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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 8, 2023 21:54:59 GMT
What's the alternative, Wael sacks JB, no doubt then having to pay him and his entourage a small fortune in compensation, then employs a chancer like Garner or Tisdale, which would then most likely lead to another relegation back to L2.
Would that make more financial sense and keep you happy as we're then ridden of that awful scouser you clearly detest?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 21:57:49 GMT
That's the equivalent of believing there is a god? Let's say Wael has a £100million. How much of that is he going to p*SS up against the wall before he stops? Why, based upon the evidence before us, would he trust Barton? In the two years he has been here we go are be about 6 places in the league higher than when he joined. In achieving that the club has burned around £5million in cash. Is there any other business that a senior manager would be lauded for achieving so little at so great a cost? To be honest, it's laughable. When Wael stops, if we have had no significant progress financially, what happens then? If Wael put the club up for sale do you think he would do it discreetly or make it public?
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Post by oldie on Feb 8, 2023 22:08:37 GMT
What's the alternative, Wael sacks JB, no doubt then having to pay him and his entourage a small fortune in compensation, then employs a chancer like Garner or Tisdale, which would then most likely lead to another relegation back to L2. Would that make more financial sense and keep you happy as we're then ridden of that awful scouser you clearly detest? Your analysis is so intrinsically flawed, so basic, it's not worth responding to. Again.
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Post by oldie on Feb 8, 2023 22:10:25 GMT
That's the equivalent of believing there is a god? Let's say Wael has a £100million. How much of that is he going to p*SS up against the wall before he stops? Why, based upon the evidence before us, would he trust Barton? In the two years he has been here we go are be about 6 places in the league higher than when he joined. In achieving that the club has burned around £5million in cash. Is there any other business that a senior manager would be lauded for achieving so little at so great a cost? To be honest, it's laughable. When Wael stops, if we have had no significant progress financially, what happens then? If Wael put the club up for sale do you think he would do it discreetly or make it public? No idea, but if I was in his position, as discreetly as possible. In reality, nobody wants to say "look at me, I have been stupid", do they?
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 8, 2023 22:13:53 GMT
If Wael put the club up for sale do you think he would do it discreetly or make it public? No idea, but if I was in his position, as discreetly as possible. In reality, nobody wants to say "look at me, I have been stupid", do they? you seem to do a pretty good job at it
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 8, 2023 22:28:14 GMT
If Wael put the club up for sale do you think he would do it discreetly or make it public? No idea, but if I was in his position, as discreetly as possible. In reality, nobody wants to say "look at me, I have been stupid", do they? Why do you and your ex Board room mate, Swissgas, seemingly dislike Wael so much, is it because he's booted the old hangers on out of the club and all you can do now is whine about the club on forums instead of in Box 1 over a G&T? Across both forums you two are the only ones continually whining about how the club is being run by Wael. Nobody else really seems that interested.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 22:36:06 GMT
No idea, but if I was in his position, as discreetly as possible. In reality, nobody wants to say "look at me, I have been stupid", do they? Why do you and your ex Board room mate, Swissgas, seemingly dislike Wael so much, is it because he's booted the old hangers on out of the club and all you can do now is whine about the club on forums instead of in Box 1 over a G&T? Across both forums you two are the only ones continually whining about how the club is being run by Wael. Nobody else really seems that interested. Got to agree with you there Topper, nobody does appear to interested and Wael keeps the club afloat and covers his losses.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 8, 2023 22:48:56 GMT
That's the equivalent of believing there is a god? Let's say Wael has a £100million. How much of that is he going to p*SS up against the wall before he stops? Why, based upon the evidence before us, would he trust Barton? In the two years he has been here we go are be about 6 places in the league higher than when he joined. In achieving that the club has burned around £5million in cash. Is there any other business that a senior manager would be lauded for achieving so little at so great a cost? To be honest, it's laughable. When Wael stops, if we have had no significant progress financially, what happens then? How much has Steve Landown p*ssed against the wall on players, yet they are still a mid to lower Championship club.
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Post by wallywalters on Feb 8, 2023 22:55:18 GMT
I think your misunderstanding how football is these days oldie.
To be an average league one club it takes watering 5 million up the wall in 2 years just to stay there. Would cost a darn sight more than that to be a top 6 league one club these days. Argyll spent getting on for 1 million in this Jan transfer window alone to try and maintain top spot
It costs 100 million watered up the wall to be a sh** championship club these days.
Barton hasn't had any more money to spend than any other average league one manager.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 22:57:35 GMT
That's the equivalent of believing there is a god? Let's say Wael has a £100million. How much of that is he going to p*SS up against the wall before he stops? Why, based upon the evidence before us, would he trust Barton? In the two years he has been here we go are be about 6 places in the league higher than when he joined. In achieving that the club has burned around £5million in cash. Is there any other business that a senior manager would be lauded for achieving so little at so great a cost? To be honest, it's laughable. When Wael stops, if we have had no significant progress financially, what happens then? How much has Steve Landown p*ssed against the wall on players, yet they are still a mid to lower Championship club. Whataboutism.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 8, 2023 23:07:03 GMT
That's the equivalent of believing there is a god? Let's say Wael has a £100million. How much of that is he going to p*SS up against the wall before he stops? Why, based upon the evidence before us, would he trust Barton? In the two years he has been here we go are be about 6 places in the league higher than when he joined. In achieving that the club has burned around £5million in cash. Is there any other business that a senior manager would be lauded for achieving so little at so great a cost? To be honest, it's laughable. When Wael stops, if we have had no significant progress financially, what happens then? Out of interest Oldie , which of our chairmen & managers have you approved of over the last 20 yrs ?
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Post by pirate on Feb 8, 2023 23:19:24 GMT
That's the equivalent of believing there is a god? Let's say Wael has a £100million. How much of that is he going to p*SS up against the wall before he stops? Why, based upon the evidence before us, would he trust Barton? In the two years he has been here we go are be about 6 places in the league higher than when he joined. In achieving that the club has burned around £5million in cash. Is there any other business that a senior manager would be lauded for achieving so little at so great a cost? To be honest, it's laughable. When Wael stops, if we have had no significant progress financially, what happens then? How much has Steve Landown p*ssed against the wall on players, yet they are still a mid to lower Championship club. I'm sure as with most clubs there is still a level of debt due to wages and other outgoings, but In terms of incoming and outgoing fees spent on players, I believe they have made close to a £45million profit over the past 5 seasons. Players like Bobby De Cordova-Reid, Joe Bryan, Aden Flint, Adam Webster, Lloyd Kelly, Josh Brownhill and Antoine Semenyo sold on for big money.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 8, 2023 23:43:17 GMT
That's the equivalent of believing there is a god? Let's say Wael has a £100million. How much of that is he going to p*SS up against the wall before he stops? Why, based upon the evidence before us, would he trust Barton? In the two years he has been here we go are be about 6 places in the league higher than when he joined. In achieving that the club has burned around £5million in cash. Is there any other business that a senior manager would be lauded for achieving so little at so great a cost? To be honest, it's laughable. When Wael stops, if we have had no significant progress financially, what happens then? Oh I don't know, my previous employer spent over £10m on failed IT projects and don't get me started on Government procurement with ministers and officials getting directorships on retirement. Not forgetting the cost of management consultancies for minimal returns.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 8, 2023 23:48:31 GMT
That's the equivalent of believing there is a god? Let's say Wael has a £100million. How much of that is he going to p*SS up against the wall before he stops? Why, based upon the evidence before us, would he trust Barton? In the two years he has been here we go are be about 6 places in the league higher than when he joined. In achieving that the club has burned around £5million in cash. Is there any other business that a senior manager would be lauded for achieving so little at so great a cost? To be honest, it's laughable. When Wael stops, if we have had no significant progress financially, what happens then? If Wael put the club up for sale do you think he would do it discreetly or make it public? Discreetly, maybe he had an alterior motive for his trip to the World Cup. news.sky.com/story/manchester-united-sale-qatars-ownership-of-british-sports-clubs-has-grown-and-is-likely-to-increase-12806200
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Post by oldie on Feb 9, 2023 7:21:30 GMT
I think your misunderstanding how football is these days oldie. To be an average league one club it takes watering 5 million up the wall in 2 years just to stay there. Would cost a darn sight more than that to be a top 6 league one club these days. Argyll spent getting on for 1 million in this Jan transfer window alone to try and maintain top spot It costs 100 million watered up the wall to be a sh** championship club these days. Barton hasn't had any more money to spend than any other average league one manager. I think I do understand what is going on, generally, in pro football. But the question has to be asked, is it a house of cards? In our case, I ask again, how long do we expect our owner to continue funding perpetual over spends, year after year? Again, what happens when he stops? How about this question, with that previous question as context. Is Wael a custodian of this club, nurturing it for future fans to support and enjoy, a stepping stone in effect in a long history or, is the club just a rich man's play thing to be cynically discarded when either boredom sets in or he decides enough is enough on funding? What happens over the next couple of years will inform us I suspect. For those who are being silly, childish, in their responses, I do not hate anyone. I do not understand Wael's motives, but I don't dislike him, I don't actually know him. As for Barton, I don't know him so cannot like or dislike him on a personal level. As our Team Manager I find his public utterances laughable, more akin to a sixth form student than a mature, professional man. His record be with us very questionable, I do suspect he is actually not a good manager, both in terms of man management and performance management. There is precious little evidence, so far, to alleviate those doubts.
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Post by DrFaustus on Feb 9, 2023 8:07:26 GMT
It's plain reading this thread that we have some within our alleged fanbase who want both Joey and Wael to fail. I for one don't believe them if they protest otherwise, as the backs of cement on their shoulders makes their true feelings plain for all to see.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 9, 2023 8:47:20 GMT
I think your misunderstanding how football is these days oldie. To be an average league one club it takes watering 5 million up the wall in 2 years just to stay there. Would cost a darn sight more than that to be a top 6 league one club these days. Argyll spent getting on for 1 million in this Jan transfer window alone to try and maintain top spot It costs 100 million watered up the wall to be a sh** championship club these days. Barton hasn't had any more money to spend than any other average league one manager. I think I do understand what is going on, generally, in pro football. But the question has to be asked, is it a house of cards? In our case, I ask again, how long do we expect our owner to continue funding perpetual over spends, year after year? Again, what happens when he stops? How about this question, with that previous question as context. Is Wael a custodian of this club, nurturing it for future fans to support and enjoy, a stepping stone in effect in a long history or, is the club just a rich man's play thing to be cynically discarded when either boredom sets in or he decides enough is enough on funding? What happens over the next couple of years will inform us I suspect. For those who are being silly, childish, in their responses, I do not hate anyone. I do not understand Wael's motives, but I don't dislike him, I don't actually know him. As for Barton, I don't know him so cannot like or dislike him on a personal level. As our Team Manager I find his public utterances laughable, more akin to a sixth form student than a mature, professional man. His record be with us very questionable, I do suspect he is actually not a good manager, both in terms of man management and performance management. There is precious little evidence, so far, to alleviate those doubts. Oldie, there is a similar discussion on the other forum where the question of what happens when Wael stops wanting to fund us and the answer is the same for every other 91 clubs in the FL, the club will do one of two things. One, Cut everything back to minimise the losses which will likely see us go backwards and backwards very quickly. Two, be publicly put up for sale and bids offered. One person said, how is it Shrewsbury and Exeter managed to be better run. I countered and said they aren’t, showing that Exeter would have made a loss of nearly £4m had it not been for player sales. The problem with that model is that it will give you a glass ceiling of success and you have to budget for selling your best players each year, but it’s such an unreliable method in which to run a club on. Even Andy Holt at Acccrington is the crutch for their seemingly impossible rise up leagues and the ability to survive at this level on their attendances. Real world is that football is no longer and has never been since the 70s a sustainable practice and will always be reliant on money coming in from directors and owners. All I will say with Wael is that he isn’t the one who’s always been on sole charge of us, it was his brother before him and we did stagnate after trying to operate on a very reduced budget. Under Wael he’s built the 1/4s, capitalised the debt, funded us through covid and has rebuilt the footballing side of our club giving JB everything he wants so he can attempt to take us to the next level. That’s not bad in 3-4 years of him being in sole control and it doesn’t really fit the narrative of being us being a “disinterested rich man’s play thing that will cynically be discarded”.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 9, 2023 8:49:28 GMT
It's plain reading this thread that we have some within our alleged fanbase who want both Joey and Wael to fail. I for one don't believe them if they protest otherwise, as the backs of cement on their shoulders makes their true feelings plain for all to see. That’s been the case since the Al-Qadi family took over DrF. I said it on the OF and I’m happy to say it here, but you can’t help but think there is a racist element to it or the fact that these one hate we are under foreign ownership and not a local businessman fan like we have always been.
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 9, 2023 8:50:58 GMT
No idea, but if I was in his position, as discreetly as possible. In reality, nobody wants to say "look at me, I have been stupid", do they? Why do you and your ex Board room mate, Swissgas, seemingly dislike Wael so much, is it because he's booted the old hangers on out of the club and all you can do now is whine about the club on forums instead of in Box 1 over a G&T? Across both forums you two are the only ones continually whining about how the club is being run by Wael. Nobody else really seems that interested. That’s some of it….
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Post by oldie on Feb 9, 2023 9:09:40 GMT
It's plain reading this thread that we have some within our alleged fanbase who want both Joey and Wael to fail. I for one don't believe them if they protest otherwise, as the backs of cement on their shoulders makes their true feelings plain for all to see. That’s been the case since the Al-Qadi family took over DrF. I said it on the OF and I’m happy to say it here, but you can’t help but think there is a racist element to it or the fact that these one hate we are under foreign ownership and not a local businessman fan like we have always been. To your point about nascent racism. That would be a bizarre accusation in my case as my two sons have a middle eastern heritage. So no, in my case it's absolutely not that. And it's not that I object to Wael's ownership. I am asking "where is this heading?" As far as capitalising the debt, he absolutely did. But the contra on the balance sheet is value of the Mem, marked to market as a site for housing. That's not real risk capital is it.
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