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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 7, 2023 18:46:58 GMT
Well i have had (as Steve Davis would say!)an interesting day. I do not wish to comment on the rather heated debate which is going on , here, at the moment but would offer the following insight into the current state of play within our club. I have always been wary of posts which quote 'someone at the club told me' but hey presto i find myself doing just that now! I will be as brief as possible. So there i was today enjoying lunch at a village pub near Tewksbury when i espied a lady adorned in a very fetching Rovers hoody. Naturally i congratulated the lady on her good taste but alas it turned out she was not a fan as such ,just a lady with exceptional fashion sense! The gentlemen she was with used to work for Rovers and was heavily involved with the construction of the Quarters. He was rightly proud of his work and highlighted the fully sustainable nature of the complex. He highlighted the frustration working for several different managers all having there own ideas which were different to their predecessors culminating in Joe Barton's arrival and eventually him handing in his keys to Martyn Starmes , leaving ,and indicating to Martyn that he thought he would soon be following his departure. We know what happened next and events since. What was very apparent from our conversation is that JB is very much in charge at Rovers , on and off the field, and has 'his' team around him from his number 2 to club secretary. Wael ,in the gentleman's opinion is basically just a football fan like all of us fans and seems happy to let him get on with it. Now some may see this as long overdue at 'rag bag 'Rovers and a force for a better future , just as many will see it as unhealthy for the club, me? up to now i have been happy to judge JB purely on the playing side and up to now i have been happy with that side of things though just recently performances have been slightly concerning, the manner of defeats and players demeanour have been a slight concern just lately, hope its just a blip. Off the field, if JB is going to carry this much sway then he has to get it right! Following our chat i had a much better understanding of the workings of Bristol Rovers FC and wondering if this much sway in the hands of one man is good or bad ,time will tell!! ' I'm guessing that JB has brought in people known to him to run some of the other parts of the club, as he thinks (and has persuaded Wael) that they are better that those we had in post. David Bright and the hospitality people seem to be an exception to this. Not sure about the Club Secretary, he did a 3 month internship at Tranmere, then was at Oldham and Swindon - no idea if his path crossed with JB or anybody else during that time. How long before we're selling Scouse from the pasty huts?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 7, 2023 18:50:24 GMT
ill let you 2 carry on, I have more interesting things going on in my life than to keep coming back to you two, enjoy 😊 i never started anything but have the right to reply, not enjoying much about the club of late, rovers managed to plaster over a few cracks when winning. Now the chicken are coming home to roost Out of interest when did you find anything enjoyable, you seem to have spent the last few years complaining about Wael's tenure? Apart from the last month if you didn't enjoy the last year then you may as well stop supporting Rovers, as it's unlikely to get much better than promotion on the last day of the season followed by a reasonable start to life in L1.
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Post by oldie on Feb 7, 2023 21:05:25 GMT
Well i have had (as Steve Davis would say!)an interesting day. I do not wish to comment on the rather heated debate which is going on , here, at the moment but would offer the following insight into the current state of play within our club. I have always been wary of posts which quote 'someone at the club told me' but hey presto i find myself doing just that now! I will be as brief as possible. So there i was today enjoying lunch at a village pub near Tewksbury when i espied a lady adorned in a very fetching Rovers hoody. Naturally i congratulated the lady on her good taste but alas it turned out she was not a fan as such ,just a lady with exceptional fashion sense! The gentlemen she was with used to work for Rovers and was heavily involved with the construction of the Quarters. He was rightly proud of his work and highlighted the fully sustainable nature of the complex. He highlighted the frustration working for several different managers all having there own ideas which were different to their predecessors culminating in Joe Barton's arrival and eventually him handing in his keys to Martyn Starmes , leaving ,and indicating to Martyn that he thought he would soon be following his departure. We know what happened next and events since. What was very apparent from our conversation is that JB is very much in charge at Rovers , on and off the field, and has 'his' team around him from his number 2 to club secretary. Wael ,in the gentleman's opinion is basically just a football fan like all of us fans and seems happy to let him get on with it. Now some may see this as long overdue at 'rag bag 'Rovers and a force for a better future , just as many will see it as unhealthy for the club, me? up to now i have been happy to judge JB purely on the playing side and up to now i have been happy with that side of things though just recently performances have been slightly concerning, the manner of defeats and players demeanour have been a slight concern just lately, hope its just a blip. Off the field, if JB is going to carry this much sway then he has to get it right! Following our chat i had a much better understanding of the workings of Bristol Rovers FC and wondering if this much sway in the hands of one man is good or bad ,time will tell!! ' I'm guessing that JB has brought in people known to him to run some of the other parts of the club, as he thinks (and has persuaded Wael) that they are better that those we had in post. David Bright and the hospitality people seem to be an exception to this. Not sure about the Club Secretary, he did a 3 month internship at Tranmere, then was at Oldham and Swindon - no idea if his path crossed with JB or anybody else during that time. How long before we're selling Scouse from the pasty huts? The broader question is, what evidence is there that Barton has the experience and/or ability to run anything at all, anything greater than a cockle stall on Weston Beach? As far as I know there is no evidence, other than an innate ability to run his mouth at 100 mph. All yours Wael, good luck with that. One has to ask though, do you see yourself as a custodian of the club, or is it just a rich man's play thing? Emmm....
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Post by trevorgas on Feb 7, 2023 21:46:50 GMT
Have I been insulted 🤔 Me insult you ? 😮 Only in a friendly way😉😉
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 7, 2023 22:04:27 GMT
I'm guessing that JB has brought in people known to him to run some of the other parts of the club, as he thinks (and has persuaded Wael) that they are better that those we had in post. David Bright and the hospitality people seem to be an exception to this. Not sure about the Club Secretary, he did a 3 month internship at Tranmere, then was at Oldham and Swindon - no idea if his path crossed with JB or anybody else during that time. How long before we're selling Scouse from the pasty huts? The broader question is, what evidence is there that Barton has the experience and/or ability to run anything at all, anything greater than a cockle stall on Weston Beach? As far as I know there is no evidence, other than an innate ability to run his mouth at 100 mph. All yours Wael, good luck with that. One has to ask though, do you see yourself as a custodian of the club, or is it just a rich man's play thing? Emmm.... I guess he's more capable than running the club than Hamer or Starnes, whether he's running the club in Wael's/the supporters interests or his own is another matter. I bet EJ/JB can't believe their luck, no wonder JB praises Wael at every oppertunity.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Feb 7, 2023 22:29:26 GMT
Perhaps no real comparison but in Sidmouth the former Nat West very large building has been converted into a charity shop but like no other. More like an up market dept store.The Gallery within is used to display goods made by local ;Artists,Sculpterers,Glass blowers,woodworkers,embroiders etc and they give 25% of their takings to the Samaritans who have a seven year lease.Upstairs flats are rented out and the whole shop has been furnished with top of the range fittings.Now I met the person who organised all this.He is a former Army officer and seems to know what he is doing with his contacts,fund raising, obtaining grants,knowledge of planning regs etc. He has that certain ability which makes him stand out.Not sure who at the club is responsible for our new stadium plans or whatever but shouldn't we be employing professional people who know how to sort things out ,obtain grants etc.Perhaps we are already doing so but with no update how do we know? We are being left behind big time by non league contenders and having seen even tiny Morpeth's ground improvements,we appear not to have a concrete plan. Having said all that,the new regime appointed several impressive directors with know how but they only lasted five minutes before leaving for 'Family Reasons'.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 7, 2023 22:31:41 GMT
Well i have had (as Steve Davis would say!)an interesting day. I do not wish to comment on the rather heated debate which is going on , here, at the moment but would offer the following insight into the current state of play within our club. I have always been wary of posts which quote 'someone at the club told me' but hey presto i find myself doing just that now! I will be as brief as possible. So there i was today enjoying lunch at a village pub near Tewksbury when i espied a lady adorned in a very fetching Rovers hoody. Naturally i congratulated the lady on her good taste but alas it turned out she was not a fan as such ,just a lady with exceptional fashion sense! The gentlemen she was with used to work for Rovers and was heavily involved with the construction of the Quarters. He was rightly proud of his work and highlighted the fully sustainable nature of the complex. He highlighted the frustration working for several different managers all having there own ideas which were different to their predecessors culminating in Joe Barton's arrival and eventually him handing in his keys to Martyn Starmes , leaving ,and indicating to Martyn that he thought he would soon be following his departure. We know what happened next and events since. What was very apparent from our conversation is that JB is very much in charge at Rovers , on and off the field, and has 'his' team around him from his number 2 to club secretary. Wael ,in the gentleman's opinion is basically just a football fan like all of us fans and seems happy to let him get on with it. Now some may see this as long overdue at 'rag bag 'Rovers and a force for a better future , just as many will see it as unhealthy for the club, me? up to now i have been happy to judge JB purely on the playing side and up to now i have been happy with that side of things though just recently performances have been slightly concerning, the manner of defeats and players demeanour have been a slight concern just lately, hope its just a blip. Off the field, if JB is going to carry this much sway then he has to get it right! Following our chat i had a much better understanding of the workings of Bristol Rovers FC and wondering if this much sway in the hands of one man is good or bad ,time will tell!! ' Thanks for sharing. Interesting read.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 7, 2023 22:53:10 GMT
Well i have had (as Steve Davis would say!)an interesting day. I do not wish to comment on the rather heated debate which is going on , here, at the moment but would offer the following insight into the current state of play within our club. I have always been wary of posts which quote 'someone at the club told me' but hey presto i find myself doing just that now! I will be as brief as possible. So there i was today enjoying lunch at a village pub near Tewksbury when i espied a lady adorned in a very fetching Rovers hoody. Naturally i congratulated the lady on her good taste but alas it turned out she was not a fan as such ,just a lady with exceptional fashion sense! The gentlemen she was with used to work for Rovers and was heavily involved with the construction of the Quarters. He was rightly proud of his work and highlighted the fully sustainable nature of the complex. He highlighted the frustration working for several different managers all having there own ideas which were different to their predecessors culminating in Joe Barton's arrival and eventually him handing in his keys to Martyn Starmes , leaving ,and indicating to Martyn that he thought he would soon be following his departure. We know what happened next and events since. What was very apparent from our conversation is that JB is very much in charge at Rovers , on and off the field, and has 'his' team around him from his number 2 to club secretary. Wael ,in the gentleman's opinion is basically just a football fan like all of us fans and seems happy to let him get on with it. Now some may see this as long overdue at 'rag bag 'Rovers and a force for a better future , just as many will see it as unhealthy for the club, me? up to now i have been happy to judge JB purely on the playing side and up to now i have been happy with that side of things though just recently performances have been slightly concerning, the manner of defeats and players demeanour have been a slight concern just lately, hope its just a blip. Off the field, if JB is going to carry this much sway then he has to get it right! Following our chat i had a much better understanding of the workings of Bristol Rovers FC and wondering if this much sway in the hands of one man is good or bad ,time will tell!! ' Thanks for sharing. Interesting read. What's the name of the stadium manager who replaced Ian Holtby?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 7, 2023 22:55:50 GMT
Perhaps no real comparison but in Sidmouth the former Nat West very large building has been converted into a charity shop but like no other. More like an up market dept store.The Gallery within is used to display goods made by local ;Artists,Sculpterers,Glass blowers,woodworkers,embroiders etc and they give 25% of their takings to the Samaritans who have a seven year lease.Upstairs flats are rented out and the whole shop has been furnished with top of the range fittings.Now I met the person who organised all this.He is a former Army officer and seems to know what he is doing with his contacts,fund raising, obtaining grants,knowledge of planning regs etc. He has that certain ability which makes him stand out.Not sure who at the club is responsible for our new stadium plans or whatever but shouldn't we be employing professional people who know how to sort things out ,obtain grants etc.Perhaps we are already doing so but with no update how do we know? We are being left behind big time by non league contenders and having seen even tiny Morpeth's ground improvements,we appear not to have a concrete plan. Having said all that,the new regime appointed several impressive directors with know how but they only lasted five minutes before leaving for 'Family Reasons'. Out of interest what non league contenders are leaving us behind? If it's Wrexham have they even sorted out finance for the replacement stand? I can't recall any directors leaving for family reasons rather than simply just leaving.
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Post by pirate on Feb 7, 2023 23:53:11 GMT
Perhaps no real comparison but in Sidmouth the former Nat West very large building has been converted into a charity shop but like no other. More like an up market dept store.The Gallery within is used to display goods made by local ;Artists,Sculpterers,Glass blowers,woodworkers,embroiders etc and they give 25% of their takings to the Samaritans who have a seven year lease.Upstairs flats are rented out and the whole shop has been furnished with top of the range fittings.Now I met the person who organised all this.He is a former Army officer and seems to know what he is doing with his contacts,fund raising, obtaining grants,knowledge of planning regs etc. He has that certain ability which makes him stand out.Not sure who at the club is responsible for our new stadium plans or whatever but shouldn't we be employing professional people who know how to sort things out ,obtain grants etc.Perhaps we are already doing so but with no update how do we know? We are being left behind big time by non league contenders and having seen even tiny Morpeth's ground improvements,we appear not to have a concrete plan. Having said all that,the new regime appointed several impressive directors with know how but they only lasted five minutes before leaving for 'Family Reasons'. Out of interest what non league contenders are leaving us behind? If it's Wrexham have they even sorted out finance for the replacement stand? I can't recall any directors leaving for family reasons rather than simply just leaving. If you don't think the replacement stand at Wrexham will get funded then you are living in cloud cuckoo land. Attachment Deleted
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2023 9:55:31 GMT
I was watching the news last night where they revealed that they had sold 24,000 replica shirts this season.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 8, 2023 12:01:28 GMT
I'm guessing that JB has brought in people known to him to run some of the other parts of the club, as he thinks (and has persuaded Wael) that they are better that those we had in post. David Bright and the hospitality people seem to be an exception to this. Not sure about the Club Secretary, he did a 3 month internship at Tranmere, then was at Oldham and Swindon - no idea if his path crossed with JB or anybody else during that time. How long before we're selling Scouse from the pasty huts? The broader question is, what evidence is there that Barton has the experience and/or ability to run anything at all, anything greater than a cockle stall on Weston Beach?As far as I know there is no evidence, other than an innate ability to run his mouth at 100 mph. All yours Wael, good luck with that. One has to ask though, do you see yourself as a custodian of the club, or is it just a rich man's play thing? Emmm.... That's rather a sweeping statement, JB certainly knows how to run the playing side of things behind the scenes. Arrangements for the players were rather chaotic before he came (dating back to DC's days), we've now got quality medical staff, better quality gym equipment, things are well organised for players, decent food is now available for players at The Quarters, to name a few. With regard to other areas of the club, I'm not aware that JB is trying to run them himself, rather that people who are known to him have been appointed, who presumably are considered to have the skills for the particular area which they work in. Time will tell as to how that works out.
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Post by oldie on Feb 8, 2023 13:29:56 GMT
The broader question is, what evidence is there that Barton has the experience and/or ability to run anything at all, anything greater than a cockle stall on Weston Beach?As far as I know there is no evidence, other than an innate ability to run his mouth at 100 mph. All yours Wael, good luck with that. One has to ask though, do you see yourself as a custodian of the club, or is it just a rich man's play thing? Emmm.... That's rather a sweeping statement, JB certainly knows how to run the playing side of things behind the scenes. Arrangements for the players were rather chaotic before he came (dating back to DC's days), we've now got quality medical staff, better quality gym equipment, things are well organised for players, decent food is now available for players at The Quarters, to name a few. With regard to other areas of the club, I'm not aware that JB is trying to run them himself, rather that people who are known to him have been appointed, who presumably are considered to have the skills for the particular area which they work in. Time will tell as to how that works out. Time, and someone else's money.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 8, 2023 13:44:01 GMT
That's rather a sweeping statement, JB certainly knows how to run the playing side of things behind the scenes. Arrangements for the players were rather chaotic before he came (dating back to DC's days), we've now got quality medical staff, better quality gym equipment, things are well organised for players, decent food is now available for players at The Quarters, to name a few. With regard to other areas of the club, I'm not aware that JB is trying to run them himself, rather that people who are known to him have been appointed, who presumably are considered to have the skills for the particular area which they work in. Time will tell as to how that works out. Time, and someone else's money. Isnt that usually how it works though? Saying that, I heard it mentioned that Barton funds the wages of some of the non-playing staff himself. Its very important in a business to have people around you that you can trust and I think Wael has learned a lot about that since he came in.
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Post by kruger on Feb 8, 2023 13:53:25 GMT
Joey I think you're doing a good job personally and Wael backs you so thats all what matters, doesnt matter what the odd person on here says who hasn't got anything good to say about the club. I know things are not going to plan right now but I'm content you will get us where we want to be, hopefully next season. UTG
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Post by Quarters on Feb 8, 2023 13:55:23 GMT
The broader question is, what evidence is there that Barton has the experience and/or ability to run anything at all, anything greater than a cockle stall on Weston Beach?As far as I know there is no evidence, other than an innate ability to run his mouth at 100 mph. All yours Wael, good luck with that. One has to ask though, do you see yourself as a custodian of the club, or is it just a rich man's play thing? Emmm.... That's rather a sweeping statement, JB certainly knows how to run the playing side of things behind the scenes. Arrangements for the players were rather chaotic before he came (dating back to DC's days), we've now got quality medical staff, better quality gym equipment, things are well organised for players, decent food is now available for players at The Quarters, to name a few. With regard to other areas of the club, I'm not aware that JB is trying to run them himself, rather that people who are known to him have been appointed, who presumably are considered to have the skills for the particular area which they work in. Time will tell as to how that works out. Are you saying the food at Cribbs was not decent. Food at Cribbs was a change that happened, I think, since Wael cam in.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 8, 2023 20:47:30 GMT
That's rather a sweeping statement, JB certainly knows how to run the playing side of things behind the scenes. Arrangements for the players were rather chaotic before he came (dating back to DC's days), we've now got quality medical staff, better quality gym equipment, things are well organised for players, decent food is now available for players at The Quarters, to name a few. With regard to other areas of the club, I'm not aware that JB is trying to run them himself, rather that people who are known to him have been appointed, who presumably are considered to have the skills for the particular area which they work in. Time will tell as to how that works out. Are you saying the food at Cribbs was not decent. Food at Cribbs was a change that happened, I think, since Wael cam in. No, I'm talking about the quality of what was available at The Quarters, I think there is now a better choice which is suitable for professional sportsmen. You are correct that Wael introduced food being available for players at the training ground.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 8, 2023 20:48:08 GMT
Time, and someone else's money. Isnt that usually how it works though? Saying that, I heard it mentioned that Barton funds the wages of some of the non-playing staff himself. Its very important in a business to have people around you that you can trust and I think Wael has learned a lot about that since he came in. Nail on head.
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Post by oldie on Feb 8, 2023 21:35:48 GMT
Isnt that usually how it works though? Saying that, I heard it mentioned that Barton funds the wages of some of the non-playing staff himself. Its very important in a business to have people around you that you can trust and I think Wael has learned a lot about that since he came in. Nail on head. That's the equivalent of believing there is a god? Let's say Wael has a £100million. How much of that is he going to p*SS up against the wall before he stops? Why, based upon the evidence before us, would he trust Barton? In the two years he has been here we go are be about 6 places in the league higher than when he joined. In achieving that the club has burned around £5million in cash. Is there any other business that a senior manager would be lauded for achieving so little at so great a cost? To be honest, it's laughable. When Wael stops, if we have had no significant progress financially, what happens then?
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