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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Feb 3, 2023 14:15:52 GMT
Look, I back Barton as our manager and think he’s done a good job, but Clarke couldn’t get away with having a relegation on his CV for his 8 games so there’s no way Barton can with his 18 games, from which he took just 11 points. Given he was sacked in January that year at Fleetwood, that season must go down as a bad one! I'd have accepted relegation that seaosn, but the manner in which we went down was totally pathetic. How we ended up 5 points adrift of Swindon was embarrassing. Yes, in fairness though, without that relegation you don’t have the epic promotion season, so I’m willing to mostly overlook that bad start (though it makes me slightly nervous if we get on a bad run now). I could never understand how some Gasheads couldn’t forgive Clarke for ‘taking us into non-league’ even though that was followed with a double promotion. We’re used to bad times at the Gas so we have to celebrate the good times all the more as they’re often a long time coming!
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Post by bridgwatergas on Feb 3, 2023 14:32:10 GMT
It's not as straightforward as that is it and it's totally disengenius to suggest otherwise. We were relegated in 2021 and with relegation there is financial consequences. For example the L1 prize money and solidatiry payments total £1.35m. In L2 that drops to £902k. Thats a deficit of nearly £450k before you factor in any other commercial losses you may incur. So choices have to be made about where money is spent and a development squad will probably take up around £250-£300k in salary for management and coaching plus the commitment of the central league fixtures versus can that money be spent on the first team and having a right good go at promotion. When you look at the teams in L2, I think only 3 have U23 set ups anyway and likely there will be a geographical advantage to them having one as opposed to it being a neccessity for their business model. I do get that and take your figures on face value. But, given our current rate of financial losses, is it any more viable to have a U23 squad now than it was in 2021? Because if it's not, what is Barton talking about? Did he not say this past week that he is funding some non playing positions out of his own pocket? If that is true it makes his comments even more non sensical. That's my point. He funded non playing positions at Fleetwood as well. Its what he does so he can have a complete backroom staff which he wouldn't get unless he was at a bigger club.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2023 14:47:03 GMT
I don’t tend to come on here and post as much as I used to as this place really does get depressing at times. I love the club and always will but I tend to stay out of the politics of it all , as you said , I simply turn up on a match day watch the game and go home , I used to spend way too many years stressing about this club 😂 Treat it like the telly okebourne. Some threads are drama, some more like Eastenders, and some are pure comedy. Best not to treat it too seriously. 😉 Hope all’s well with you.👍 UTG! Yeah I’m great thanks mate , just busy with work like always , no rest for the wicked !! Hope you and the family are all good sir !
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 3, 2023 15:55:50 GMT
That he is calling for an under 23 squad which he oversaw the disbanding of as part of the management team in 2021. Does that sound coherent to you? I think the decision could well have already been made by Garner, as I can't recall him recruiting any players for the Development Squad.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 3, 2023 15:55:54 GMT
Fleetwood was during COVID and on a PPG scale, they have been quote open about post JB stuff, if you read their forum and updates. JB basically gave up with a fair few games to go in the relegation season. I’d say that was poor but other have a different POV. I have changed my mind on a fair few things about him but i think it’s way too early to call him a success but we can hope it becomes a truth and factual. I doubt any of us have ill intent and wish the club to lose. We may have different opinions but we do want a successful club. Would you agree with that or not ? I certainly wanted the club to lose. Now I don't really care either way. I don’t have that in me Hugo, too long following the rovers and I know managers never last too long
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 3, 2023 15:59:15 GMT
Isn’t the good colonel that, all but in title ? That’s how it comes across, to me He was a Barton appointment and worked with him at Fleetwood. Yes, i did know that but thanks anyway fella
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Feb 3, 2023 16:16:20 GMT
That he is calling for an under 23 squad which he oversaw the disbanding of as part of the management team in 2021. Does that sound coherent to you? But as I articulated in my previous responses, it was done for reasons (valid ones) at a different time with different financial considerations and different influencing factors… you can’t compare the 2 and you seem to be trying to task him as incompetent for something that wasn’t his sole decision and in the grand scheme of things was the right decision to take at that time for the short term. The world has changed and now is potentially the right time to think about bringing it back. I really don’t get how this particular thing is a stick to beat him with???
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Feb 3, 2023 16:17:14 GMT
That he is calling for an under 23 squad which he oversaw the disbanding of as part of the management team in 2021. Does that sound coherent to you? Please don't try to make a sensible point. But it’s not a sensible point is it?
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 3, 2023 16:27:22 GMT
Haters gonna hate... yet Barton got us promotion in his first full season and we were talking play offs up until recently. Did pretty well at Fleetwood too. Has he actually had a bad season as a manager? Look, I back Barton as our manager and think he’s done a good job, but Clarke couldn’t get away with having a relegation on his CV for his 8 games so there’s no way Barton can with his 18 games, from which he took just 11 points. Given he was sacked in January that year at Fleetwood, that season must go down as a bad one! I think that was down to other factors as they were 10th in league one at the time
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Post by kruger on Feb 3, 2023 16:52:48 GMT
you're just a miserable person that has to moan about anything JB and in general it seems, I really don't care if you've been supporting them longer than me you probably have, just wish you'd come over that way, I've been going since 1979 by the way Not miserable at all to be frank. You learn to smell bullshit as you age don't you and in Barton's case it's quite a whiff (in my opinion of course). Since 1963, for the record. Not that it matters, it's not me who is challenging another fan's commitment, that would be you. look the same 2 liking your posts every time, r u sure all 3 of you are not the same person?
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Post by GeriatricGas on Feb 3, 2023 17:01:00 GMT
I really enjoyed the interview. I find JB articulate, intelligent and passionate in his desire ensure that the club is sustainable. A glimpse into the challenges of running a club in the lower leagues of the EFL were fascinating. I will leave others to look for the hidden agendas and perceived contradictions.
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Post by calcio on Feb 3, 2023 17:08:34 GMT
Not miserable at all to be frank. You learn to smell bullshit as you age don't you and in Barton's case it's quite a whiff (in my opinion of course). Since 1963, for the record. Not that it matters, it's not me who is challenging another fan's commitment, that would be you. look the same 2 liking your posts every time, r u sure all 3 of you are not the same person? Regular support of kp and Sleepy. What's not to like?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 3, 2023 17:35:40 GMT
Not miserable at all to be frank. You learn to smell bullshit as you age don't you and in Barton's case it's quite a whiff (in my opinion of course). Since 1963, for the record. Not that it matters, it's not me who is challenging another fan's commitment, that would be you. look the same 2 liking your posts every time, r u sure all 3 of you are not the same person? Pretty sure I've met 2 of them and they're definitely not the same person! Is it possible all the people who like Barton are all just one person too?
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Post by wallywalters on Feb 3, 2023 17:41:46 GMT
Another brilliant interview from a very good football manager. I don't think there's another manager in the game that interviews as well as Joe. Always a fascinating listen. Enjoy him whilst we have him.
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Post by gasify on Feb 3, 2023 17:43:13 GMT
I really enjoyed the interview. I find JB articulate, intelligent and passionate in his desire ensure that the club is sustainable. A glimpse into the challenges of running a club in the lower leagues of the EFL were fascinating. I will leave others to look for the hidden agendas and perceived contradictions. Great to have you on the forum Joe.
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Post by kruger on Feb 3, 2023 18:36:53 GMT
look the same 2 liking your posts every time, r u sure all 3 of you are not the same person? Pretty sure I've met 2 of them and they're definitely not the same person! Is it possible all the people who like Barton are all just one person too? yes
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Post by GeriatricGas on Feb 4, 2023 6:55:44 GMT
I really enjoyed the interview. I find JB articulate, intelligent and passionate in his desire ensure that the club is sustainable. A glimpse into the challenges of running a club in the lower leagues of the EFL were fascinating. I will leave others to look for the hidden agendas and perceived contradictions. Great to have you on the forum Joe. Made up to be here. See youz this avy. UTG.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 4, 2023 13:42:22 GMT
look the same 2 liking your posts every time, r u sure all 3 of you are not the same person? Regular support of kp and Sleepy. What's not to like? I find it hilarious the things people look at, even likes 😂. I used to argue a lot with Les on the old version of the other place but i now tend to agree with much he says plus he does not go for personal attacks, seems a like can be taken badly, here. That is so funny when you think about it, like targeting others without them even posting. It certainly made me realise truly how petty some can be but then, what does one expect from a forum ? It is the perfect place for that kind of thing
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Post by kruger on Feb 4, 2023 14:51:45 GMT
Regular support of kp and Sleepy. What's not to like? I find it hilarious the things people look at, even likes 😂. I used to argue a lot with Les on the old version of the other place but i now tend to agree with much he says plus he does not go for personal attacks, seems a like can be taken badly, here. That is so funny when you think about it, like targeting others without them even posting. It certainly made me realise truly how petty some can be but then, what does one expect from a forum ? It is the perfect place for that kind of thing like
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Post by oldie on Feb 4, 2023 19:23:41 GMT
I find it hilarious the things people look at, even likes 😂. I used to argue a lot with Les on the old version of the other place but i now tend to agree with much he says plus he does not go for personal attacks, seems a like can be taken badly, here. That is so funny when you think about it, like targeting others without them even posting. It certainly made me realise truly how petty some can be but then, what does one expect from a forum ? It is the perfect place for that kind of thing like Weak, as a minimum
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