutely did. But the contra on the balance sheet is value of the Mem, marked to market as a site for housing. That's not real risk capital is it. What value are you assessing the Mem to be worth? Previous accounts have shown a notional value c£11m.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 9, 2023 9:54:19 GMT
That’s been the case since the Al-Qadi family took over DrF. I said it on the OF and I’m happy to say it here, but you can’t help but think there is a racist element to it or the fact that these one hate we are under foreign ownership and not a local businessman fan like we have always been. To your point about nascent racism. That would be a bizarre accusation in my case as my two sons have a middle eastern heritage. So no, in my case it's absolutely not that. And it's not that I object to Wael's ownership. I am asking "where is this heading?" As far as capitalising the debt, he absolutely did. But the contra on the balance sheet is value of the Mem, marked to market as a site for housing. That's not real risk capital is it. I didn’t say you were oldie because I do know that your sons are of a mixed race heritage, but for others I’m convinced of it. Wael has always stated that he wants to get us into the championship. Once we get there then we will probably see the next stage of the plan. Whether it happens or not is another matter but getting there, even at the Mem is entirely possible with the right footballing management as Burton, Wycombe and Peterborough have proven before, clubs which are of similar size to ourselves. Whether we stay there is another matter but there are also clubs like Luton and Previously Brentford who got there and have stayed there in rickity old grounds not fit for L1/L2. Whilst the Mem might have a mark on the balance sheet, it can’t be sold unless there is another stadium, owned by the club, built and ready to play in first.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 9, 2023 9:57:25 GMT
It's plain reading this thread that we have some within our alleged fanbase who want both Joey and Wael to fail. I for one don't believe them if they protest otherwise, as the backs of cement on their shoulders makes their true feelings plain for all to see. That’s been the case since the Al-Qadi family took over DrF. I said it on the OF and I’m happy to say it here, but you can’t help but think there is a racist element to it or the fact that these one hate we are under foreign ownership and not a local businessman fan like we have always been. That’s a very disengenuous thing to say 1981. DrF makes a statement that is probably true and something to be expected of all owners and managers. Some fans like them some don’t and some may even want them to fail. You have turned it into a racist reason amongst some. You made an assertion in the other forum against a poster which you then had to backtrack from what you said after being challenged before eventually admitting he wasn’t. Very poor. So who are you saying is/are racist? You can’t be accusing oldie can you? That would be ridiculous. Or is it someone else? Have you complained to the moderators on here (yourself?) outright about someone being a racist? Mods have you received a complaint from 1981? To leave it hanging there is just mischief-making, imo. Mods, your opinions would be valued. We are very fortunate to have an owner like Wael who has done what he has. Most know that. A plan or information regarding the ground would be welcome for all the reasons that many have articulated. UTG!
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Post by dudelebowski on Feb 9, 2023 10:07:16 GMT
Wael could go and deliver the new stadium, all seater, hotel, non match day use 5/6 days a week, the full works as promised & badly needed by the football club.
& some still wouldn’t be satisfied and pick n find fault. Either it’s in their make up to never be happy unless they’re unhappy, or they’ve ran their mouth so hard the last few years they wouldn’t have the nuts to hold hands up, apologise & say thank you/fair play.
That’s people for you.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 9, 2023 10:17:24 GMT
Wael could go and deliver the new stadium, all seater, hotel, non match day use 5/6 days a week, the full works as promised & badly needed by the football club. & some still wouldn’t be satisfied and pick n find fault. Either it’s in their make up to never be happy unless they’re unhappy, or they’ve ran their mouth so hard the last few years they wouldn’t have the nuts to hold hands up, apologise & say thank you/fair play. That’s people for you. Exactly. Without knowing I bet if you go onto the forums of Brentford , Brighton Luton etc there are fans bemoaning the size of the stadiums , the lack of ambition, players , managers , financial positions etc etc. As Dude says , that’s football fans for you !
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 9, 2023 10:26:50 GMT
That’s been the case since the Al-Qadi family took over DrF. I said it on the OF and I’m happy to say it here, but you can’t help but think there is a racist element to it or the fact that these one hate we are under foreign ownership and not a local businessman fan like we have always been. That’s a very disengenuous thing to say 1981. DrF makes a statement that is probably true and something to be expected of all owners and managers. Some fans like them some don’t and some may even want them to fail. You have turned it into a racist reason amongst some. You made an assertion in the other forum against a poster which you then had to backtrack from what you said after being challenged before eventually admitting he wasn’t. Very poor. So who are you saying is/are racist? You can’t be accusing oldie can you? That would be ridiculous. Or is it someone else? Have you complained to the moderators on here (yourself?) outright about someone being a racist? Mods have you received a complaint from 1981? To leave it hanging there is just mischief-making, imo. Mods, your opinions would be valued. We are very fortunate to have an owner like Wael who has done what he has. Most know that. A plan or information regarding the ground would be welcome for all the reasons that many have articulated. UTG! Sadly, I have had to moderate racist comments on here in the past Wareham and unfortunately ban people for it. I haven’t accused anyone of being racist here or on the OF, especially Oldie and it would be a nonsense to do so. However In my opinion, some of the continual hatred from some would seem to be because of who Wael is and where he comes from. Do I have my suspicions about who those people are? Yes. Will I say who they are? Not without any evidence to do so.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 9, 2023 11:05:25 GMT
How much has Steve Landown p*ssed against the wall on players, yet they are still a mid to lower Championship club. I'm sure as with most clubs there is still a level of debt due to wages and other outgoings, but In terms of incoming and outgoing fees spent on players, I believe they have made close to a £45million profit over the past 5 seasons. Players like Bobby De Cordova-Reid, Joe Bryan, Aden Flint, Adam Webster, Lloyd Kelly, Josh Brownhill and Antoine Semenyo sold on for big money. I didn't word that very well, citing only buying players, they have done well in the transfer market in the last few years. However, their wage bill is one of the highest in the Championship, with nothing to show for it, so Lansdown is still having to throw his money into the black hole each year.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 9, 2023 11:08:36 GMT
I'm sure as with most clubs there is still a level of debt due to wages and other outgoings, but In terms of incoming and outgoing fees spent on players, I believe they have made close to a £45million profit over the past 5 seasons. Players like Bobby De Cordova-Reid, Joe Bryan, Aden Flint, Adam Webster, Lloyd Kelly, Josh Brownhill and Antoine Semenyo sold on for big money. Yes, I din't word that very well, citing only spending on players, they have done well in the transfer market in the last few years. However, their wage bill is one of the highest in the Championship, with nothing to show for it, so Lansdown is still having to throw his money into the black hole each year.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 9, 2023 11:09:40 GMT
How much has Steve Landown p*ssed against the wall on players, yet they are still a mid to lower Championship club. Whataboutism. Very insightful.
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Post by pirate on Feb 9, 2023 11:24:15 GMT
I'm sure as with most clubs there is still a level of debt due to wages and other outgoings, but In terms of incoming and outgoing fees spent on players, I believe they have made close to a £45million profit over the past 5 seasons. Players like Bobby De Cordova-Reid, Joe Bryan, Aden Flint, Adam Webster, Lloyd Kelly, Josh Brownhill and Antoine Semenyo sold on for big money. I didn't word that very well, citing only buying players, they have done well in the transfer market in the last few years. However, their wage bill is one of the highest in the Championship, with nothing to show for it, so Lansdown is still having to throw his money into the black hole each year. Their wage bill is far from one of the highest in the Championship. A few years ago the respected football finance blogger Swiss Ramble reported that their wage bill was the 12th largest and the position in the league they finished was also 12th. Since then they have cut the wage bill and promoted a lot of youngsters and their league finishes have reflected that. For example their last Championship game, a win away at Preston, featured starters O'Leary, Pring, Vyner, Bell, Scott all having come through the youth team or development squad and Sykes, Tanner and Naismith lower league or free transfers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 11:26:23 GMT
Bristol Rovers are very lucky to have a passionate and generous owner like Wael he certainly backs up his decision making with hard cash. I do think he has some weak links who should be supporting him better considering the generous salaries they are earning and I would prefer that Joey Barton was nowhere near the club. We must do better than being happy as long as Bristol City lose at the same time as we do.
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Post by pirate on Feb 9, 2023 11:53:15 GMT
Wael could go and deliver the new stadium, all seater, hotel, non match day use 5/6 days a week, the full works as promised & badly needed by the football club. & some still wouldn’t be satisfied and pick n find fault. Either it’s in their make up to never be happy unless they’re unhappy, or they’ve ran their mouth so hard the last few years they wouldn’t have the nuts to hold hands up, apologise & say thank you/fair play. That’s people for you. Exactly. Without knowing I bet if you go onto the forums of Brentford , Brighton Luton etc there are fans bemoaning the size of the stadiums , the lack of ambition, players , managers , financial positions etc etc. As Dude says , that’s football fans for you ! Probably 3 of the worst clubs to highlight as all are having their best seasons in living memory and all punching above their weight. From what I can see 99.9% of their fans are absolutely delighted.
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Post by dudelebowski on Feb 9, 2023 11:59:01 GMT
Exactly. Without knowing I bet if you go onto the forums of Brentford , Brighton Luton etc there are fans bemoaning the size of the stadiums , the lack of ambition, players , managers , financial positions etc etc. As Dude says , that’s football fans for you ! Probably 3 of the worst clubs to highlight as all are having their best seasons in living memory and all punching above their weight. From what I can see 99.9% of their fans are absolutely delighted. A good friend of mine is Brighton & has often mentioned he much preferred life as a fairly decent Championship club. Their rise was so rapid I’m not sure he ever wanted to be a premier league supporter, let alone expected it & since forced their way to effectively being a top 10 club in the elite division.
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Post by pirate on Feb 9, 2023 12:02:28 GMT
Probably 3 of the worst clubs to highlight as all are having their best seasons in living memory and all punching above their weight. From what I can see 99.9% of their fans are absolutely delighted. A good friend of mine is Brighton & has often mentioned he much preferred life as a fairly decent Championship club. Their rise was so rapid I’m not sure he ever wanted to be a premier league supporter, let alone expected it & since forced their way to effectively being a top 10 club in the elite division. I'm also friends with a Brighton supporter and season ticket holder and he couldn't be more delighted with with everything at the club, both on and off the pitch. They do an awful lot of good work in the community and their savvy recruitment model and progress on the pitch with quality football is there for all to see.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 12:11:04 GMT
A good friend of mine is Brighton & has often mentioned he much preferred life as a fairly decent Championship club. Their rise was so rapid I’m not sure he ever wanted to be a premier league supporter, let alone expected it & since forced their way to effectively being a top 10 club in the elite division. I'm also friends with a Brighton supporter and season ticket holder and he couldn't be more delighted with with everything at the club, both on and off the pitch. They do an awful lot of good work in the community and their savvy recruitment model and progress on the pitch with quality football is there for all to see. Their fall and rise would make a great film. I once met one of the organisers of the campaign against Bill Archer who sold the ground to one of his own companies and then sold it on again for personal gain. Some of the the things they got up to, although illegal, were no more than Archer deserved. To come back from playing 100 miles from home to a tiny Withdean and then onto the Amex is truly remarkable and their owner who supported them financially throughout the dark days and back again must be a local legend.
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Post by eric on Feb 9, 2023 12:11:45 GMT
Probably 3 of the worst clubs to highlight as all are having their best seasons in living memory and all punching above their weight. From what I can see 99.9% of their fans are absolutely delighted. A good friend of mine is Brighton & has often mentioned he much preferred life as a fairly decent Championship club. Their rise was so rapid I’m not sure he ever wanted to be a premier league supporter, let alone expected it & since forced their way to effectively being a top 10 club in the elite division. I’m in the same boat as your mate. I do like watching premier league football but I don’t want to be a fan of a premier league club, i think there just becomes too big a detachment between fans and players. I’d happily have Rovers as a solid and stable mid ranking championship side with a nice new 20,000ish capacity stadium.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 9, 2023 13:26:28 GMT
Bristol Rovers are very lucky to have a passionate and generous owner like Wael he certainly backs up his decision making with hard cash. I do think he has some weak links who should be supporting him better considering the generous salaries they are earning and I would prefer that Joey Barton was nowhere near the club. We must do better than being happy as long as Bristol City lose at the same time as we do. Yeah but….. it bloody great when they lose isn’t it ? 😃
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Post by yattongas on Feb 9, 2023 13:29:05 GMT
Exactly. Without knowing I bet if you go onto the forums of Brentford , Brighton Luton etc there are fans bemoaning the size of the stadiums , the lack of ambition, players , managers , financial positions etc etc. As Dude says , that’s football fans for you ! Probably 3 of the worst clubs to highlight as all are having their best seasons in living memory and all punching above their weight. From what I can see 99.9% of their fans are absolutely delighted. Completely missing the point 🙄 I highlighted those clubs for the exact reason that they are doing very well and most fans will be very very happy…..but….. you’ll still get those fans that moan about things .
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 9, 2023 13:37:12 GMT
That’s a very disengenuous thing to say 1981. DrF makes a statement that is probably true and something to be expected of all owners and managers. Some fans like them some don’t and some may even want them to fail. You have turned it into a racist reason amongst some. You made an assertion in the other forum against a poster which you then had to backtrack from what you said after being challenged before eventually admitting he wasn’t. Very poor. So who are you saying is/are racist? You can’t be accusing oldie can you? That would be ridiculous. Or is it someone else? Have you complained to the moderators on here (yourself?) outright about someone being a racist? Mods have you received a complaint from 1981? To leave it hanging there is just mischief-making, imo. Mods, your opinions would be valued. We are very fortunate to have an owner like Wael who has done what he has. Most know that. A plan or information regarding the ground would be welcome for all the reasons that many have articulated. UTG! Sadly, I have had to moderate racist comments on here in the past Wareham and unfortunately ban people for it. I haven’t accused anyone of being racist here or on the OF, especially Oldie and it would be a nonsense to do so. However In my opinion, some of the continual hatred from some would seem to be because of who Wael is and where he comes from. Do I have my suspicions about who those people are? Yes. Will I say who they are? Not without any evidence to do so. 1981, thanks for your reply. It was a general comment then and not a specific one aimed at anyone in particular? I sure you agree that when the idea of racism is introduced into any topic the language has to be used very carefully to avoid misunderstandings. UTG!
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