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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 3, 2023 12:49:04 GMT
Right barrel of laughs on here again I see , fooking hell. When we are winning then none of this is an issue that gets discussed. Personally i welcome it but i understand many just want to go to a game and have no interest in longterm goals. As you get older, you just hope that there will be a club for younger generations to enjoy and that have the same rite of passage as you did. For me, being a rovers supporter was a huge part of my upbringing and brought me many moments of joy plus i made lifelong friendships. I do not even worry, too much, about stadium issues, not right now as i just hope we can make the club sustainable
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Feb 3, 2023 12:54:04 GMT
Haters gonna hate... yet Barton got us promotion in his first full season and we were talking play offs up until recently. Did pretty well at Fleetwood too. Has he actually had a bad season as a manager? Fleetwood was during COVID and on a PPG scale, they have been quote open about post JB stuff, if you read their forum and updates. JB basically gave up with a fair few games to go in the relegation season. I’d say that was poor but other have a different POV. I have changed my mind on a fair few things about him but i think it’s way too early to call him a success but we can hope it becomes a truth and factual. I doubt any of us have ill intent and wish the club to lose. We may have different opinions but we do want a successful club. Would you agree with that or not ?
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Post by DrFaustus on Feb 3, 2023 12:55:21 GMT
Haters gonna hate... yet Barton got us promotion in his first full season and we were talking play offs up until recently. Did pretty well at Fleetwood too. Has he actually had a bad season as a manager? Certainly not last season or this one either.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Feb 3, 2023 12:57:31 GMT
Haters gonna hate... yet Barton got us promotion in his first full season and we were talking play offs up until recently. Did pretty well at Fleetwood too. Has he actually had a bad season as a manager? Look, I back Barton as our manager and think he’s done a good job, but Clarke couldn’t get away with having a relegation on his CV for his 8 games so there’s no way Barton can with his 18 games, from which he took just 11 points. Given he was sacked in January that year at Fleetwood, that season must go down as a bad one!
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Post by gasmania on Feb 3, 2023 12:59:11 GMT
Wasn't it mentioned before about reintroducing the development squad program when we were able to expand the training ground? So we could have them train there, alongside the first team, and also play their matches at the training ground too?
Anyone know if there is any info on whether the expansion is still planned?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 3, 2023 13:05:10 GMT
I agree, which is why I think it's always a good idea having a director of football type of figure at a club with experience and knowledge of the game, who is independent from the manager, looking out for the best interests of the club as a whole. Isn’t the good colonel that, all but in title ? That’s how it comes across, to me From what i have been told the good "colonel" acts as a bouncer at meetings as well ......
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Feb 3, 2023 13:08:45 GMT
I agree, which is why I think it's always a good idea having a director of football type of figure at a club with experience and knowledge of the game, who is independent from the manager, looking out for the best interests of the club as a whole. Isn’t the good colonel that, all but in title ? That’s how it comes across, to me Not sure that the Colonel is involved in the football related decisions at the club. I think that's the role of the Enforcer, ooops, I mean Eddie!
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Post by mariobalotelli on Feb 3, 2023 13:11:19 GMT
Haters gonna hate... yet Barton got us promotion in his first full season and we were talking play offs up until recently. Did pretty well at Fleetwood too. Has he actually had a bad season as a manager? Look, I back Barton as our manager and think he’s done a good job, but Clarke couldn’t get away with having a relegation on his CV for his 8 games so there’s no way Barton can with his 18 games, from which he took just 11 points. Given he was sacked in January that year at Fleetwood, that season must go down as a bad one! I'd have accepted relegation that seaosn, but the manner in which we went down was totally pathetic. How we ended up 5 points adrift of Swindon was embarrassing.
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Post by pirate on Feb 3, 2023 13:12:23 GMT
I agree, which is why I think it's always a good idea having a director of football type of figure at a club with experience and knowledge of the game, who is independent from the manager, looking out for the best interests of the club as a whole. Isn’t the good colonel that, all but in title ? That’s how it comes across, to me He was a Barton appointment and worked with him at Fleetwood.
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Post by oldie on Feb 3, 2023 13:22:10 GMT
I don't know, but I would wager a bet with you, that given my age I have been actively supporting this club longer than you. But I wouldn't play that card as it indicates a lack of ability to argue a point, something you have just indicated so well. you're just a miserable person that has to moan about anything JB and in general it seems, I really don't care if you've been supporting them longer than me you probably have, just wish you'd come over that way, I've been going since 1979 by the way Not miserable at all to be frank. You learn to smell bullshit as you age don't you and in Barton's case it's quite a whiff (in my opinion of course). Since 1963, for the record. Not that it matters, it's not me who is challenging another fan's commitment, that would be you.
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Post by oldie on Feb 3, 2023 13:31:14 GMT
That he is calling for an under 23 squad which he oversaw the disbanding of as part of the management team in 2021. Does that sound coherent to you? It's not as straightforward as that is it and it's totally disengenius to suggest otherwise. We were relegated in 2021 and with relegation there is financial consequences. For example the L1 prize money and solidatiry payments total £1.35m. In L2 that drops to £902k. Thats a deficit of nearly £450k before you factor in any other commercial losses you may incur. So choices have to be made about where money is spent and a development squad will probably take up around £250-£300k in salary for management and coaching plus the commitment of the central league fixtures versus can that money be spent on the first team and having a right good go at promotion. When you look at the teams in L2, I think only 3 have U23 set ups anyway and likely there will be a geographical advantage to them having one as opposed to it being a neccessity for their business model. I do get that and take your figures on face value. But, given our current rate of financial losses, is it any more viable to have a U23 squad now than it was in 2021? Because if it's not, what is Barton talking about? Did he not say this past week that he is funding some non playing positions out of his own pocket? If that is true it makes his comments even more non sensical. That's my point.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2023 13:42:45 GMT
Right barrel of laughs on here again I see , fooking hell. When we are winning then none of this is an issue that gets discussed. Personally i welcome it but i understand many just want to go to a game and have no interest in longterm goals. As you get older, you just hope that there will be a club for younger generations to enjoy and that have the same rite of passage as you did. For me, being a rovers supporter was a huge part of my upbringing and brought me many moments of joy plus i made lifelong friendships. I do not even worry, too much, about stadium issues, not right now as i just hope we can make the club sustainable I don’t tend to come on here and post as much as I used to as this place really does get depressing at times. I love the club and always will but I tend to stay out of the politics of it all , as you said , I simply turn up on a match day watch the game and go home , I used to spend way too many years stressing about this club 😂
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 3, 2023 13:50:02 GMT
That he is calling for an under 23 squad which he oversaw the disbanding of as part of the management team in 2021. Does that sound coherent to you? It's not as straightforward as that is it and it's totally disengenius to suggest otherwise. We were relegated in 2021 and with relegation there is financial consequences. For example the L1 prize money and solidatiry payments total £1.35m. In L2 that drops to £902k. Thats a deficit of nearly £450k before you factor in any other commercial losses you may incur. So choices have to be made about where money is spent and a development squad will probably take up around £250-£300k in salary for management and coaching plus the commitment of the central league fixtures versus can that money be spent on the first team and having a right good go at promotion. When you look at the teams in L2, I think only 3 have U23 set ups anyway and likely there will be a geographical advantage to them having one as opposed to it being a neccessity for their business model. Yes, that sounds about right. JB did pull the plug in 2021 but the development squad didn’t seem to be working that well for a few years before. JB just confirmed what had been slowly happening. In the circumstances it was probably the right decision. Whatever as pirate has said it needs to be done properly if you want the youngsters to come through, and whilst we had a “squad” in place it was run on a very low budget. Istr several years ago (‘16, ‘17) the cost of the development squad being approx £220k. (Someone posted that from a set of accounts) Many said that represented good value until you realised no players were coming through the squad into the first team. Did Alfie come through it or did he come straight from the youth? Perhaps Michael Kelly? Can’t think of others but prepared to be corrected. UTG!
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 3, 2023 13:50:50 GMT
Look, I back Barton as our manager and think he’s done a good job, but Clarke couldn’t get away with having a relegation on his CV for his 8 games so there’s no way Barton can with his 18 games, from which he took just 11 points. Given he was sacked in January that year at Fleetwood, that season must go down as a bad one! I'd have accepted relegation that seaosn, but the manner in which we went down was totally pathetic. How we ended up 5 points adrift of Swindon was embarrassing. That's what happens when the 8 teams around you all strengthen their squads (Burton signed 11 players that Jan and had a change of manager in Dec) and the incumbant at the time spent 6 weeks chasing Jadyn Stockley who went to Charlton, signed a GK we half needed and a RB we didnt need who he managed 6 months before at MK Dons, when we were in desperate need of a CB, 2 strikers, 2 wingers and a CM. That is what cost us.
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 3, 2023 13:53:32 GMT
When we are winning then none of this is an issue that gets discussed. Personally i welcome it but i understand many just want to go to a game and have no interest in longterm goals. As you get older, you just hope that there will be a club for younger generations to enjoy and that have the same rite of passage as you did. For me, being a rovers supporter was a huge part of my upbringing and brought me many moments of joy plus i made lifelong friendships. I do not even worry, too much, about stadium issues, not right now as i just hope we can make the club sustainable I don’t tend to come on here and post as much as I used to as this place really does get depressing at times. I love the club and always will but I tend to stay out of the politics of it all , as you said , I simply turn up on a match day watch the game and go home , I used to spend way too many years stressing about this club 😂 Treat it like the telly okebourne. Some threads are drama, some more like Eastenders, and some are pure comedy. Best not to treat it too seriously. 😉 Hope all’s well with you.👍 UTG!
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Post by rememberhalifax on Feb 3, 2023 13:59:26 GMT
Right barrel of laughs on here again I see , fooking hell. When we are winning then none of this is an issue that gets discussed. Personally i welcome it but i understand many just want to go to a game and have no interest in longterm goals. As you get older, you just hope that there will be a club for younger generations to enjoy and that have the same rite of passage as you did. For me, being a rovers supporter was a huge part of my upbringing and brought me many moments of joy plus i made lifelong friendships. I do not even worry, too much, about stadium issues, not right now as i just hope we can make the club sustainable Well summed up Sir! when you take a look at the National league and lower you realise that while we are no where near the top table of the game (thank goodness) we are not a Bury, Scunthorpe (who by the way were perennial league 1 to 6 contenders a few short seasons ago) Torquay and so on, like you i am a lifer and we are roughly where we have been since i were a nipper! there have been highs and lows but our medium is where we are now.and IMHO that's ok(ish!!)
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 3, 2023 14:04:45 GMT
It's not as straightforward as that is it and it's totally disengenius to suggest otherwise. We were relegated in 2021 and with relegation there is financial consequences. For example the L1 prize money and solidatiry payments total £1.35m. In L2 that drops to £902k. Thats a deficit of nearly £450k before you factor in any other commercial losses you may incur. So choices have to be made about where money is spent and a development squad will probably take up around £250-£300k in salary for management and coaching plus the commitment of the central league fixtures versus can that money be spent on the first team and having a right good go at promotion. When you look at the teams in L2, I think only 3 have U23 set ups anyway and likely there will be a geographical advantage to them having one as opposed to it being a neccessity for their business model. I do get that and take your figures on face value. But, given our current rate of financial losses, is it any more viable to have a U23 squad now than it was in 2021? Because if it's not, what is Barton talking about? Did he not say this past week that he is funding some non playing positions out of his own pocket? If that is true it makes his comments even more non sensical. That's my point. Les, it’s no more viable now than back then from a financial point of view. But JB tends to say a lot of things when someone pushes a microphone in front of him. Some make sense and some don’t. I think the idea of a development squad from a football perspective is sensible but considering our losses not financially viable. He’s got his mate in charge of recruitment and we still struggled to get players in (no Tommy W to blame.) I have no idea of the reasons for that given JB said he had to rail Wael in from spending more! Perhaps, and just perhaps, JB does see this job as a much longer term venture than others think it is and that JB will be happy with consolidation this season. As he couldn’t get the players he wanted he decided to wait for the summer when he may find it easier. No idea, just speculation really. Had we won the last few matches it would never have come up as a topic but we haven’t so it did come up esp when some feel the window was “underwhelming”. UTG!
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Post by gashead1981 on Feb 3, 2023 14:05:38 GMT
It's not as straightforward as that is it and it's totally disengenius to suggest otherwise. We were relegated in 2021 and with relegation there is financial consequences. For example the L1 prize money and solidatiry payments total £1.35m. In L2 that drops to £902k. Thats a deficit of nearly £450k before you factor in any other commercial losses you may incur. So choices have to be made about where money is spent and a development squad will probably take up around £250-£300k in salary for management and coaching plus the commitment of the central league fixtures versus can that money be spent on the first team and having a right good go at promotion. When you look at the teams in L2, I think only 3 have U23 set ups anyway and likely there will be a geographical advantage to them having one as opposed to it being a neccessity for their business model. I do get that and take your figures on face value. But, given our current rate of financial losses, is it any more viable to have a U23 squad now than it was in 2021?Because if it's not, what is Barton talking about? Did he not say this past week that he is funding some non playing positions out of his own pocket? If that is true it makes his comments even more non sensical. That's my point. The figures I obtained were from the EFL website, so they are pretty real time accurate. Well the operating losses have been slashed to around £1.6m from £3.5m according to the latest accounts so if the owner was to sponsor just 0.5m of that loss saving on developing players that are good enough for promotion to the first team or to sell on then its worth looking at again and I think that is what JB is referring to. I'm not actually sure hes giving non playing staff a salary himself, probably more like taking a pay cut himself to make room in the budget for more staff, as he said before, he doesnt need the money.
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Post by stuart1974 on Feb 3, 2023 14:07:32 GMT
I don’t tend to come on here and post as much as I used to as this place really does get depressing at times. I love the club and always will but I tend to stay out of the politics of it all , as you said , I simply turn up on a match day watch the game and go home , I used to spend way too many years stressing about this club 😂 Treat it like the telly okebourne. Some threads are drama, some more like Eastenders, and some are pure comedy. Best not to treat it too seriously. 😉 Hope all’s well with you.👍 UTG! Some think it's an episode of The Traitors when in reality it's akin to Crossroads. 😃
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 3, 2023 14:10:46 GMT
Haters gonna hate... yet Barton got us promotion in his first full season and we were talking play offs up until recently. Did pretty well at Fleetwood too. Has he actually had a bad season as a manager? Fleetwood was during COVID and on a PPG scale, they have been quote open about post JB stuff, if you read their forum and updates. JB basically gave up with a fair few games to go in the relegation season. I’d say that was poor but other have a different POV. I have changed my mind on a fair few things about him but i think it’s way too early to call him a success but we can hope it becomes a truth and factual. I doubt any of us have ill intent and wish the club to lose. We may have different opinions but we do want a successful club. Would you agree with that or not ? I certainly wanted the club to lose. Now I don't really care either way.
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