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Post by Goose on Mar 15, 2023 16:37:59 GMT
I'm all for the honesty of Barton and have seen him as a positive, however he is starting to annoy me a bit now....
If it's not Thomas, it's McCormick.. if it's not him, it's the pitch... If it's not that it's Collins
It's almost like he can never say he got it wrong (going to a back three) and it's due to something or someone else ..
It's just getting like... Oh and again...
I'm just having enough of it
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Post by pucklegas on Mar 15, 2023 16:55:23 GMT
I'm all for the honesty of Barton and have seen him as a positive, however he is starting to annoy me a bit now.... If it's not Thomas, it's McCormick.. if it's not him, it's the pitch... If it's not that it's Collins It's almost like he can never say he got it wrong (going to a back three) and it's due to something or someone else .. It's just getting like... Oh and again... I'm just having enough of it What annoys me is the above plus saying perhaps he is not the right coach for us if that is the state of the pitch, ffs those groundsmen work their socks off, and have consistently produced great pitches. The problems are due to drainage, a bust pipe allegedly, but we have had snow on it too, it's not been easy for the them, Joey's getting a bit too big for his Dr Martins. 😂🏴☠️ |
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Post by kampucheagas on Mar 15, 2023 17:08:53 GMT
I often contemplate whether the guy is destined to manage at the very top
On the one hand he is good at spotting young talent and giving them a chance
On the other he seems to make the same mistakes. He could claim that todays game requires flexibility in formation changes but he takes it to the extreme!! League one is a pretty ruthless division and in my mind you need to be well drilled and organised. All this chopping and changing helps no one
He certainly talks a good game, I think the proof will be next season. No excuses now, his players, his coaching. Hopefully he will have learnt what’s needed from the disastrous spells where we got bullied by the big ugly teams. It’s all very well playing free flowing footy but you need to be able to mix it up in this league
He’s impressed me with staying (mostly) out of trouble, for this was what I feared would be his downfall. Just needs to focus on getting the right defensive shape because I don’t doubt his ability to find forward thinking players
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Mar 15, 2023 18:05:12 GMT
Don't know why anyone would be getting a bit fed up....?
Get with the agenda - the pitch only affects us, not the opposition - obviously!?
Have a word ...
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 15, 2023 18:30:39 GMT
I often contemplate whether the guy is destined to manage at the very topOn the one hand he is good at spotting young talent and giving them a chance On the other he seems to make the same mistakes. He could claim that todays game requires flexibility in formation changes but he takes it to the extreme!! League one is a pretty ruthless division and in my mind you need to be well drilled and organised. All this chopping and changing helps no one He certainly talks a good game, I think the proof will be next season. No excuses now, his players, his coaching. Hopefully he will have learnt what’s needed from the disastrous spells where we got bullied by the big ugly teams. It’s all very well playing free flowing footy but you need to be able to mix it up in this league He’s impressed me with staying (mostly) out of trouble, for this was what I feared would be his downfall. Just needs to focus on getting the right defensive shape because I don’t doubt his ability to find forward thinking players UTG UTBarton Seriously, do you really think JB will manage at ‘the very top?’ No PL would ever appoint him to manage them. I agree with much of the remainder of your post but JB will not manage in the PL. The clubs/owners wouldn’t dare risk their club with JB. They have too much invested with corporate firms to risk their assets on what JB might say or do. It will not happen. Speak to any fans associated with PL clubs and they would laugh at the thought of such a loose cannon being in charge of their club. Nowadays there’s just too much involved in the big clubs to risk the bad publicity that we have faced on numerous occasions over the past two years. BRFC can just about get away with reputational damage, PL clubs wouldn’t tolerate it and wouldn’t get away with such damage. Chairmen who are often representing the owners may not be making the decisions and owners wouldn’t tolerate his behaviour. Ryan Giggs did a decent job at Man U and Wales and has never been found guilty of anything but has not recovered from the reputational damage in the accusations he is still facing. It’s why JB likes Wael so much, imo, he knows Wael has been incredibly supportive when others wouldn’t have been. JB knows his success is linked closely to our success. UTG! edit: And that is all without the fallout we intermittently get with players who he calls out. I’ve no major problem with him doing it where deserved but I bet trying to do it with internationals or players on £20k+ at least is a lot less easier. And where we see managers have problems with players, it’s always the manager who goes. Ten Haag and Ronaldo is the exception to the rule, imo. |
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Post by meadgas on Mar 15, 2023 18:36:27 GMT
I often contemplate whether the guy is destined to manage at the very topOn the one hand he is good at spotting young talent and giving them a chance On the other he seems to make the same mistakes. He could claim that todays game requires flexibility in formation changes but he takes it to the extreme!! League one is a pretty ruthless division and in my mind you need to be well drilled and organised. All this chopping and changing helps no one He certainly talks a good game, I think the proof will be next season. No excuses now, his players, his coaching. Hopefully he will have learnt what’s needed from the disastrous spells where we got bullied by the big ugly teams. It’s all very well playing free flowing footy but you need to be able to mix it up in this league He’s impressed me with staying (mostly) out of trouble, for this was what I feared would be his downfall. Just needs to focus on getting the right defensive shape because I don’t doubt his ability to find forward thinking players UTG UTBarton Seriously, do you really think JB will manage at ‘the very top?’ No PL would ever appoint him to manage them. I agree with much of the remainder of your post but JB will not manage in the PL. The clubs/owners wouldn’t dare risk their club with JB. They have too much invested with corporate firms to risk their assets on what JB might say or do. It will not happen. Speak to any fans associated with PL clubs and they would laugh at the thought of such a loose cannon being in charge of their club. Nowadays there’s just too much involved in the big clubs to risk the bad publicity that we have faced on numerous occasions over the past two years. BRFC can just about get away with reputational damage, PL clubs wouldn’t tolerate it and wouldn’t get away with such damage. Chairmen who are often representing the owners may not be making the decisions and owners wouldn’t tolerate his behaviour. Ryan Giggs did a decent job at Man U and Wales and has never been found guilty of anything but has not recovered from the reputational damage in the accusations he is still facing. It’s why JB likes Wael so much, imo, he knows Wael has been incredibly supportive when others wouldn’t have been. JB knows his success is linked closely to our success. UTG! He could if he got a team promoted to the top flight, not saying he will but you never know. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Mar 15, 2023 18:37:15 GMT
Chin up! always look on the bright side of life and all that !
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Post by kampucheagas on Mar 15, 2023 20:54:30 GMT
If someone said it takes him 5 years but he does finally take us up in 2028, would you take that scenario??
I think he sees us as his big chance to prove to himself that he should be taken seriously. We are a free hit. But he has to build over time, and I can see him being at the club for a good while. Why not? If he is producing good football and giving us progress that we can get on board with…
Maybe a right club at the right time
I do however believe that if he does a remarkable job and proves to be a success here, a lower placed basket case like Everton may well appeal….
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 20:59:04 GMT
If someone said it takes him 5 years but he does finally take us up in 2028, would you take that scenario?? I think he sees us as his big chance to prove to himself that he should be taken seriously. We are a free hit. But he has to build over time, and I can see him being at the club for a good while. Why not? If he is producing good football and giving us progress that we can get on board with… Maybe a right club at the right time I do however believe that if he does a remarkable job and proves to be a success here, a lower placed basket case like Everton may well appeal…. UTG Without a new stadium (sorry to mention it) I think it’s incredibly difficult for us to build a squad that’ll grow into a promotion standard squad. Our best players will always be picked off and sold on whilst some of the fees are kept to help lower the losses. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Mar 15, 2023 21:17:46 GMT
If someone said it takes him 5 years but he does finally take us up in 2028, would you take that scenario?? I think he sees us as his big chance to prove to himself that he should be taken seriously. We are a free hit. But he has to build over time, and I can see him being at the club for a good while. Why not? If he is producing good football and giving us progress that we can get on board with… Maybe a right club at the right time I do however believe that if he does a remarkable job and proves to be a success here, a lower placed basket case like Everton may well appeal…. UTG Without a new stadium (sorry to mention it) I think it’s incredibly difficult for us to build a squad that’ll grow into a promotion standard squad. Our best players will always be picked off and sold on whilst some of the fees are kept to help lower the losses. I don’t think you need to be anything too special or be a big club to get out of league 1 Look at Wycombe The difficult bit would be staying there. Championship is a really really competitive division. Plenty of teams are doing well, and clubs like Luton aren’t getting much bigger crowds Don’t get me wrong, we need a new stadium, but I don’t think it’s the only thing stopping us being successful UTG |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 15, 2023 21:27:30 GMT
If someone said it takes him 5 years but he does finally take us up in 2028, would you take that scenario?? I think he sees us as his big chance to prove to himself that he should be taken seriously. We are a free hit. But he has to build over time, and I can see him being at the club for a good while. Why not? If he is producing good football and giving us progress that we can get on board with… Maybe a right club at the right time I do however believe that if he does a remarkable job and proves to be a success here, a lower placed basket case like Everton may well appeal…. UTG So do you think JB will manage in the PL? Seriously. We won’t be there by 2028 due to the ground plus a few hundred other things. The rest of your post I more or less said in my earlier post, and I’d suggest that atm we are his right club at the right time. When I said ‘other PL clubs’ I was including Everton. Despite his Everton links not greatly popular with Evertonians. Blimey, they have enough problems atm without worrying about what JB is going to say after another defeat! They know he’d start another war when it was the Merseyside derby. 😉 (Sorry that’s a bit hard but you get my drift?) UTG! |
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Post by kampucheagas on Mar 15, 2023 21:43:01 GMT
If someone said it takes him 5 years but he does finally take us up in 2028, would you take that scenario?? I think he sees us as his big chance to prove to himself that he should be taken seriously. We are a free hit. But he has to build over time, and I can see him being at the club for a good while. Why not? If he is producing good football and giving us progress that we can get on board with… Maybe a right club at the right time I do however believe that if he does a remarkable job and proves to be a success here, a lower placed basket case like Everton may well appeal…. UTG So do you think JB will manage in the PL? Seriously. We won’t be there by 2028 due to the ground plus a few hundred other things. The rest of your post I more or less said in my earlier post, and I’d suggest that atm we are his right club at the right time. When I said ‘other PL clubs’ I was including Everton. Despite his Everton links not greatly popular with Evertonians. Blimey, they have enough problems atm without worrying about what JB is going to say after another defeat! They know he’d start another war when it was the Merseyside derby. 😉 (Sorry that’s a bit hard but you get my drift?) UTG! I’ve got no idea if he’s going to manage in the top flight, but you would have to imagine that JB wants that to happen? Strikes me as someone with massive ambition. Maybe we are his best hope of achieving that dream!! UTG |
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Post by aghast on Mar 15, 2023 21:49:57 GMT
So do you think JB will manage in the PL? Seriously. We won’t be there by 2028 due to the ground plus a few hundred other things. The rest of your post I more or less said in my earlier post, and I’d suggest that atm we are his right club at the right time. When I said ‘other PL clubs’ I was including Everton. Despite his Everton links not greatly popular with Evertonians. Blimey, they have enough problems atm without worrying about what JB is going to say after another defeat! They know he’d start another war when it was the Merseyside derby. 😉 (Sorry that’s a bit hard but you get my drift?) UTG! I’ve got no idea if he’s going to manage in the top flight, but you would have to imagine that JB wants that to happen? Strikes me as someone with massive ambition. Maybe we are his best hope of achieving that dream!! UTG  |
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Post by horfield on Mar 15, 2023 21:59:14 GMT
We are his only chance, no other club would go near him, he's unemployable and actually not very good at that job as manager.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Mar 15, 2023 22:07:33 GMT
If someone said it takes him 5 years but he does finally take us up in 2028, would you take that scenario?? I think he sees us as his big chance to prove to himself that he should be taken seriously. We are a free hit. But he has to build over time, and I can see him being at the club for a good while. Why not? If he is producing good football and giving us progress that we can get on board with… Maybe a right club at the right time I do however believe that if he does a remarkable job and proves to be a success here, a lower placed basket case like Everton may well appeal…. UTG So do you think JB will manage in the PL? Seriously. We won’t be there by 2028 due to the ground plus a few hundred other things. The rest of your post I more or less said in my earlier post, and I’d suggest that atm we are his right club at the right time. When I said ‘other PL clubs’ I was including Everton. Despite his Everton links not greatly popular with Evertonians. Blimey, they have enough problems atm without worrying about what JB is going to say after another defeat! They know he’d start another war when it was the Merseyside derby. 😉 (Sorry that’s a bit hard but you get my drift?) UTG! He's only 40. If he keeps dark side under control, and does well in management, I could see one of the smaller Premier League clubs taking a punt at some point. 10 of the current PL managers are in their 50's, so time is on his side - it depends how the deck falls. |
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Post by madgas on Mar 15, 2023 22:59:50 GMT
I'm all for the honesty of Barton and have seen him as a positive, however he is starting to annoy me a bit now.... If it's not Thomas, it's McCormick.. if it's not him, it's the pitch... If it's not that it's Collins It's almost like he can never say he got it wrong (going to a back three) and it's due to something or someone else .. It's just getting like... Oh and again... I'm just having enough of it I think in fairness alot say he got it wrong. Whilst I usually get on with a better tone- Joey strikes me as someone that will take it back. He is far from the HR handbook but I haven't heard too many complaints about him from playing staff. |
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Post by Gasshole on Mar 16, 2023 6:25:39 GMT
I appreciate his honesty, it would be easy to sit on the fence and try not to upset anyone.
Football is a game of fine margins, a loss can usually be attributed to one or two pivotal moments during a game …generally he is spot on.
Teams at the top usually find a way to win no matter what, because they are simply better. We have to accept this.
The way to get to the top is grow or buy better players $$$$$, mould them into an effective team and hope they perform consistently. Then you don’t need to answer the question “ what went wrong this week Joe ?”
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 9:02:59 GMT
I'm all for the honesty of Barton and have seen him as a positive, however he is starting to annoy me a bit now.... If it's not Thomas, it's McCormick.. if it's not him, it's the pitch... If it's not that it's Collins It's almost like he can never say he got it wrong (going to a back three) and it's due to something or someone else .. It's just getting like... Oh and again... I'm just having enough of it Unfortunately a narcissist never takes responsibility. I was married to one for a decade, the most miserable, frustrating and demoralising decade in over 50 years. Not so easy to divorce a football club and it's manager who never contributes to a defeat. |
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Post by Quarters on Mar 16, 2023 9:09:30 GMT
Is his record any better than DC's?
Would say not and no one seems to be knocking on his door. Now he does not have the high footballing profile of JB but am not understand why some think JB will be looked at higher up the food chain.
Is he really that good?
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Post by mariobalotelli on Mar 16, 2023 9:58:13 GMT
Is his record any better than DC's? Would say not and no one seems to be knocking on his door. Now he does not have the high footballing profile of JB but am not understand why some think JB will be looked at higher up the food chain. Is he really that good? DC 42.3% win rate, JB 39.8. Okay DC had a season in NL but as history shows most relegated clubs actually struggle in NL due to all the cuts etc they have to make. |
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