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Post by Quarters on Mar 16, 2023 10:24:40 GMT
Is his record any better than DC's? Would say not and no one seems to be knocking on his door. Now he does not have the high footballing profile of JB but am not understand why some think JB will be looked at higher up the food chain. Is he really that good? DC 42.3% win rate, JB 39.8. Okay DC had a season in NL but as history shows most relegated clubs actually struggle in NL due to all the cuts etc they have to make. How many promotions for DC? 2 for us, 1 for Port Vale. Not counting the Salisbury ones.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 16, 2023 10:31:08 GMT
DC & JB have virtually identical records over the last two seasons, next season is the big one for both of them, as I'd imagine they both need to kick on and have their teams challenging for the top 10 or higher if they want to progress their own careers.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2023 10:37:19 GMT
I'm all for the honesty of Barton and have seen him as a positive, however he is starting to annoy me a bit now.... If it's not Thomas, it's McCormick.. if it's not him, it's the pitch... If it's not that it's Collins It's almost like he can never say he got it wrong (going to a back three) and it's due to something or someone else .. It's just getting like... Oh and again... I'm just having enough of it I think in fairness alot say he got it wrong. Whilst I usually get on with a better tone- Joey strikes me as someone that will take it back. He is far from the HR handbook but I haven't heard too many complaints about him from playing staff. Because they are scared they could be his next scapegoat, I’d suggest
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 16, 2023 11:23:57 GMT
I think in fairness alot say he got it wrong. Whilst I usually get on with a better tone- Joey strikes me as someone that will take it back. He is far from the HR handbook but I haven't heard too many complaints about him from playing staff. Because they are scared they could be his next scapegoat, I’d suggest probably the fear that keeps players resigning for him.harsh reality for some on here but the players in the majority like playing for him.
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Post by fanboy on Mar 16, 2023 11:37:08 GMT
Is his record any better than DC's? Would say not and no one seems to be knocking on his door. Now he does not have the high footballing profile of JB but am not understand why some think JB will be looked at higher up the food chain. Is he really that good? He is a very good manager. His style is different, as are all managers. Not sure why everyone has to keep taking things back to DC. He's a legend for what he achieved here, but he messed it up in his final season big time. Move on.
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Post by Quarters on Mar 16, 2023 12:02:51 GMT
Is his record any better than DC's? Would say not and no one seems to be knocking on his door. Now he does not have the high footballing profile of JB but am not understand why some think JB will be looked at higher up the food chain. Is he really that good? He is a very good manager. His style is different, as are all managers. Not sure why everyone has to keep taking things back to DC. He's a legend for what he achieved here, but he messed it up in his final season big time. Move on. Not looking back. It's an interesting comparison, maybe others around. It was as a reference to the fact some on here were suggesting JB is on the rise as a manager. Just wondering if he is as his record is not much better than DC.
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 16, 2023 12:13:12 GMT
I appreciate his honesty, it would be easy to sit on the fence and try not to upset anyone. Football is a game of fine margins, a loss can usually be attributed to one or two pivotal moments during a game …generally he is spot on. Teams at the top usually find a way to win no matter what, because they are simply better. We have to accept this. The way to get to the top is grow or buy better players $$$$$, mould them into an effective team and hope they perform consistently. Then you don’t need to answer the question “ what went wrong this week Joe ?” I do as well, on most occasions. But the PL is not renowned for its honesty. You have players feigning injury, players diving, pundits refusing to condemn cheating, managers refusing to do the the same all of which has now filtered down. I don’t honestly think JB would have survived if he’d said what he has said here. So much in that league has been given an importance more than it is and is reported world-wide. UTG!
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Post by rememberhalifax on Mar 16, 2023 12:30:38 GMT
As one or two have alluded to, JB and DC are on very similar journeys, albeit with differing styles, JB has taken a team to tier 3 play offs , DC almost got us there , neither were able to take it any further, DC running out of ideas with us, JB still 'experimenting' searching for the missing pieces. This season Vale and Rovers have been on similar journeys, flirting with play offs before going on similar dismal runs. Doubts remain whether either can take a club to the next level.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2023 13:05:49 GMT
Because they are scared they could be his next scapegoat, I’d suggest probably the fear that keeps players resigning for him.harsh reality for some on here but the players in the majority like playing for him. I am not disputing that but, as the season goes on i am finding it even harder to listen to the excuses. For instance, i am a creature of mood but i do nit take that out of those i wish to motivate and do better. Even the most optimistic of posters have questioned JB’s ways of placing blame at certain players. I would suggest that it works with certain types but not with all, personally i thunk those sort of comments should stay private but that is just my opinion. I remember being held back, at sales meeting, as a junior rep and then having chunks torn out of me. Those kind of comments had the opposite effect in me. I do have to wonder what repercussions we will have from Thomas’s hasty departure, next season will give us the answers t that. My own view is that i believe JB has seen the limitations of managing Bristol Rovers and i would not be, one bit, surprised if we start with a new manager. I can only go on what is being reported and his post match rants and , to me, he seems to be becoming more frustrated with each game. Surely he knew, full well, that the pitch has has a stream under it for years. How can getting angry at that and blaming anyone be a good thing, nothing can be done until seasons end anyway. It’s a bizarre read, at whichever angel you take it at. We have had awards for our pitch, how can he say what he has said when he will be aware that there are problems and they are likely to go on, until we find a better place to play
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2023 13:09:21 GMT
As one or two have alluded to, JB and DC are on very similar journeys, albeit with differing styles, JB has taken a team to tier 3 play offs , DC almost got us there , neither were able to take it any further, DC running out of ideas with us, JB still 'experimenting' searching for the missing pieces. This season Vale and Rovers have been on similar journeys, flirting with play offs before going on similar dismal runs. Doubts remain whether either can take a club to the next level. Sorry for being ignorant here but what teams did JB take to 3 play of places please ? DC got us promoted, back to back. I don’t see how any comparisons can be made until JB has, at the least, done the same
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Post by Gashead73 on Mar 16, 2023 13:14:08 GMT
As one or two have alluded to, JB and DC are on very similar journeys, albeit with differing styles, JB has taken a team to tier 3 play offs , DC almost got us there , neither were able to take it any further, DC running out of ideas with us, JB still 'experimenting' searching for the missing pieces. This season Vale and Rovers have been on similar journeys, flirting with play offs before going on similar dismal runs. Doubts remain whether either can take a club to the next level. Sorry for being ignorant here but what teams did JB take to 3 play of places please ? DC got us promoted, back to back. I don’t see how any comparisons can be made until JB has, at the least, done the same Fleetwood Town mate
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2023 13:15:26 GMT
Sorry for being ignorant here but what teams did JB take to 3 play of places please ? DC got us promoted, back to back. I don’t see how any comparisons can be made until JB has, at the least, done the same Fleetwood Town mate Did not realise it was 3 times. Thanks Mart
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Post by yattongas on Mar 16, 2023 13:18:36 GMT
DC & JB have virtually identical records over the last two seasons, next season is the big one for both of them, as I'd imagine they both need to kick on and have their teams challenging for the top 10 or higher if they want to progress their own careers. Second season after promotion is often harder it would seem .
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Post by meadgas on Mar 16, 2023 13:19:20 GMT
As one or two have alluded to, JB and DC are on very similar journeys, albeit with differing styles, JB has taken a team to tier 3 play offs , DC almost got us there , neither were able to take it any further, DC running out of ideas with us, JB still 'experimenting' searching for the missing pieces. This season Vale and Rovers have been on similar journeys, flirting with play offs before going on similar dismal runs. Doubts remain whether either can take a club to the next level. Sorry for being ignorant here but what teams did JB take to 3 play of places please ? DC got us promoted, back to back. I don’t see how any comparisons can be made until JB has, at the least, done the same Read it again he says he took a team, Fleetwood, to the tier three playoffs. That is more than DC has ever done, who by the way i wish every success too, except when playing us.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Mar 16, 2023 13:30:07 GMT
Sorry for being ignorant here but what teams did JB take to 3 play of places please ? DC got us promoted, back to back. I don’t see how any comparisons can be made until JB has, at the least, done the same Read it again he says he took a team, Fleetwood, to the tier three playoffs. That is more than DC has ever done, who by the way i wish every success too, except when playing us. My apologies, really not well today. Must learn to read, fully, before posting a reply,,sorry again mate
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Post by meadgas on Mar 16, 2023 14:46:05 GMT
Read it again he says he took a team, Fleetwood, to the tier three playoffs. That is more than DC has ever done, who by the way i wish every success too, except when playing us. My apologies, really not well today. Must learn to read, fully, before posting a reply,,sorry again mate No need for an apology KP, we all misread stuff at times. Hope you're feeling better soon mate.
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Post by pilninggas on Mar 16, 2023 17:46:15 GMT
What boils my water about Barton moaning about the pitch, is that he shook the hands of a few of the groundsmen as he walked over on Tuesday. It's embarrassing and unprofessional on his part to shake their hands and 90 minutes later bitch about the job they are doing.
My attitude towards him as become more positive over time [the promo helped], but he needs to knock the petty scapegoating on the head though. Really harks to the petulance I associate with him as a player.
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Post by gashead1981 on Mar 16, 2023 20:01:45 GMT
I had a convo with the groundsman right at the start of the season and he was concerned then about it.
He said one of the main issues we had was the super hot period of sun in the summer didn’t help it root and there was an epidemic of a certain cretin that was eating what root there was.
I remember seeing something from him on Twitter about it a few weeks later and a fair few other groundsman commenting they had the same issue.
The Mem pitch drainage has always been a ball ache but I thought we had sorted that the year the UWE went pop, unless something has collapsed, which is what JB is referring to.
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Post by eric on Mar 16, 2023 21:00:24 GMT
I had a convo with the groundsman right at the start of the season and he was concerned then about it. He said one of the main issues we had was the super hot period of sun in the summer didn’t help it root and there was an epidemic of a certain cretin that was eating what root there was. I remember seeing something from him on Twitter about it a few weeks later and a fair few other groundsman commenting they had the same issue. The Mem pitch drainage has always been a ball ache but I thought we had sorted that the year the UWE went pop, unless something has collapsed, which is what JB is referring to. Leatherjackets? Horrible little bar stewards. The golf course I play at had a similar problem a few years ago, unfortunately the chemicals that groundsmen used to use to quickly solve the problem has been banned by the ecomentalists!
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Post by Gasshole on Mar 16, 2023 22:00:22 GMT
I had a convo with the groundsman right at the start of the season and he was concerned then about it. He said one of the main issues we had was the super hot period of sun in the summer didn’t help it root and there was an epidemic of a certain cretin that was eating what root there was. I remember seeing something from him on Twitter about it a few weeks later and a fair few other groundsman commenting they had the same issue. The Mem pitch drainage has always been a ball ache but I thought we had sorted that the year the UWE went pop, unless something has collapsed, which is what JB is referring to. Could be someone from the Forum trying to scupper JB
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